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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 21:10:35 GMT -5
So she was watching Jack at the time.. Huh. She's making things right with her momma. I wonder if she knows Jack is "Tom's" son. "I wanna come home" "Death of the Hired Man" So he wasn't awake: I guess she ran him out instead of shooting him. Oh. She couldn't kill him in cold blood. Growth. Even as evil as he was, it still says something for her that she can't do it. Michael is gonna do it?!?! "Cause that's what They'd do" is about the worst reason on earth to do it, Michael. 18, 1, 31. Huh. He IS an Other, now. They DID send back his evil twin And there goes Libby. Well, I guess that takes care of getting them off the show for the other reasons that recently made the news. Both at once. And he just shot himself. Ah. Make it look like he was attacked by Henry, and HENRY killed Ana Lucia and Libby for the actors violating their morals clauses. *grumbles* Matthew - what are you referring to? What recently made the news?
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Post by Lola m on May 3, 2006 21:10:37 GMT -5
Michael is now one of the Others. Are the Others holding Walt and using that to control Michael, because that was just too unbelieveable. I had a feeling as soon as Ana Lucia changed her mind about killing Henry that she was going to die soon. Seems like the one's who end up dying are the ones who have some sort of epiphany. Didn't think it would be quite that soon, tho. It's like instant Karma. Karma in a can. Just add water Karma.
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Post by Lola m on May 3, 2006 21:12:18 GMT -5
Holy hell, Michael!!!!!!!!!!! Damn. I sooooo did not see that one coming. WTF??! ?! ?! Libby too? Is he nuts or brainwashed/has joined the Others or something? Or did he shoot Ana 'cuz he wants Henry to take him to Walt? Woah. Like woah. Shot himself . . . . so Henry would take the blame? Or because . . . ? Woah. What's with the scenes from next week? Does Michael have Walt's incredible powers too? Dude! Dude! Hurley is not going to take Libby's death very well. Oh, yeah, definitely not. Man! You really really should not take a girl on a romantic beach trip on this island.
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Post by Sara on May 3, 2006 21:13:09 GMT -5
Okay. This is a must-read from Michael Ausellio regarding what we just saw:
Before we get to the shocking events of last night's Lost, I have a confession to make: I've known for weeks that Michelle Rodriguez was leaving the show and I said nothing about it in Ask Ausiello. No hints. No spoilers. Not even an asterisk quiz. And you're probably wondering why. Well, it's simple: I knew Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse wanted Ana Lucia's death to be a big surprise to viewers and I wasn't going to be the one to ruin that for them — or you. Plus, I knew if I kept my big trap shut, I'd stand a better chance of getting them to spill the beans about the shocking plot twist before it happened, and then be able to post it to my blog the moment the episode was over. All in all, I think it was a pretty fair trade-off. Oh, and you're probably wondering about the fate of Cynthia Watros' Libby since she too was gunned down by Michael last night. I'll have the full story on that next week. But first, let's get to the bottom of M.Ro's ouster.
Ausiello: Was it always your intention to use Ana Lucia as a one-season character? Damon Lindelof: A lot of this is going to sound like spin, so all we can give you is our word that this is exactly what happened. Around late February of last year, we started throwing our respective lines in the water to find the leader of the tail section, who we knew was going to be a Latina woman and who would be conceived as a romantic foil for Jack. We wanted her to be in her mid-thirties and be a detective from the LAPD. So we started putting out feelers unofficially because we wanted her to show up in the penultimate episode of last year. That way, when we started our plan for Season 2, it wouldn't feel like we had pulled her out of our asses. So, right around that time… Carlton: I got a call from Michelle's agent saying, "Would you guys be interested in Michelle Rodriguez? But she's really only interested in being on the show for a year." Damon: So we basically said, "A year is not necessarily ideal for us, but let's bring in Michelle and have the meeting." And she came in and met with Carlton and I and then, in the last 15 minutes, J.J. [Abrams] happened to be across the way doing some Alias stuff and he came over and sat down with her and we just hung out with her and chatted. It turned out that she worked in Hawaii on Blue Crush and knew a lot of people down there. But she made it very clear in that meeting that she's sort of a nomadic spirit and she did not want to commit to doing any more than [one season]. She wanted to do one kickass arc, as she described it, and we basically started to wrap our brains around her energy and say, "Yeah, we'll bring you on the show and then we'll kill you off at the end of the year." And she was totally cool with it and we were totally cool with it, and we parted ways and talked amongst ourselves. Obviously, the network and the studio normally don't want to get into a situation where they're not making multiyear deals, but we assured them that this was in fact the plan, and that even if Michelle was a rocking sensation on the show, we were going to stick to the plan. So they signed off on it and made the deal accordingly.
Ausiello: And then the DUI… Carlton: Then she got this DUI and Damon and I looked at each other and we were like, "Oh, great. Everybody is going to think we're killing her off because she got a DUI." But there really wasn't anything we could do about that. I mean, the story was set. We had made plans. With Lost, we think it out well ahead of when we actually shoot it. We thought about altering our plan, but [this] was in fact what was best for the show. The fact that she got a DUI would come and go and what would live on would be the show, and our plan was still the best plan for the character. Ironically, we actually thought about changing it the other way around once [the DUI] happened, but it really was the best story. We wanted to tell the best story. Damon: And obviously that decision was further mitigated by the fact that Libby is shot at the same time as Ana Lucia. Basically then we said, "Oh, s--t. Both Michelle and Cynthia were busted the same night for DUI and we've got this story point coming up where they essentially both get shot at the same time, so it's going to look like this is the Lost producers attempt to say, 'Don't drive drunk!'" But as Carlton says, all it created in us was [the thought that], "Maybe we shouldn't do the plan now, 'cause people are going to think this is a reaction to [the DUIs], as opposed to this [plan] existing prior to that event." Carlton: As you'll see, everything that happens for the rest of the season all sort of falls from this event. And we're not doing ourselves or the fans of the show or the show itself any service by altering those plans because of Michelle's extracurricular activities. Damon: Not to mention that we didn't even know if that option would be available to us. We were still functioning under the auspices of that meeting, which was Michelle saying, "I want to do a year and then move on."
Ausiello: Did you meet with Michelle to make sure everyone was still on the same page? Damon: Michelle happened to be [in Los Angeles] and she came by to see us. We basically said to her, "So we’re going to stay on course." And at that point, Michelle was kinda like, "Hey, I'm living in Hawaii…." She might have been able to wrap her brain around [staying] a little bit longer on the show, but she did not say, "I want to stay on the show!" She was basically like, "Yeah. That's a good plan." Carlton: And once we told her what was happening, she was incredibly supportive. She thought it was sort of a kickass way to go, and she got very on board with the idea of how she was going to be exiting the show.
Ausiello: Rumors has it she was a hard-ass on the set and everyone hated her. Care to set the record straight? Damon: We're not in Hawaii on the set so all we can speak to is our working relationship with Michelle and what we have heard from the other actors and directors on the show, and we never heard anything remotely resembling that she was a hard-ass. You know, she's Michelle. She's got a very playful spirit. But she's totally professional and got along well with all the other actors. We get calls over the course of our career about difficult actors. We did not get those calls about Michelle.
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Post by rich on May 3, 2006 21:15:06 GMT -5
May I repeat - OH! DEAR GOD!! This is unbelievable! This is like . . . just . . . . like . . . OMG! This just does not compute. Annoying is what it is. They may have just taken me out of the story with this stunt. I'm going to have to think about whether I want to continue to play.
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Post by Sara on May 3, 2006 21:16:53 GMT -5
You upgraded from Holy Shit! Don't you think the circumstances warranted it?
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Post by Karen on May 3, 2006 21:18:08 GMT -5
Dude! Hurley is not going to take Libby's death very well. Oh, yeah, definitely not. Man! You really really should not take a girl on a romantic beach trip on this island. Oh, no shit! We shoulda guessed the baddy bad was going to happen as soon as Shannon's name was mentioned. Where was Vincent, the real grim reaper of the island tonight?
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Post by Matthew on May 3, 2006 21:20:25 GMT -5
Okay. This is a must-read from Michael Ausellio regarding what we just saw: Before we get to the shocking events of last night's Lost, I have a confession to make: I've known for weeks that Michelle Rodriguez was leaving the show and I said nothing about it in Ask Ausiello. No hints. No spoilers. Not even an asterisk quiz. And you're probably wondering why. Well, it's simple: I knew Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse wanted Ana Lucia's death to be a big surprise to viewers and I wasn't going to be the one to ruin that for them — or you. Plus, I knew if I kept my big trap shut, I'd stand a better chance of getting them to spill the beans about the shocking plot twist before it happened, and then be able to post it to my blog the moment the episode was over. All in all, I think it was a pretty fair trade-off. Oh, and you're probably wondering about the fate of Cynthia Watros' Libby since she too was gunned down by Michael last night. I'll have the full story on that next week. But first, let's get to the bottom of M.Ro's ouster.
Ausiello: Was it always your intention to use Ana Lucia as a one-season character? Damon Lindelof: A lot of this is going to sound like spin, so all we can give you is our word that this is exactly what happened. Around late February of last year, we started throwing our respective lines in the water to find the leader of the tail section, who we knew was going to be a Latina woman and who would be conceived as a romantic foil for Jack. We wanted her to be in her mid-thirties and be a detective from the LAPD. So we started putting out feelers unofficially because we wanted her to show up in the penultimate episode of last year. That way, when we started our plan for Season 2, it wouldn't feel like we had pulled her out of our asses. So, right around that time… Carlton: I got a call from Michelle's agent saying, "Would you guys be interested in Michelle Rodriguez? But she's really only interested in being on the show for a year." Damon: So we basically said, "A year is not necessarily ideal for us, but let's bring in Michelle and have the meeting." And she came in and met with Carlton and I and then, in the last 15 minutes, J.J. [Abrams] happened to be across the way doing some Alias stuff and he came over and sat down with her and we just hung out with her and chatted. It turned out that she worked in Hawaii on Blue Crush and knew a lot of people down there. But she made it very clear in that meeting that she's sort of a nomadic spirit and she did not want to commit to doing any more than [one season]. She wanted to do one kickass arc, as she described it, and we basically started to wrap our brains around her energy and say, "Yeah, we'll bring you on the show and then we'll kill you off at the end of the year." And she was totally cool with it and we were totally cool with it, and we parted ways and talked amongst ourselves. Obviously, the network and the studio normally don't want to get into a situation where they're not making multiyear deals, but we assured them that this was in fact the plan, and that even if Michelle was a rocking sensation on the show, we were going to stick to the plan. So they signed off on it and made the deal accordingly.
Ausiello: And then the DUI… Carlton: Then she got this DUI and Damon and I looked at each other and we were like, "Oh, great. Everybody is going to think we're killing her off because she got a DUI." But there really wasn't anything we could do about that. I mean, the story was set. We had made plans. With Lost, we think it out well ahead of when we actually shoot it. We thought about altering our plan, but [this] was in fact what was best for the show. The fact that she got a DUI would come and go and what would live on would be the show, and our plan was still the best plan for the character. Ironically, we actually thought about changing it the other way around once [the DUI] happened, but it really was the best story. We wanted to tell the best story. Damon: And obviously that decision was further mitigated by the fact that Libby is shot at the same time as Ana Lucia. Basically then we said, "Oh, s--t. Both Michelle and Cynthia were busted the same night for DUI and we've got this story point coming up where they essentially both get shot at the same time, so it's going to look like this is the Lost producers attempt to say, 'Don't drive drunk!'" But as Carlton says, all it created in us was [the thought that], "Maybe we shouldn't do the plan now, 'cause people are going to think this is a reaction to [the DUIs], as opposed to this [plan] existing prior to that event." Carlton: As you'll see, everything that happens for the rest of the season all sort of falls from this event. And we're not doing ourselves or the fans of the show or the show itself any service by altering those plans because of Michelle's extracurricular activities. Damon: Not to mention that we didn't even know if that option would be available to us. We were still functioning under the auspices of that meeting, which was Michelle saying, "I want to do a year and then move on."
Ausiello: Did you meet with Michelle to make sure everyone was still on the same page? Damon: Michelle happened to be [in Los Angeles] and she came by to see us. We basically said to her, "So we’re going to stay on course." And at that point, Michelle was kinda like, "Hey, I'm living in Hawaii…." She might have been able to wrap her brain around [staying] a little bit longer on the show, but she did not say, "I want to stay on the show!" She was basically like, "Yeah. That's a good plan." Carlton: And once we told her what was happening, she was incredibly supportive. She thought it was sort of a kickass way to go, and she got very on board with the idea of how she was going to be exiting the show.
Ausiello: Rumors has it she was a hard-ass on the set and everyone hated her. Care to set the record straight? Damon: We're not in Hawaii on the set so all we can speak to is our working relationship with Michelle and what we have heard from the other actors and directors on the show, and we never heard anything remotely resembling that she was a hard-ass. You know, she's Michelle. She's got a very playful spirit. But she's totally professional and got along well with all the other actors. We get calls over the course of our career about difficult actors. We did not get those calls about Michelle.Interesting. I'm not sure I believe it, but interesting. The timing is too pat. *shrug*
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Post by Sara on May 3, 2006 21:21:53 GMT -5
This is like . . . just . . . . like . . . OMG! This just does not compute. Annoying is what it is. They may have just taken me out of the story with this stunt. I'm going to have to think about whether I want to continue to play. If you mean the possibility that what we just saw is related to the actresses DUIs, I understand where you're coming from. But I personally want to believe what the producers told Ausiello, and I seem to recall that in interviews when this season began Rodriguez was kinda vague about how long she anticipated being on the show. I'll have to see if I kept any of 'em...
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Post by Karen on May 3, 2006 21:22:28 GMT -5
You upgraded from Holy Shit! Don't you think the circumstances warranted it? That's the understatement of the season! Glad to hear that Ana Lucia and Libby's characters' deaths were planned from the beginning and not done in some sort of self-righteous reprimand. Thanks for posting that interview. There's something to be said to not listening to rumours before the facts are verified.
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Post by Lola m on May 3, 2006 21:23:41 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, definitely not. Man! You really really should not take a girl on a romantic beach trip on this island. Oh, no shit! We shoulda guessed the baddy bad was going to happen as soon as Shannon's name was mentioned. Where was Vincent, the real grim reaper of the island tonight? Ah, Vincent also shows up after the death, looking all innocent and cute. What do you want to bet we see a supposedly meaningless casual shot of him of him wandering over to a few folks, licking their hands, getting petted, etc. next week. Of course, that's right before he whips out a rifle and breaks Michael out of the bunker.
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Post by Karen on May 3, 2006 21:23:52 GMT -5
This is like . . . just . . . . like . . . OMG! This just does not compute. Annoying is what it is. They may have just taken me out of the story with this stunt. I'm going to have to think about whether I want to continue to play. Do you think it was too brutal? I hope you decide to stay and play!
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Post by Karen on May 3, 2006 21:24:36 GMT -5
Oh, no shit! We shoulda guessed the baddy bad was going to happen as soon as Shannon's name was mentioned. Where was Vincent, the real grim reaper of the island tonight? Ah, Vincent also shows up after the death, looking all innocent and cute. What do you want to bet we see a supposedly meaningless casual shot of him of him wandering over to a few folks, licking their hands, getting petted, etc. next week. Of course, that's right before he whips out a rifle and breaks Michael out of the bunker. #rofl1# Maybe he'll challenge them all to a few games of poker first.
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Post by Sara on May 3, 2006 21:25:04 GMT -5
Interesting. I'm not sure I believe it, but interesting. The timing is too pat. *shrug* Yeah, but doesn't that in and of itself suggest they are being honest? 'Cause they're not idiots--they had to know how it would look to the average viewer. And they've certainly had time to come up with a more plausible story. Besides, we don't yet know for sure that Libby's dead too.
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Post by Karen on May 3, 2006 21:28:41 GMT -5
Interesting. I'm not sure I believe it, but interesting. The timing is too pat. *shrug* Yeah, but doesn't that in and of itself suggest they are being honest? 'Cause they're not idiots--they had to know how it would look to the average viewer. And they've certainly had time to come up with a more plausible story. Besides, we don't yet know for sure that Libby's dead too. Yeah - those blankets could've been made of kevlar.
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