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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 24, 2005 11:45:13 GMT -5
Just curious: are they called "recappers" because they essentially just re-cap the episode---i.e. discribe the scenes one by one? Sort of a non-exact transcript? Or do they do actual reviews. There is a significant difference between the two actions in my mind. A review would most certainly leave wide latitude for the reviewers personal reactions and opinions. A recapper (to my mind) would be fairly limited to simply describing the blow-by-blow. (Sort of like the guy who calls the action in a sports broadcast vs the guy who does the "color".) I haven't read any of the VM TWoP reviews, but have read some of the Buffy ones. They are recaps, in that they are "blow-by-blow" descriptions. But personal comments and opinions of any kind are thrown in as you go. By "of any kind" I mean that the reviewer might comment on the music, the clothes, the acting, or any combo thereof - it's a kind of "review whatever strikes your fancy, as you recap" thing. I wouldn't suggest the Buffy recaps - the ones I've read really descend into truly snooty negativity, without providing much in the form of any extra insight, or laughs, or anything worthwhile. Bascially, I found them boring. But it sounds from what Pixi is saying as if the VM recaps are decent.
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Post by Sue on Apr 24, 2005 12:25:16 GMT -5
They definitely are not reviewers. Only very rarely will a TWoP recapper take a moment and make even one paragraph of commentary on the episode as a whole. There's no real analysis. Your sports analogy was spot on; I'd say that the recaps are a combination of both play-by-play and color commentary. The comments are intermixed with the scene and dialogue summation. Another major component is MSTK-style satirical comments which increases in inverse proportion to the recapper's respect for the show. This is the "snark" component which is TWoP's trademark. IMO, the TWoP recaps' purpose is entertainment, not enlightenment. I read recaps of show that I don't watch or like. Usually, I avoid recaps of shows that I do like. The Firefly recaps really bugged the hell out me. Thankfully Couch Baron "gets" VM and his recaps are a fun read. OTOH, they can be useful to catch up on shows that you missed. The recaps are usually fairly complete with much dialogue and stage directions and it's usually very clear what's factual recapping and what's editorial snarking. Thanks for the description. So, then, our reviews in not in any kind of "competition" with the TWoP sight. And, congratulations on your second torch and Junior S'cubie status.
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Post by KMInfinity on Apr 24, 2005 17:25:46 GMT -5
What fun to come here and read all these great comments and insights! And the superb reviews, of course.
This was another terrific episode. Every where I go I’ve been pimping this show as one to watch in repeats this summer. Finally, thanks to AH, my husband watched it and was hooked – wants to know when the DVD is out so we can watch it “properly.”
I loved Sue’s scenario that it really is Abel in a double-twist. I disagree that it would be anti-climactic, not if a well written episode has the “innocent suspect” nearly nailed for it.
I’m not sure who I want to be guilty, if it's not Abel. I don’t really want it to be Celeste, since that would be rather weak, unless there’s that future episode where we get all warm and fuzzy with her. I certainly don’t want it to be Logan or Weevil. Nor do I want it to be Duncan.
I guess that leaves Lianne as the suspect I could most miss but who could have the most impact.
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Post by leftylady on Apr 25, 2005 11:55:06 GMT -5
Very interesting slant on the review, Spring. Every time I think a review is your best, you go and surpass it!
Love everyone's different slants on suspects. Just to throw a few more angles into the mix: From last weeks aired preview, which by its format I surmised to possibly cover any and all of the 3 remaining episodes, they are now upping the ante on Alicia. Since I do not have tapes of the first 9 epis, that brings me to several questions that our resident researchers might be able to fill in the blanks for us: **What did Wallace say in the Pilot about why he and his mom now in Neptune? **We know that Alicia works for Kane Software, but what does she do there? And whom in particular does she work for? **Could she be working for Clarence W.? And if so as what? **Any other prior connection to Clarence? Could he have recruited her in the first place?
I love playing "What if" as if most of you can't tell that by now!!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 25, 2005 12:07:34 GMT -5
Very interesting slant on the review, Spring. Every time I think a review is your best, you go and surpass it! Love everyone's different slants on suspects. Just to throw a few more angles into the mix: From last weeks aired preview, which by its format I surmised to possibly cover any and all of the 3 remaining episodes, they are now upping the ante on Alicia. Since I do not have tapes of the first 9 epis, that brings me to several questions that our resident researchers might be able to fill in the blanks for us: **What did Wallace say in the Pilot about why he and his mom now in Neptune? **We know that Alicia works for Kane Software, but what does she do there? And whom in particular does she work for? **Could she be working for Clarence W.? And if so as what? **Any other prior connection to Clarence? Could he have recruited her in the first place? I love playing "What if" as if most of you can't tell that by now!! I didn't tape the first few eps either (what was I thinking!) so I don't recall specifically what Wallace and/or Alicia said about coming to Neptune. I have the vague recollection that it was in some way to do with the end of her marriage (divorce?), but I'm not sure why I have that impression. To get away from the mess of a divorce, or something like that? I might try to hop out to the transcript site tonight to see if I can hunt any more info down. Lola
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 25, 2005 12:40:48 GMT -5
I didn't tape the first few eps either (what was I thinking!) so I don't recall specifically what Wallace and/or Alicia said about coming to Neptune. I have the vague recollection that it was in some way to do with the end of her marriage (divorce?), but I'm not sure why I have that impression. To get away from the mess of a divorce, or something like that? I might try to hop out to the transcript site tonight to see if I can hunt any more info down. Lola I don't recall Wallace saying much at all about his mom and their reason for moving there. I guess I need to go back and re-read the transcripts myself. I got distracted from reading through all of them. I wonder if that was in the episode that Keith and Alicia met? I've begun to wonder if Aaron could be the guilty party? I've heard talk of this elsewhere and this last episode did show us that his violent side extends beyond just abusing his family. On the other hand, I am having trouble imagining a scenario that works. I can't figure out his motive and what reasons exists for him to be so mad at Lilly that he'd be driven to violence. At first I wondered if it could have to do with Lilly cheating on Logan but, truly, I don't see Aaron caring enough about Logan to fly into rage over it. Then I wondered if the secret Lilly had discovered had to do Logan but that's so totally out in left field that I know I'm grasping at straws. I can't wait for tomorrow night. Maybe we'll get some more clues even though I've come to believe they've already set up all the clues for us and I just can't connect the dots.
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 25, 2005 12:46:52 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot. Spring, I very much enjoyed your review! Really liked your discussion about love and whether it is a motivator or not in the events happening.
I did not make the connection between Lynn and Chester but now I really do wonder if there is a chance she could be alive. Her death, though, has given Logan a little bit of freedom from his household. The money she left him didn't make him rich but it's enough to make a break if he needs to do that.
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 25, 2005 13:15:31 GMT -5
What fun to come here and read all these great comments and insights! And the superb reviews, of course. Thanks, KM! I'm not a fan of the Abel scenario, because we've been given zilch in the way of any real motivation for him to have done it, but plenty in the way of motivation for the pay off. If he did it, why the pay-off? Ooook. Lianne - well, you know, I think like everyone else, the more I think about this, the more confused I get . . .
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 25, 2005 13:19:43 GMT -5
Very interesting slant on the review, Spring. Every time I think a review is your best, you go and surpass it! I aim to please. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Not sure what is going on with Alicia, but I love that they are going to be doing more with her character. I love the whole "Keith & Alicia are dating" thing - I hope we get to see something on that. I think she is basically a "good guy" character, so whatever connection she may have to the nefarious goings on will be unintentional - or possibly coerced if Clarence "has something" on her. She and Keith could be very "Giles & Jenny," I suppose . . .
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 25, 2005 13:21:52 GMT -5
I don't recall Wallace saying much at all about his mom and their reason for moving there. I guess I need to go back and re-read the transcripts myself. I got distracted from reading through all of them. I wonder if that was in the episode that Keith and Alicia met? I've begun to wonder if Aaron could be the guilty party? I've heard talk of this elsewhere and this last episode did show us that his violent side extends beyond just abusing his family. On the other hand, I am having trouble imagining a scenario that works. I can't figure out his motive and what reasons exists for him to be so mad at Lilly that he'd be driven to violence. At first I wondered if it could have to do with Lilly cheating on Logan but, truly, I don't see Aaron caring enough about Logan to fly into rage over it. Then I wondered if the secret Lilly had discovered had to do Logan but that's so totally out in left field that I know I'm grasping at straws. I can't wait for tomorrow night. Maybe we'll get some more clues even though I've come to believe they've already set up all the clues for us and I just can't connect the dots. Aaron has shown he's capable of violence, but it seems very directed toward other males. We don't get the slightest idea that he ever hit Lynn, and he obviously doesn't hit Trina. So - though anyone is capable of crossing such a line with enough provocation - I would think that hitting Lilly would be out of character for the "usual" Aaron that we've seen.
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 25, 2005 13:27:05 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot. Spring, I very much enjoyed your review! Really liked your discussion about love and whether it is a motivator or not in the events happening. Thanks for the feedback, Rae. Yes - I thought it was curious that first we see a scene where Logan is learning that his mother left him her personal effects, then we see a scene where Hans is giving Mandy Chester's personal effects . . . and then lo and behold, Chester isn't dead. Not conclusive of course, but curious. Interesting point about Logan now having the means to escape the household if he wants to. At 16 (or 17?) it would be a very big deal to try to do something like that, and Aaron would have to allow it (which he might do, I suppose.) I could just see Logan moving in with Keith & Veronica. That could be almost as fun as when Spike moved in with Xander (in Season 4, because the fun-factor was close to zero by Season 7.) Of course, I think Logan would be dead within a week, having been strangled or shot, or both, by Keith.
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Post by KMInfinity on Apr 25, 2005 14:46:05 GMT -5
Something I thought of in connection with Keith and Alicia.
Any chance they aren't really dating, and that was just a cover for her to help Keith in his investigation? I'd hate it if Keith was just usng her...but what if she came to him with some info, and they cooked up this way of cloaking their true relationship?
Since V and W implicitly believe it, it makes a great cover.
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 25, 2005 14:59:21 GMT -5
Something I thought of in connection with Keith and Alicia. Any chance they aren't really dating, and that was just a cover for her to help Keith in his investigation? I'd hate it if Keith was just usng her...but what if she came to him with some info, and they cooked up this way of cloaking their true relationship? Since V and W implicitly believe it, it makes a great cover. Well - Wallace says he walked in on Keith & Alicia making out on the couch, so that's going pretty far for a cover. Who knows, but my totally subjective thoughts on this would be that the dating is exactly as it appears to be. Though . . . it could turn out that Keith & Alicia got closer due to Keith questioning her on the Lilly investigation or some such thing - but I would still think the dating was real. Alicia sounded so sincere in talking to Wallace about how much she liked Keith, plus the couch thing - I'd never make out on a couch with a guy just for investigative cover - well, unless it was James Bond, maybe. (Sean or Pierce only.) ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by artemis on Apr 25, 2005 20:17:10 GMT -5
i had a little free time & thought i'd look up a bit on alicia. this is from "Like a Virgin" (according to the transcript site Rae linked to):
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Post by William the Bloody on Apr 26, 2005 9:35:54 GMT -5
<snip> Alicia sounded so sincere in talking to Wallace about how much she liked Keith, plus the couch thing - I'd never make out on a couch with a guy just for investigative cover - well, unless it was James Bond, maybe. (Sean or Pierce only.) ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Well...shoot! So much for my plans (and ulterior motives!) for gettin' the lowdown on the attendees to this years S'cubiefest! And here I thought Spring and I could sit in the car out outside hte event, watching people, and smooch whenver someone walked by... *strikes that from the optional event listings* Hmmm...wait! Maybe if I practice my best lilt or brogue! *carefully pencils it back in* Well shertainly, Mrsh Shummers. Shaken, not shtirred. Never shay never. Shpring ish my favorite sheason, what with the flowersh decorating those heaving bountiful shwells. Vlad
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