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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2006 20:34:44 GMT -5
I wanna watch Torchwood! Wahhhhhhhhhhh! You guys sound like you are having such fun! Soldier on. ;D Hee! Now you are having fun, too!
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2006 20:35:54 GMT -5
What's up with the alien saying "It has to be a man", though? The alien is a woman?
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Post by Onjel on Nov 5, 2006 21:07:09 GMT -5
I wanna watch Torchwood! Wahhhhhhhhhhh! You guys sound like you are having such fun! Soldier on. ;D Hee! Now you are having fun, too! I am! I have to watch episode three. I can't wait for 4! ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 17, 2007 17:15:34 GMT -5
Meteor? Stop saying "you" and start saying "we." Poor Gwen feels out of place. Oops, but pretty smoke! Damn, that must have been good sex. None of Torchwood have SOs. Do they have any family or are they selected specifically because they don't? And do they routinely sex each other up? So Jack doesn't have quite as much control over the rest of the group as he'd like, and the group is doing a lousy job training her and helping her fit in. Nothing else out there like orgasmic energy. Dammit, Gwen. Don't go inside! So the humans are more open minded than the alien about sexual orientation. The mystery of Jack. Dinner *and* a movie! Tell me what it means to be human in the 21st century. About saving people vs stopping the aliens. Jack could have sex with her and not get vaporized, right? The Severed Hand. Jack's kiss cured her? Huh? Smoke turned into dust itself. OK.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 17, 2007 17:18:58 GMT -5
This one was much better paced than the first one. Good.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:05:00 GMT -5
Must try hard not to do another excessively long ramble about everything seen . . . ;D I think I'll just post bits I enjoyed and bits that made me think thoughts about theme and so on. Bits I enjoyed:Gwen telling her BF that she was, in effect, doing "special ops filing". Calling the army "amateurs". ;D The cool meteor/ship thing shooting across the sky and its crunchy demon center purple gas alien. I liked the non-humanoidness of the alien; I like when aliens are really, you know, alien. Plus, the exploding sex was, well, eye-opening. All the sex joking about was actually rather funny ("came and went", Owen stripped nekkid but only so she could get away, the delivery guy, Gwen's "oh God no" when she realizes it would be a very bad idea to bring the girl's dad there) and sex-ay (Sex in the bathroom, at least until he went poof? Gwen and the girl in the cell!?! Damn!! "OK. First contact with an alien not quite what I expected." ;D ) Funny bit, where Gwen was all saying we wouldn't let them invade and enslave us. "That's what you lot do, isn't it? Aliens?" And then when she learns the truth, "Excuse me. Just to recap. You traveled here to feed off of orgasmic energy?" ;D Good continuity with the inflatable jail cell. Like the rule of thumb about having a gun in the first act. If you show a piece of technology, then we should see how it is crucial to plot later. "You know, strictly speaking, throttling the staff is my job." ;D ;D Clever trap, to offer the alien another body and then grab it when it comes out to get Gwen. Bits that made me think thinky and themey thoughts:The repeated "you can't do that" followed by Jack saying she needs to stop saying "you" and start saying "we". 'Cuz it's all about balancing individual human issues and larger world-saving issues, with her helping them remember the human element, eh? Nice parallel with Captain Jack saying Gwen was "no little girl" and her trying to take the same tack later. But I liked that they had her not be all perfect and so on. Instead she has the "worst first day ever", allowing Owen to goad her into slipping up. But I also liked that she stepped right up to take repsonsibility. And that Jack was as pragmatic as ever about it all "everyone makes mistakes, now get over it". Lots of contrast between the TW folks' isolation and Gwen's "normal" life ("be normal for me" is, um, not something that is either possible or particularly flattering, Jack). She's the only one with a relationship, she's the one that will remind them what it means to be human, etc. But at the same time, she's feeling the first moments of distance her old cop buddies and hiding things from the boyfriend. Very interesting how the TW gang is grilling Gwen about Jack. She puts her finger right on it when she's all "you've been here longer, I just got here". He's holding a lot back from them, isn't he? More than just the fact that he can't die. They don't know he's a time traveler? They did an excellent job in making me feel so sorry for the girl who was taken over by the alien. When she's in the cell at first and is saying all the stuff like "are you MI-5" and "I've never been in trouble" and "promise me you'll help me". To know what is happening, know an alien is using you to kill and you can't stop it? Knowing that while it's not really your fault you were used, you did aim it at your ex, even if he was a jerk . . . "Did you ever love me?" "No." "You could have saved yourself." The final scenes, where they see room after room of dusted guys and then when she's back with her dad and just crying? The girl / alien, talking about all the sex, so much beauty and so much fear . . . And then Jack saying he has "a surplus of life".
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:05:25 GMT -5
Torchwood is neither a torch nor a wood. Discuss. Or, you know, discuss the episode instead. **snickers**
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:05:51 GMT -5
Torchwood is neither a torch nor a wood. Discuss. yet still it is hot like burning **fans self** Good one!
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:12:52 GMT -5
yet still it is hot like burning That's certainly true for this ep! I wonder if the BBC will come to regret having Torchwood mentioned in the last Christmas special and the entire last season of DW? *laughs* It's practically certain that kids will see it sooner or later. Oh, like they weren't all wanting to anyway. Well, there's that whole "traveling all this way for great sex and you still die alone" bit. **nods a lot** And about what Jack expects/hopes she brings to the team.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:14:02 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic. Good comparison!
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:15:22 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic. To answer Riff, I think that the sex thematic was less about sex and more about the more general themes of "connection" and "consumption." Gwen is connecting with the group at Torchwood; will her life turn to dust because of it? That's interesting. I saw the sex-alien as an addicted creature that didn't care what happened to anyone else as long as it got the "hit" it was after. The other two on the crew - I forget their names, because I forget names - were also headed in that direction. The woman with the glove didn't care about killing at the time she was killing, so long as she could get her "hit" from the glove. The doctor dude got his "hit" with the alien super-pheremone and didn't care that he was having sex with people under false pretenses. Murder and murder and rape (imo) for the hit. Alien or human, addiction = bad. That's what I got from it anyway. In addition to the introduction of the group dynamic. That was a good connection there. <edit> I think Jack wants to add Gwen to the crew to (among other things) keep himself from becoming obsessed with only the "hit" of nabbing the alien. He knows he needs the connection Gwen brings. **nods** I think he knows the whole team needs the connection and human-ness that Gwen brings.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:18:56 GMT -5
Well, the first thing that came to mind was that comment of Spike's about "Mr. and Mrs. Big Pile of Dust". Perfect! That's what I was figuring. And you phrased it much more delicately that I was planning on doing, so I'll let your explanation stand in for mine. ;D I'm thinking, heat of the moment, alien wasn't thinking clearly. At least not until it was time to get down to serious business.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:20:26 GMT -5
That's certainly true for this ep! I wonder if the BBC will come to regret having Torchwood mentioned in the last Christmas special and the entire last season of DW? *laughs* It's practically certain that kids will see it sooner or later. The sex alien thing isn't terribly original (though the idea that it wanted sex with humans as a kind of drug was interesting). Oddly, the sex angle was hardly dealt with on a thematic level. No, this ep is really about the "new girl". It also introduces us to more of Jack's character and motivation. I'm sure we can all guess who that hand once belonged to. *whew* We're not in Kansas, anymore, Toto. One thing that struck me was that they mentioned again that there had been no one named Jack Harkness in America for 50 years. Did the original being that is now Captain Jack take over that human's body? I'm hoping for a lot more background and info about Jack, I'm as curious as his team.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:22:58 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic. To answer Riff, I think that the sex thematic was less about sex and more about the more general themes of "connection" and "consumption." Gwen is connecting with the group at Torchwood; will her life turn to dust because of it? Cool! I thought of the demon in Angel, too! Good point about them showing us how they function as a group. Funny how Owen assumes Jack is gay, Toshiko and Gwen see him as straight and Ianto doesn't seem to care. Everyone is seeing him through their own filters, eh? Their own wishes and issues and so on. And meanwhile, he's all "you people and you're quaint little categories". You know, I keep thinkin how I want more info about him, but I keep forgetting that we actually know a lot more about him than any of the other characters do right now . . .
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Post by Lola m on Sept 15, 2007 22:27:25 GMT -5
Meteor? Stop saying "you" and start saying "we." Poor Gwen feels out of place. Oops, but pretty smoke! Damn, that must have been good sex. ;D Excellent question. Yup. He's not so much leading as . . . making suggestions. He's not really totally emotionally invested in the group, is he? Really. I mean, everyone knows you don't step inside the cell with the possessed person. ;D That's what I was thinking, too! I liked that. Had a nice symmetry.
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