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Post by Onjel on Jan 22, 2008 21:54:48 GMT -5
I wonder. Is Morgan the real bad guy here? Sam should ditch his bullshit. He sure seems to be. I mean, I can sort of see how by symbolically killing off the non-real people, Sam is released from the fantasy world. But it's mean. And the Doctor in the now-future had a not-nice smile too. And now Sam is having trouble dealing with how things are in his "real" life. The one he kept wanting 1970 to be like. And he can't feel. Bowie again. Sam wants to go back. Sam thinks this maybe isn't really real either. Jump! And he's back. This makes me think of that Spanish movie. The one that they re-made with Tom Cruise as vanilla sky . . . Abre Los Ojos! That's it. The jump off the roof into another realit. Heh! Gene doesn't want help after being shot. And he finally kisses Annie and gets back to the reality he wants more. Change the radio. And the little girl turns off your set. Cool! Law man beating up the wrong guy . . . What a hugely ambiguous ending. Is he dead? In another coma? Very Buffy in that way. But, I'm grateful he and Annie finally got it together. ;D He's gonna be Hunt's thorn forever. How comforting. Too bad it's the last show. Ever. *sigh* It was a good cop show, actually. All the guess-work aside about the coma. The stories were good. As I said to Sara, it sure beat "Starsky & Hutch". Onjel, old enough to remember those guys in their too-tight jeans and red car. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jan 22, 2008 21:56:30 GMT -5
What the? How the hell did he do that? Knock himself out or die? And, this is so very Buffy as well. He chooses his "fantasy" friends and cohorts and saves them. **nods a lot** 'Cause what's more real? A sick girl in an institution guy in a coma in a hospital? Or some kind of super girl, chosen to fight demons and save the world '70's detective, thrown back in time to change things. That's ridiculous.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 22, 2008 21:57:19 GMT -5
Maybe he meets them all in the 21st century. Annie is real, now. That would satisfy the romantic in me. Now my mind is going to some very odd places . . . like an Annie 30 years older, visiting coma-Sam in 2007 . . . maybe even bringing a 30 years older Sam from the '70's to visit his coma-ized now-time self. My mind is a wacky place. Ooooh! A time paradox! My brain is about to explode just contemplating a storyline like that.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 22, 2008 21:58:37 GMT -5
What the? How the hell did he do that? Knock himself out or die? And, this is so very Buffy as well. He chooses his "fantasy" friends and cohorts and saves them. **nods a lot** 'Cause what's more real? A sick girl in an institution guy in a coma in a hospital? Or some kind of super girl, chosen to fight demons and save the world '70's detective, thrown back in time to change things. That's ridiculous. Hee! Exactly. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jan 22, 2008 22:04:50 GMT -5
He sure seems to be. I mean, I can sort of see how by symbolically killing off the non-real people, Sam is released from the fantasy world. But it's mean. And the Doctor in the now-future had a not-nice smile too. And now Sam is having trouble dealing with how things are in his "real" life. The one he kept wanting 1970 to be like. And he can't feel. Bowie again. Sam wants to go back. Sam thinks this maybe isn't really real either. Jump! And he's back. This makes me think of that Spanish movie. The one that they re-made with Tom Cruise as vanilla sky . . . Abre Los Ojos! That's it. The jump off the roof into another realit. Heh! Gene doesn't want help after being shot. And he finally kisses Annie and gets back to the reality he wants more. Change the radio. And the little girl turns off your set. Cool! Law man beating up the wrong guy . . . What a hugely ambiguous ending. Is he dead? In another coma? Very Buffy in that way. But, I'm grateful he and Annie finally got it together. ;D He's gonna be Hunt's thorn forever. How comforting. Too bad it's the last show. Ever. *sigh* It was a good cop show, actually. All the guess-work aside about the coma. The stories were good. As I said to Sara, it sure beat "Starsky & Hutch". Onjel, old enough to remember those guys in their too-tight jeans and red car. ;D So much a bummer that it's the last one. And yes, definitely better than Starsky and Hutch. I mean, I wanted that car so badly!! The car and Starsky. So bad!! But even thru the haze of my teenaged fangirlyness I still know the show was horrible. Truly bad. I mean, when they show it in reruns? Unwatchable! But I still want the car. And Starsky.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 22, 2008 22:06:30 GMT -5
What a hugely ambiguous ending. Is he dead? In another coma? Very Buffy in that way. But, I'm grateful he and Annie finally got it together. ;D He's gonna be Hunt's thorn forever. How comforting. Too bad it's the last show. Ever. *sigh* It was a good cop show, actually. All the guess-work aside about the coma. The stories were good. As I said to Sara, it sure beat "Starsky & Hutch". Onjel, old enough to remember those guys in their too-tight jeans and red car. ;D So much a bummer that it's the last one. And yes, definitely better than Starsky and Hutch. I mean, I wanted that car so badly!! The car and Starsky. So bad!! But even thru the haze of my teenaged fangirlyness I still know the show was horrible. Truly bad. I mean, when they show it in reruns? Unwatchable! But I still want the car. And Starsky. ;D I wanted Hutch. Still. Awful show.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 23, 2008 21:04:51 GMT -5
What the? How the hell did he do that? Knock himself out or die? And, this is so very Buffy as well. He chooses his "fantasy" friends and cohorts and saves them. **nods a lot** 'Cause what's more real? A sick girl in an institution guy in a coma in a hospital? Or some kind of super girl, chosen to fight demons and save the world '70's detective, thrown back in time to change things. That's ridiculous. Stereotypical male fantasy, to go back to a time when men were men, women were women, and you could sit around drinking beer all day.
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Post by Queen E on Jan 24, 2008 5:01:51 GMT -5
**nods a lot** 'Cause what's more real? A sick girl in an institution guy in a coma in a hospital? Or some kind of super girl, chosen to fight demons and save the world '70's detective, thrown back in time to change things. That's ridiculous. Stereotypical male fantasy, to go back to a time when men were men, women were women, and you could sit around drinking beer all day. You know, I had the same thought. But, I think it's less about that, and more about a choice of either being in a place where everyone is disconnected and alone (the scene where he eats his lunch, and everyone is listening to iPods or talking on their mobiles) or a place where he is challenged to make an active difference. Then again, if you listen to the radio transmission, where Sam says "I hate that station," there is a possibility that he is in fact not back in the 70s, but, you know, dead and this is his afterlife.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 24, 2008 8:31:04 GMT -5
Stereotypical male fantasy, to go back to a time when men were men, women were women, and you could sit around drinking beer all day. You know, I had the same thought. But, I think it's less about that, and more about a choice of either being in a place where everyone is disconnected and alone (the scene where he eats his lunch, and everyone is listening to iPods or talking on their mobiles) or a place where he is challenged to make an active difference. Then again, if you listen to the radio transmission, where Sam says "I hate that station," there is a possibility that he is in fact not back in the 70s, but, you know, dead and this is his afterlife. was always under the impression that the stereotypical male fantasy was a threesome centering on the guy with two women. ;D Seriously, though, I think you've hit it. I don't think this is a stereotypical male fantasy at all. Sam was genuinely appalled at Hunt's policing/investigation tactics and style and wouldn't sit there trying to change him if all he wanted to be was a "man's man", swilling ale and slapping the li'l missus on the rear. Erin, Google "Ashes to Ashes" (or, if you already have, ignore that) and tell me what you think of that premise and how it impacts on your assessment of LoM. Pleeeeeeze? *bats eyelashes and makes puppy eyes* ;D
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Post by Queen E on Jan 24, 2008 10:49:16 GMT -5
You know, I had the same thought. But, I think it's less about that, and more about a choice of either being in a place where everyone is disconnected and alone (the scene where he eats his lunch, and everyone is listening to iPods or talking on their mobiles) or a place where he is challenged to make an active difference. Then again, if you listen to the radio transmission, where Sam says "I hate that station," there is a possibility that he is in fact not back in the 70s, but, you know, dead and this is his afterlife. was always under the impression that the stereotypical male fantasy was a threesome centering on the guy with two women. ;D Seriously, though, I think you've hit it. I don't think this is a stereotypical male fantasy at all. Sam was genuinely appalled at Hunt's policing/investigation tactics and style and wouldn't sit there trying to change him if all he wanted to be was a "man's man", swilling ale and slapping the li'l missus on the rear. Erin, Google "Ashes to Ashes" (or, if you already have, ignore that) and tell me what you think of that premise and how it impacts on your assessment of LoM. Pleeeeeeze? *bats eyelashes and makes puppy eyes* ;D Oh, I knew about Ashes to Ashes WAY before Vlad did, and I'm really not sure how it impacts my assessment of the ending. RIff pointed out some interesting things; for instance, the fact that in the first episode of season 2, where Tony is trying to kill 2007 Sam, during the 2007 flashes, you can see that a cop show is playing on the TV in Sam's room. Also, the presence of the Test Card Girl, who "turns off" the show at the end. The writer/creator whathaveyou is definitely playing with a "meta" theme, especially in terms of the title of the show and the lyrics of "Life on Mars": "Wonder if he'll ever know/he's on the best-selling show." The writer has said: "Sam jumped; the last scene in 1973 is the endless moment of his death." However, not to get all "death of the author" but that is merely his interpretation. Then again, the premise of "Ashes to Ashes" posits that in fact, Gene, Chris, and Roy did in fact exist. From what I've read.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 24, 2008 21:15:27 GMT -5
was always under the impression that the stereotypical male fantasy was a threesome centering on the guy with two women. ;D Seriously, though, I think you've hit it. I don't think this is a stereotypical male fantasy at all. Sam was genuinely appalled at Hunt's policing/investigation tactics and style and wouldn't sit there trying to change him if all he wanted to be was a "man's man", swilling ale and slapping the li'l missus on the rear. Erin, Google "Ashes to Ashes" (or, if you already have, ignore that) and tell me what you think of that premise and how it impacts on your assessment of LoM. Pleeeeeeze? *bats eyelashes and makes puppy eyes* ;D Oh, I knew about Ashes to Ashes WAY before Vlad did, and I'm really not sure how it impacts my assessment of the ending. RIff pointed out some interesting things; for instance, the fact that in the first episode of season 2, where Tony is trying to kill 2007 Sam, during the 2007 flashes, you can see that a cop show is playing on the TV in Sam's room. Also, the presence of the Test Card Girl, who "turns off" the show at the end. The writer/creator whathaveyou is definitely playing with a "meta" theme, especially in terms of the title of the show and the lyrics of "Life on Mars": "Wonder if he'll ever know/he's on the best-selling show." The writer has said: "Sam jumped; the last scene in 1973 is the endless moment of his death." However, not to get all "death of the author" but that is merely his interpretation. Then again, the premise of "Ashes to Ashes" posits that in fact, Gene, Chris, and Roy did in fact exist. From what I've read. I just watched the trailer. I'm thinking they did. I know that the new kid on the block reads Sam's reports, but she wouldn't know what Gene looked like would she? Unless she's seen an older version of him in 2008. I thought Sam died at the end and was back where he wanted to be. Where he feels like he can make a difference. From what I gather, the premise is similar, but that she's out as a result of a gunshot wound or something. Or, she could be dead, too. That was unclear. All I know, is, I will be interested in seeing if Gene has changed or his behavior has been modified into being more like Sam. It is the 80's after all.
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Post by Queen E on Dec 25, 2012 1:58:58 GMT -5
Oh, I knew about Ashes to Ashes WAY before Vlad did, and I'm really not sure how it impacts my assessment of the ending. RIff pointed out some interesting things; for instance, the fact that in the first episode of season 2, where Tony is trying to kill 2007 Sam, during the 2007 flashes, you can see that a cop show is playing on the TV in Sam's room. Also, the presence of the Test Card Girl, who "turns off" the show at the end. The writer/creator whathaveyou is definitely playing with a "meta" theme, especially in terms of the title of the show and the lyrics of "Life on Mars": "Wonder if he'll ever know/he's on the best-selling show." The writer has said: "Sam jumped; the last scene in 1973 is the endless moment of his death." However, not to get all "death of the author" but that is merely his interpretation. Then again, the premise of "Ashes to Ashes" posits that in fact, Gene, Chris, and Roy did in fact exist. From what I've read. I just watched the trailer. I'm thinking they did. I know that the new kid on the block reads Sam's reports, but she wouldn't know what Gene looked like would she? Unless she's seen an older version of him in 2008. I thought Sam died at the end and was back where he wanted to be. Where he feels like he can make a difference. From what I gather, the premise is similar, but that she's out as a result of a gunshot wound or something. Or, she could be dead, too. That was unclear. All I know, is, I will be interested in seeing if Gene has changed or his behavior has been modified into being more like Sam. It is the 80's after all. IF you haven't seen all of Ashes to Ashes, that definitely adds some new wrinkles to the premise, including who Frank Morgan might have really been, and the importance of Nelson...
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