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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 31, 2008 18:15:34 GMT -5
I read this in the TV guide recap column comments. Dean as Abraham? Interesting. Genesis 18:32. Then he said, "Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten (righteous men) should be found there?" And He said, "I will not destroy it for the sake of ten."- Abraham and God in reference to Sodom. Dean being cast in the role of Abraham… I’m not envying him. That is neat. I'm intrigued about how biblical this is getting. I just hope that they do it right because a lot more people know and deeply care about the bible than ancient mythologies. I think Kripke will do it right.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 7, 2008 8:14:15 GMT -5
My LJ post:
I missed my hot angel and the mytharc but I still loved the episode. Maybe it's because I love Ben E. Maybe it's because there was a giant teddy bear trying to commit suicide. (hee) With Teddy Bear Doctors. Maybe due to the epic lines including Run Forest Run, Kneel before the Todd and so on and so forth.
Mostly because Dean owns me and my heart was beating so fast when he was talking about hell. How can he remember and still function? I've read a lot of theories about this - Castiel wiped some of it away, he only thinks he remembers, etc, etc. But at the end of the day Jensen nailed that scene (again! Wow JA, your acting is leaving me gasping this year) and I just want to hold him. Dean.
I'm happy we will resume our dark ride next week but this week? The lightness was okay by me. Because giant Teddy Bears rule.
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Post by Sara on Nov 7, 2008 11:25:18 GMT -5
My LJ post: I missed my hot angel and the mytharc but I still loved the episode. Maybe it's because I love Ben E. Maybe it's because there was a giant teddy bear trying to commit suicide. (hee) With Teddy Bear Doctors. Maybe due to the epic lines including Run Forest Run, Kneel before the Todd and so on and so forth. Mostly because Dean owns me and my heart was beating so fast when he was talking about hell. How can he remember and still function? I've read a lot of theories about this - Castiel wiped some of it away, he only thinks he remembers, etc, etc. But at the end of the day Jensen nailed that scene (again! Wow JA, your acting is leaving me gasping this year) and I just want to hold him. Dean. I'm happy we will resume our dark ride next week but this week? The lightness was okay by me. Because giant Teddy Bears rule. I was already crying with laughter after the attempted teddy bear suicide, so when the kid yelled "KNEEL BEFORE TODD!"... well, I just about wet myself. ETA: I'm also in total agreement about the fact that JA's performance is kicking all kinds of ass this season—his final speech there to his brother left me breathless.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 7, 2008 16:30:42 GMT -5
Another comedic episode. Are they going to pile up the angst and despair for the end of the season?
Loved the continuity with "Busty Asian Beauties" or whatever that magazine was.
The part where Dean couldn't find the right fake ID was great. And when they got caught posing as FBI agents and health inspectors and florists (hee!).
Neat to see Sam reflect how much he's left all his plans behind him. And now he wishes for Lilith's head on a plate (Is he turning into Salome?)
A coin that can't be lifted. You see that in a lot of folk tales. Hmm.
So there's only so much happiness to go around. And things never turn out the way we expect.
Wes was a total Hey It's That Guy.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 7, 2008 16:39:55 GMT -5
My LJ post: I missed my hot angel and the mytharc but I still loved the episode. Maybe it's because I love Ben E. Maybe it's because there was a giant teddy bear trying to commit suicide. (hee) With Teddy Bear Doctors. Maybe due to the epic lines including Run Forest Run, Kneel before the Todd and so on and so forth. Mostly because Dean owns me and my heart was beating so fast when he was talking about hell. How can he remember and still function? I've read a lot of theories about this - Castiel wiped some of it away, he only thinks he remembers, etc, etc. But at the end of the day Jensen nailed that scene (again! Wow JA, your acting is leaving me gasping this year) and I just want to hold him. Dean. I'm happy we will resume our dark ride next week but this week? The lightness was okay by me. Because giant Teddy Bears rule. The Teddy Bear was great. And eetah about Jensen Ackle's acting.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 14, 2008 8:51:18 GMT -5
My post from lj:
Well. There you go. I have to start right out and say I would have liked a little more something from this reveal. I guess I was looking for the angst and the anguish of the first three episodes. I liked this episode but it was more of a liking parts of it and not enthralled and unable to tear my eyes away liking.
With that said - TWOP is exploding with anger. HOW DARE SAM HAVE SEX WITH A CORPSE? I find all that outrage (um does this make me a bad person) a little funny. Maybe I've seen too many Buffy, Angel, Charmed, etc. to get upset about this. Because Spike and Angel - technically dead too people. And maybe because I adored Cole on Charmed (before they made him all whackaloon that is)and loved all his sex scenes with Phoebe (before she became miss sleep with anything with a penis gal) - maybe all that means sex with a demon didn't bother me at all.
I think the thing that bothered me is there wasn't enough of "the sex" and the actress playing Ruby really sucks. I've tried to stand back and not prejudge her but she brings nothing to the table. I don't see the chemistry, I don't get the demon with a heart of gold vibe (Spike, Darla, Angel, Cole - all kept their demon badassery even when they were doing something good or helpful) and I think it comes down to bad casting. This gal sucks. She doesn't have the edge or tortured angst to sell this to me.
JP did a good job with his voice and losing it but I think I would have liked a little more of his breakdown than we got.
So with that out of the way, I adored Anna. What a great job the actress did! She owned me from the minute her scene opened. And that was a terrific teaser. I adored every minute.
Alastair - meh. Maybe he'll grow on me but he just looked like some old guy cast as a demon. I wish the hint of danger would ooze out of him a little more. And why must our super scarey demons be old? Can't we have a younger scarey demon? Not Lilith young but say some hot, sexy guy. I'm just saying.
Not enough Castiel.
Favorite moments: The Dean. The maid. Wearing a pediatrician.
I did love alot of the visual images. The glass window at the church was particularly beautiful.
So, I was a little let down the big reveal wasn't more of an adrenaline rush I must admit while at the same time, I loved the fact that Kripke did go there. I kind of wish he hadn't been so weinie about it with the whole "here are my papers, she's really dead" scene. I know why he did. He was probably worried that the rabid SPN fandom would be nailing dead puppies to his door if he actually had Sam as a rapist but I would have liked a dark, disturbing lost Sam who was too far gone to think of things like that or having thought of it still needed this dark release.
Not that I'm advocating rape of course. I just feel like he was being a bit of a weinie. But it's okay Kripke. The fans scare me sometimes.
I'm not a drooler over JP and I think at the end of the day I'm probably more of a Dean girl than a Sam girl (which has been largely due to Ackles amazing acting chops which have owned me)but I will say damn Jarod. Nice back!
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Post by artemis on Nov 14, 2008 12:20:06 GMT -5
Thank you, Pixi. I've been totally unimpressed with the actress playing Ruby but wondering if it was just me - and I'm glad to hear someone who knows a lot more about acting than I do agrees. At the beginning of the sex scene, her acting reminded me of the way I emote when I am imitating bad acting.
I agree with you about Anna, too - the actress is wonderful and the character is fascinating to me.
I think the lack of depth to Ruby's character made it harder for me to believe that she's really doing good, or that she's actually still dangerous but currently doing good. I wished we'd seen one or the other (preferably, to me anyway, the latter; I find those sorts of stories to be fascinating, as I imagine about all of us on S3 do!).
To me, the whole comagirl thing wasn't just to try to mollify the fans (how funny that TWOP is freaking out) but also to try to accentuate Ruby's goodness. Sam can say: See how hard she's trying! She's not even in a living person any more! Perhaps a better actress could have pulled it off more convincingly.
I wish we'd seen a little more explanation of Sam's slippery slide from being drunk and broken and demon-angsting just after Dean's death to being a Cassanova bad-ass demon-killing machine who's fine with lying to Bobby and Dean by the time they caught up with him after Dean was brought back. I've always wondered how much Ruby influenced this (be it intentionally, subtly, or unwittingly) and I still would like to see the show at least hint about it. Last night I found myself wondering why Sam felt like Ruby was the only person he could count on after Dean's death. Why didn't he try to connect with Bobby?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 14, 2008 15:59:43 GMT -5
Eetah, Pixi and Artemis. I still feel like this episode was supposed to reveal more than it did, especially vis a vis Ruby. But it is a two parter, so it's kind of hard to know to draw any real conclusions until seeing the second half.
I did like Anna, who looked like a cross between Famke Jenssen and and Felicia Day.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2008 9:29:59 GMT -5
Copied from my lj:
For me, a mixed bag. I loved some of it, liked some of it and disliked some of it. Still not as strong as the first three episodes but maybe we won't ever get back there. Still Jensen owns me. I was sobbing as that scene played out. Oh Dean.
Things I loved:
Dean sharing the story of Hell. Sam's quiet, strong support in the background. And you know, that scene really took away some of the separation I've had with Sammy this season. That scene was such a wonderful portrayal of the deep, intertwined, loving bond the brothers have. I cried and I ached for Dean.
Pam. Blind but still snarky. I loved her from the ass grab to the looking at my rack moment. Can we please give her some eyes again somehow? I loved her.
Dean confronting Uriel. Awesome.
Dean whacking Alastair to save Castiel.
Things I liked:
Dean having sweet sex though this also is going to go into things I don't like.
Ruby bringing the snark. "I am watching her." Ruby is alot less annoying when she is bringing the snark.
Castiel. Castiel likes Dean. Castiel and his hot eyes of sad torment.
Bobby. I know there was no Bobby but they were in his awesome house and there was the great line from Dean about him.
The boys working together to bring Godzilla and Mothra together.
Dean's pain and face as he acknowledged he chose Sammy. Of course he did but he hated that he did.
Things I disliked:
Where were the flaming swords and magic power and buildings being blown apart and bodies flinging about. I find the fists a bit weinie. I get that Alastair was a powerful demon and couldn't be taken out by the Uriel eyes of flame but . . . . I found the fight between Alastair and Castiel a bit boring.
Alastair's accent. I'm not sure what the actor was going for but it came off more affected than scary.
Ruby seems to be a full fledged scooby now. And I'm not sure how I feel about that. I was honestly hoping that when she summoned Alastair that we were going to see that they were working together and her hidden agenda would come to light.
Things I hated:
Titanic hand of passion? Seriously? It took the sweetness out of that scene (and I get that it was angelsex but I would have liked a little more passion. Still I get that Anna was having her last bit of nookie and Dean was still massively hurting so I don't mind the sweetness) But the hand? Why Kripke why?
Torture porn. This scene was useless. Hey look - demon is almost naked. Hey look, big knife and lots of moaning. Hey look - me adopting my darkWillow bored now face.
The grace? In a vial? Tracking it by meteor sightings? Sorry, this didn't work for me. Granted I did endure Nicholas Cage falling from Heaven for Meg Ryan so maybe I'm comparing scenes in my mind but what? Her body got all melty and she ripped sparkly stuff out of her and threw it somewhere and then became melty or something and jumped into her mom's womb? Nah - none of this worked.
I didn't guess she was an angel. I was actually expecting her to be Lucifer's daughter which duh on me I guess. Still scarred by Rosemary's baby. Hee!
So overall I enjoyed it. Not enthralled but the Ackles tears had me huddled on my couch sobbing. At this point, it seems like Ruby is going to be one of the good guys and I feel like a hypocrite because I was all for Spike joining the Scubies. So I have to learn to like her I guess. But January? ARGH!
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Post by Sara on Nov 21, 2008 10:29:36 GMT -5
Copied from my lj: For me, a mixed bag. I loved some of it, liked some of it and disliked some of it. Still not as strong as the first three episodes but maybe we won't ever get back there. Still Jensen owns me. I was sobbing as that scene played out. Oh Dean. Things I loved: Dean sharing the story of Hell. Sam's quiet, strong support in the background. And you know, that scene really took away some of the separation I've had with Sammy this season. That scene was such a wonderful portrayal of the deep, intertwined, loving bond the brothers have. I cried and I ached for Dean. Pam. Blind but still snarky. I loved her from the ass grab to the looking at my rack moment. Can we please give her some eyes again somehow? I loved her. Dean confronting Uriel. Awesome. Dean whacking Alastair to save Castiel. Things I liked: Dean having sweet sex though this also is going to go into things I don't like. Ruby bringing the snark. "I am watching her." Ruby is alot less annoying when she is bringing the snark. Castiel. Castiel likes Dean. Castiel and his hot eyes of sad torment. Bobby. I know there was no Bobby but they were in his awesome house and there was the great line from Dean about him. The boys working together to bring Godzilla and Mothra together. Dean's pain and face as he acknowledged he chose Sammy. Of course he did but he hated that he did. Things I disliked: Where were the flaming swords and magic power and buildings being blown apart and bodies flinging about. I find the fists a bit weinie. I get that Alastair was a powerful demon and couldn't be taken out by the Uriel eyes of flame but . . . . I found the fight between Alastair and Castiel a bit boring. Alastair's accent. I'm not sure what the actor was going for but it came off more affected than scary. Ruby seems to be a full fledged scooby now. And I'm not sure how I feel about that. I was honestly hoping that when she summoned Alastair that we were going to see that they were working together and her hidden agenda would come to light. Things I hated: Titanic hand of passion? Seriously? It took the sweetness out of that scene (and I get that it was angelsex but I would have liked a little more passion. Still I get that Anna was having her last bit of nookie and Dean was still massively hurting so I don't mind the sweetness) But the hand? Why Kripke why? Torture porn. This scene was useless. Hey look - demon is almost naked. Hey look, big knife and lots of moaning. Hey look - me adopting my darkWillow bored now face. The grace? In a vial? Tracking it by meteor sightings? Sorry, this didn't work for me. Granted I did endure Nicholas Cage falling from Heaven for Meg Ryan so maybe I'm comparing scenes in my mind but what? Her body got all melty and she ripped sparkly stuff out of her and threw it somewhere and then became melty or something and jumped into her mom's womb? Nah - none of this worked. I didn't guess she was an angel. I was actually expecting her to be Lucifer's daughter which duh on me I guess. Still scarred by Rosemary's baby. Hee! So overall I enjoyed it. Not enthralled but the Ackles tears had me huddled on my couch sobbing. At this point, it seems like Ruby is going to be one of the good guys and I feel like a hypocrite because I was all for Spike joining the Scubies. So I have to learn to like her I guess. But January? ARGH! Copying from my response to you in LJ. Titanic hand of passion? Seriously?When I read that just now I had to turn the beginnings of a laugh into a fake cough to keep myself out of trouble. Totally agree with you about the utter cheesiness undermining what had been a fairly intense scene. The thing I think I like best about Ruby working with the boys is that when we see her do stuff like approach Alistair with a deal we'll never know for absolute certain whether she's sincere or pulling a scam with the guys—which means the outcome will always be a bit of a surprise. The fight didn't really disappoint me the same way it did you; not that I really thought about it very much, but I guess I just expected that while in human bodies both angels and demons are forced to fight as humans do—albeit like humans on bitchin' steroids. As for Alistair's accent, I figured that he believes Marlon Brando in The Godfather is the epitome of intimidating. Not only did I cheer upon seeing Pam again (and discovering she hasn't changed a bit), I loved that she actually survived to show up another day. Myself, I thought the torture scene was rather restrained by SPN's standards, given that we never once saw the knife going into Ruby's body—it was all implication, sound effects, and blood. I think that sometimes SPN shows a bit more than it has to when such bodily damage is inflicted, especially since any good storyteller knows that what you imagine is usually way scarier than anything you could put on a screen. Complete and utter agreement on the last five minutes of the show; out of everything I've watched on t.v. this season, I'd be hard pressed to come up with a more powerful moment than Dean's sharing with Sammy what really happened in hell. Although I know a nomination will never happen, that was an Emmy-worthy bit of work by JA right there. Also? Given the tendency on the part of t.v. people to leave us with cliffhangers over the holiday break, I have to say I appreciated the fact that SPN didn't go that route—I thought they did a good job of providing a bit of closure while still leaving us eager to find out what'll happen next.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2008 10:58:16 GMT -5
I just went to YouTube and watched that final scene between Sam and Dean again. And I'm now trying not to cry at work. It is so powerful.
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Post by artemis on Nov 21, 2008 11:01:36 GMT -5
Like you guys (and probably every viewer!), I loved Those Last Five Minutes. JA proves time and time again what an amazing actor he is.
If Ruby were played by a better actress I suspect I would feel differently about the character. As it is, I don't feel much suspense from her because she doesn't really seem either heart-of-gold OR dangerous to me, so I just default to assuming she'll stick with the boys, and also wouldn't be overly surprised if she didn't.
The actor who plays Uriel, meanwhile, makes one badass angel. I finally read the Wikipedia entry on Uriel this morning, and thought I'd share a little of it here (emphasis mine; I thought it was interesting given the show's recent episodes and given recent comparisons on here of Dean to Abraham):
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 21, 2008 13:52:24 GMT -5
Anna is actually an angel. That's interesting. I didn't see that coming. And she Fell. So Lucifer and his peeps aren't the only ones who did that.
I loved Dean and Anna's conversation about being human vs being an angel.
Hmm, what does kill and angel, I wonder?
The demons and the angels meeting up like that was the plan all along? I think I missed some clue about that along the way.
So Hell is Room 101 a la 1984. Sounds about right.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 21, 2008 14:12:11 GMT -5
Copied from my lj: For me, a mixed bag. I loved some of it, liked some of it and disliked some of it. Still not as strong as the first three episodes but maybe we won't ever get back there. Still Jensen owns me. I was sobbing as that scene played out. Oh Dean. Things I loved: Dean sharing the story of Hell. Sam's quiet, strong support in the background. And you know, that scene really took away some of the separation I've had with Sammy this season. That scene was such a wonderful portrayal of the deep, intertwined, loving bond the brothers have. I cried and I ached for Dean. Pam. Blind but still snarky. I loved her from the ass grab to the looking at my rack moment. Can we please give her some eyes again somehow? I loved her. Dean confronting Uriel. Awesome. Dean whacking Alastair to save Castiel. Things I liked: Dean having sweet sex though this also is going to go into things I don't like. Ruby bringing the snark. "I am watching her." Ruby is alot less annoying when she is bringing the snark. Castiel. Castiel likes Dean. Castiel and his hot eyes of sad torment. Bobby. I know there was no Bobby but they were in his awesome house and there was the great line from Dean about him. The boys working together to bring Godzilla and Mothra together. Dean's pain and face as he acknowledged he chose Sammy. Of course he did but he hated that he did. Things I disliked: Where were the flaming swords and magic power and buildings being blown apart and bodies flinging about. I find the fists a bit weinie. I get that Alastair was a powerful demon and couldn't be taken out by the Uriel eyes of flame but . . . . I found the fight between Alastair and Castiel a bit boring. Alastair's accent. I'm not sure what the actor was going for but it came off more affected than scary. Ruby seems to be a full fledged scooby now. And I'm not sure how I feel about that. I was honestly hoping that when she summoned Alastair that we were going to see that they were working together and her hidden agenda would come to light. Things I hated: Titanic hand of passion? Seriously? It took the sweetness out of that scene (and I get that it was angelsex but I would have liked a little more passion. Still I get that Anna was having her last bit of nookie and Dean was still massively hurting so I don't mind the sweetness) But the hand? Why Kripke why? Torture porn. This scene was useless. Hey look - demon is almost naked. Hey look, big knife and lots of moaning. Hey look - me adopting my darkWillow bored now face. The grace? In a vial? Tracking it by meteor sightings? Sorry, this didn't work for me. Granted I did endure Nicholas Cage falling from Heaven for Meg Ryan so maybe I'm comparing scenes in my mind but what? Her body got all melty and she ripped sparkly stuff out of her and threw it somewhere and then became melty or something and jumped into her mom's womb? Nah - none of this worked. I didn't guess she was an angel. I was actually expecting her to be Lucifer's daughter which duh on me I guess. Still scarred by Rosemary's baby. Hee! So overall I enjoyed it. Not enthralled but the Ackles tears had me huddled on my couch sobbing. At this point, it seems like Ruby is going to be one of the good guys and I feel like a hypocrite because I was all for Spike joining the Scubies. So I have to learn to like her I guess. But January? ARGH! There was a lot to love in this episode. The scene in the end was fantastic. All three angels were great. Loved Pam coming back. For some reason I thought that she had actually died, so I'm happy that she's still alive and in good spirits. I feel like the sex scene was missing some oomph. I feel like I should have been more moved by it than I actually was. And I couldn't help going to a Titanic place either, except the vibe was totally different and so the reference didn't really apply. Ruby. Hmm, Ruby. I was sort of neutral to her last season. Still neutral about her this season. Watching more closely, I'm not really finding the new actress to be any better or worse than the new one. I just don't have a bead on the character and I kind of think it should be clearer by now. Or maybe I'm looking for depth that's just not there. Alastair's accent didn't really bother me. Maybe I wasn't really paying attention, but wasn't it the actors real accent? It sounded just the way he sounded in Shawshank Redemption. The Angel-Demon fight really worked for me. I thought it was a great blend of realism and the supernatural. I also thought the details of how Anna Fell were really neat; I liked how grace was something tangible like with Peter Pan and his shadow. The torture porn.... yeah. That does nothing to help the whole treatment of women problem on this show, but I'm just sort of rolling with it at this point.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 21, 2008 14:13:49 GMT -5
Like you guys (and probably every viewer!), I loved Those Last Five Minutes. JA proves time and time again what an amazing actor he is. If Ruby were played by a better actress I suspect I would feel differently about the character. As it is, I don't feel much suspense from her because she doesn't really seem either heart-of-gold OR dangerous to me, so I just default to assuming she'll stick with the boys, and also wouldn't be overly surprised if she didn't. The actor who plays Uriel, meanwhile, makes one badass angel. I finally read the Wikipedia entry on Uriel this morning, and thought I'd share a little of it here (emphasis mine; I thought it was interesting given the show's recent episodes and given recent comparisons on here of Dean to Abraham): Uriel is the Angel of Sunday and Castiel is the Angel of Thursday. Does that mean anything?
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