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Mad Men
May 17, 2008 22:14:29 GMT -5
Post by Squeemonster on May 17, 2008 22:14:29 GMT -5
Grab your martini glass, light up a cigarette, and indulge in the fragile innocence and dark truths of Manhattan in the 1960's.
This thread is for discussion of any, all, and only those episodes and previews of Mad Men which have already aired. No spoilers allowed! Those who post spoilers will be forced to suffer nicotine withdrawals while watching a marathon of this series. Trust me, it would be torture.
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Mad Men
May 22, 2008 21:04:04 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on May 22, 2008 21:04:04 GMT -5
Yay! Now that we have a Mad Men thread, I can post my "re-watch of season 1" thoughts. Well, at least the ones I can find. __________________________________________ Season 1 - Episode 2: Ladies Room Peggy touring the office with Paul, talking about how's she's figured things out already - which set of people get to tell which other groups of people what to do. And this conversation . . . Paul: (Out of the blue, she didn't ask about this.) You know, there are women copywriters. Peggy: Good ones? Paul: Sure. I mean, you can always tell when a woman's writing copy, but sometimes she just might be the right man for the job. Then, later in the ep, Paul gets her alone in his office and grabs her. She turns him down (using his offered excuse of "there's someone else") and then even later is angry and shaken and hostile - asking Joan why all the men here feel like they can just make these kind of assumptions about the women. So, did Peggy want to become a copywriter right from the start, maybe even when she applied for the secretarial job? Did the conversations and experiences shown in this ep give her the idea or solidify her desire to do something different at the company? Why did Paul bring up women copywriters? She didn't bring it up, from what we see, so what hint or vibe did he get from her? Given his later action, was it just a way to make her feel like he saw her as more "interesting" than the other "girls" in the office, implying that this is why he likes her? ________________________________________________ Season 1 - episode 3: Marriage of Figaro What really struck me this time? That my impression of this being Don's ep, where we see all the various sides of Don, was right. From the opening scene with the guy on the train we get to peel off the various onion layers of Don. Like: * Don who is really Dick Whitman * hardass ad man Don, chastising his workers for not doing very well * Don that hates Pete * charming, flirty Don * Don who can work magic on a client, proving why he has the job he has and is considered a genius, in case you were starting to wonder * married but very very willing to cheat Don * bold, forceful lover (or rather attempted lover) Don * family man Don * disillusioned family man Don * existencial angst Don * man with secrets, shall I run away from them Don
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May 22, 2008 21:07:23 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on May 22, 2008 21:07:23 GMT -5
More of my re-watch of season 1 thoughts . . .
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Season 1 Episode 6 - Babylon
What did I particularly notice this time around? How often they showed us layers to each of the female characters that were not what we would have expected. * Betty is much more sexual than we'd realized * Joan is not just sleeping with Roger, but she's the one who's not wanting to make it more structured or permanent, pushing him back when he wants her more to himself * We can see the moment when Peggy gets her "basketful of kisses" idea, see how she is looking at this "brainstorming session" differently than the other women * Joan is not afraid or cowed by the stern research woman and is also perfectly aware that the guys are watching through a mirror and works that to her advantage * Roger's daughter is feisty and independent and "like him" * Rachel not only doesn't fall for Don's charm and doesn't begin an affair with him right away as he obviously wants, she maintains a power position and also confounds his attempt to box her into being his "expert on all things Jewish"; not to mention rather calmly and logically discussing the pros and cons of him as a possibility for her with her sister, albeit hiding his acutal identity and the fact that he is married * Don's girlfriend/mistress (Midge, I think?) is actually interested in another guy as well, one we meet for the first time in this ep, and not really trying that hard to hide her other interestes from Don
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Season 1, Episode 11 – Indian Summer
Things I noticed in particular when watching this time? Complex layers of hierarchy and hidden information! The whole ep is like a big spider web, with all sort of threads attached to other threads and virtually no one is able to see the whole thing. (Although I have my suspicions about Cooper, especially considering his conversation with Pete and Don in the next ep!)
Roger’s health status is being concealed from clients because of the fear of how they would react, due to his importance/status at the company. Rachel is hiding her relationship with Don from her family (and not just because he’s married but also because he’s not Jewish) just as much as he’s hiding the relationship from his wife and everyone. We hear discussions with the cigarette client about how long the reports about health problems can be delayed or hidden, including casual mention of inside information from important contacts on the governmental committees doing the investigation. Peggy “gets another client” and tries to impress her date with her accomplishments and new status, along with emphasis on how she is now different than the other “girls” in the office. Peggy uses the visit by the salesman not only to test Don’s level of jealousy, but also to increase her status with her neighbor – “he’s very protective”. (Although I suspect her neighbor has a different view on the matter.) Pete is soooo jealous of Don’s increasing status at the company and we see him get the secret information he’ll try to blackmail Don with in the next ep.
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May 22, 2008 21:17:41 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on May 22, 2008 21:17:41 GMT -5
More re-watch thoughts that I managed to find! ________________________________________ Season 1, Episode 12 – Nixon Vs. Kennedy Things I noticed in particular when watching this time? Well, obviously how they are comparing the political election with the office politics at Sterling-Cooper. But also I really noticed how what they were actually talking about was power, not the politics itself at all. Which, being a good Buffy watcher, I know it always comes back to power. Well, that and blood. I got the vibe that this ep, which is all about election night, was showing us how many of the characters didn’t actually care about politics or politicians at all, beyond a very surface level. Most particularly, I noticed the matching scenes with Cooper. First, we see him pretty much dismissing Nixon’s loss as unimportant, even though the agency had been angling to get the advertising business for his campaign and everyone at the company had been talking about how important it is that Nixon get in rather than Kennedy, etc. Once it’s a done deal, however, Cooper (who’d earlier been the guy pushing them to get behind Nixon) pretty much says “who cares” about the winner and is already moving on. The matching second scene, of course, is the amazing one at the end of the ep, when Pete tries his power play, making good on his blackmail threat to tell Cooper that Don is lying about his identity. And Cooper does his wonderful “even if it’s true, who cares” speech to the both of them. Earlier, of course, we also get the wonderfully hideous office party after the bosses have left, Peggy’s tearful and bitter rant to Don about how “innocent people get hurt and other people do whatever they want – it’s not fair”, as well as Don’s panic induced attempt to get Rachel to run way with him. Add in the “bargain shopping” for Roger’s replacement and the theme of power just really leaps out at me in this ep. Power. Who has it, who doesn’t, who is afraid of someone else’s power, etc. Just goes to show Buffy is always right. _____________________________________________ Season 1, Episode 13 - The Wheel Ah, the final ep of this first (short) season. The one with the amazing scene of Don visualizing/creating the amazing pitch for the Carousel from the rather more mundane creation of a slide show wheel. And I was re-stunned by that scene all over again. But, what was my big main impression from the entire ep? What really stood out to me on re-watch? When I watched my first ep, one of my main thoughts was "it's The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit"! I mean, not really. Because the characters are different, the story is different, even the historical time is slightly different. But at the same time, it is. And this ep brought me back to that feeling. Because it's all about the pull between work and family. Work versus family, work combining, or not, with family. We have Pete's in-laws pushing for grandkids, suggesting Pete is paying too much attention to work and yet virtually bribing him into starting a family with their daughter by helping him land an account. We have Harry sleeping in the office, his marriage/family feeling the disruption from his ill-fated one night stand from a previous ep. We have Don's family once again taking a back seat to the agency, only now he is disturbed by the idea. In addition to using the theme of a loving family for his ad pitch, he compares his fantasy of coming home to a bustling home full of family to the reality of a dark and empty house, too late to join them for their holiday family trip. ETA: And of course Liz pointed out how the ending with Peggy giving birth and not wanting to acknowledge the baby also fits this theme. And dude, it sooo does. Heck, she actually leaves work, not feeling well (unknowingly pregnant and going into labor), on the day when she gets her promotion and moves into shared office and new job as a writer. Work, meet unintended family!
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May 24, 2008 12:51:42 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:51:42 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts on the first season, episode by episode.
Season 1, Episode 1: Smoke Gets in Your Eyes
I loved the period feel. The attitudes were certainly nauseating, but I think that writers are making a point about it. And it's set in 1960, which means that a lot of those attitudes are about to be seriously challenged.
I definitely thought there was an HBO feel to it (at one point something was blipped out which I guess means it's going to be uncensored in the DVD release?), but I thought that it was a great thing. Definite focus on quality of the show and story-telling there.
I felt sorry for all the actors dealing with all that smoke too. Even if they're only herbal cigarettes, that's gotta be a pain.
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May 24, 2008 12:52:10 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:52:10 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 2: Ladies Room
The biggest thing to me in this episode was recognizing that ultimately, women are the consumers, even when an item, like the deodorant, is for men. All this "what do women want," and it never once occurs to the guys that there are 50 women outside door and maybe, if you really want to know you could ASK THEM?!
It also adds another layer to the gender politics of it all if the men are creating advertisements to specifically appeal to women.
Because of the recent troubles with James, when Betty's hands got numb I immediately thought of MS, but I don't know whether that disease was recognized at that time or not.
WRT the red, there is/was this really sketchy guy in Band (in his 30s, but didn't look it) who was always flirty in an uncomfortable way with a lot of the women, including the undergraduates. I don't think he was really a predator; I think he just thought he was being really, really nice. But we girls always took care to warn the newbies about him, especially the dollies; at one point we even took to requesting rides and such on the women's only mailing list rather than the main one just so we wouldn't have to deal with him offering.
There was more I wanted to discuss, but I forget. I'm going to rewatch it now.
I thought it was interesting that what's her name said that; that and her comments about going out for lunch and what not showed her to have a real street smarts, in a manner of speaking. No matter how fucked up the system is, she's in control and she wanted to impart that upon the new girl. I liked that about her.
And the new girl is definitely into VK. But is that a lingering feeling due to sleeping with him, or did she develop a crush on him during the whole eight hours that she new him before that? I'd lean towards the former, but I still have no clear understanding why she decided to sleep with him in the first place.
Rewatching Mad Men:
I presume that the waiter was making caesar dressing at the very beginning? I've never seen anyone squeezing a lemon that way. Pretty cool.
I thought the optomistic vs pessimistic views of the future discussion was very interesting, particularly since we the audience knows what the future is for them. Also, Don took the pessimistic viewpoint with his underlings and the optomistic viewpoint with his boss.
WRT the ref to the Twilight Zone, my mom told me it was THE show to watch for my grandpa and his coworkers. The day after it aired, it was the prime topic of watercooler chitchat. She compared it to Lost in the amount of analysis and discussion it inspired.
Finally, I thought it was interesting to link The Godfather Trilogy and Mad Men together in the little ads they were running.
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May 24, 2008 12:52:47 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:52:47 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 3: Marriage of Figaro
Mad Men was great, but I there was a lot I didn't get. Was all Don's weird behavior just because he met that guy who knew him in the past? And yeah, I wasn't expecting him to have a totally different name either.
I really liked the switch to home movie cam during the party. I've seen film from when my parents were kids that looks just like that.
I was kind of hoping that other people could discuss the episode so it would make more sense to me.
Rewatching Mad Men
This is the first time I really paid attention to the credits sequence. The office drops away, the suit in free fall, very cool and ominous.
The guy who knew Don as Richard Whitman was one of his army buddies. Huh.
Rachel: What do you do, just kiss women all the time even though you're married? Don: Yes! -I mean, no! NO!
I don't understand what Don's problem was when he went to wash his hands. The soap that was there wasn't good enough? Huh?
Madison Ave--> Mad Ave --> Mad Men. I get it now.
They played Marriage of Figaro during the party.
Divorcee Bishop, among other "faux pas," was the only women wearing pants.
I still don't understand what Don's problem was throughout the episode.
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May 24, 2008 12:53:13 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:53:13 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 4: New Amsterdam
interesting to see Peter's homelife.
And it seems like the divorcee is going to be Betty's gateway to wherever she's going.
The kid is interesting. I thought that it was going to turn out that he didn't talk at all until he did. Did he go into the bathroom just because he fancied Betty? Or what? Also, the lock of hair thing was interesting, particularly that Betty went along with it. I have the feeling that that's going to come back and bite her in the ass.
The plot thickens at the office. I love VKs acting.
Betty's outfit matched the couch in the therapy scene.
And we finally meet the Big Big Boss.
Lots about generational differences in this episode.
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May 24, 2008 12:54:01 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:54:01 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 5: 5G
Horseshoe turning upside down is bad luck, right?
Peggy is fancying up her wardrobe. And she's sneaky!
Don has a long lost brother! And family! From way back when, it seems. Does his family have some kind of social stigma? Like they are dirt poor or something? Or maybe his dad was a criminal? I can't quite figure it out.
Love the music and the fade from his eye to his watch.
Rewatching Mad Men
I love the scene where Don and Betty come home from the awards dinner all tispy and then fall asleep in their fancy clothes and wake up late the next morning. They're so cute.
Peter was real sour grapes about the whole short story thing, wasn't he?
Joan really loves her job. Interesting. I think she has a lot of unofficial power (she's the white haired guy's secretary, right?). She pretty much seemed to be running the meeting.
ETA: And does it seem like Don is all squinty eyed all the time? Maybe that's it, his big secret is that he wore glasses as a kid!! LOL.
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May 24, 2008 12:54:38 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:54:38 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 6: Babylon
re: the previouslies I didn't get this before, but based on Don's mistress being part of the counter culture, who has different ideas about personal property, I'm thinking that either she or some one she knew stole the tv. Also explains why she was so cheerful about throwing it out the window.
What exactly did Don slip on? It looked like a toy of some kind.
Don slips and falls and has a fantasy/dream sequence. Yay fantasy dream sequences!!! This show is going to have fantasy dream sequences from time to time!!!
Interesting conversation about Joan Crawford and aging was very interesting. Made me think of Brave New World. And also my own feelings about aging. Um, in the sense that mine aren't that extreme.
How long ago did Betty's mom die? That detail's slipped my mind.
"That's because you got caught cheating." Hmm... How much does Betty suspect about Don's affair(s)?
Betty lives for being with Don. How very sad and empty. And yet, is there something more to her saying that than just expressing their feelings?
The topical issue of the week is Israel. Excellent.
Sterling & Cooper is more traditional "glamorous" than the Jewish firm. OK.
Exodus
So Joan isn't White Hair's secretary. She must just manage the steno pool. Though that doesn't explain why she was running that meeting in the last episode.
White Hair's daughter's "only dated two boys." "one of them joined the service and the other one committed suicide." I can't imagine why she's not eager to date again or go to college or work. And what, is he seriously trying to pimp his daughter out?
White Hair is having an affair with Joan!!! Whoa. I can't say I'm surprised, but if there were any clues in previous episodes, I totally missed them. Also, I wonder the affair is the reason she has her job, or if it didn't start until after she was in that position.
"If we leave this lunch alone it'll take over Europe." Hee.
"Food this close to the bed reminds me of the hospital." Me thinks Joan has bad memories of hospitals.
"I wish I knew what you wanted, Joanie." Again with the "what do women want?" Um, she just told you, dude. Pay attention.
Peter wants to go for the danger angle again. Interesting. It will be a really funny running gag if he keeps this up. It also suggests something very disturbing about his psyche.
Betty one of Betty's childhood friends was Jewish. That explains why she slightly chastised one of the other housewives
It's hot and I have to read this book about the desert.
Howard Johnson's has ice cream? I mean, it's restaurant, so I'm not surprised, but I didn't know they were known for having a lot of flavors.
The one way mirror. Wow and ugh. Did this ever really happen?
And Peggy doesn't wear any makeup at all. Aside from the minimal amount required for television.
"The mirror could be your best friend, or your worst enemy." Great double-speak.
God, Rachael rocks. Love the way she handled the lunch.
Conversation between Peggy and the lipstick rep while Joan looks on. Very interesting. Does Peggy have some kind of intentional plan or is she just blundering her way into an opportunity?
Now the guys are voyeurizing Peggy, but without a one way mirror.
Rachael's dad isn't dead!?
So Peggy gets to write copy, but she doesn't get paid extra for it. Probably won't get credit either. Uh-huh.
And we get our first exposure to a different sub-culture in the show. Very refreshing. I wonder if this is what Don's mistress referred to as "spending the night abroad" in whatever episode that was.
"Broadway's the birthplace of mediocrity." Um, ok then.
the closed captions said "speaking jewish."
Love the shot of Don through the crook of his mistress's arm.
Great montage and final shot.
Is the blond guy the closeted gay guy?
I find it interesting that Don seems to genuinely care for Betty, Rachael, and his mistress. In different ways to be sure, but it's not like he's completely lost interest in his wife and consequently taken up an affair. This is different.
I hope that Joan plays White Hair for everything he's worth. Not sure if she will. Need more data.
Comparing Don's and White Hair's affairs is very interesting. Don suddenly seems to me like Tevye in Fiddler On The Roof, who is all about maintaining tradition, when it was he himself who took the first steps towards social change.
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May 24, 2008 12:55:09 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:55:09 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 7: Red in the Face
"Emotions of a child" GRR ARGH.
What is it about Nixon and pianos?
"The ones with the best product are the worst client." Interesting.
"goodnight, peanut." Huh?
That thing, where Peggy responded when White Hair when he wasn't talking to her. I do that all the time. D'Oh.
Ah, the old volunteering your wife trick.
Don drops his "g's" I've never noticed that before, and I don't know what that means.
Interesting war stories
Roger coming on to Betty....EWWWWWWW!!!!! And is there some history there or not? Cause it kinda seemed like it.
Don giving instructions to White Hair as he was leaving. Funny, yet not at the same time. Actually, I'm kind of surprised these people aren't dead yet.
Tension between Don and Betty. I...was not expecting that. Yikes.
"Mildred" huh?
"at some point, we've all parked in the wrong garage."
The chip and dip just gets funnier and funnier. And the scene at Returns was great. And now the office clowns have a new toy. This is not going to be good.
Kennedy and the Catholic thing.
He doesn't even wear a hat. And that's what we're dealing with. And that's the good old boys folly.
Conflict between Pete and his wife. So, the chip and dip wasn't a duplicate? And why exactly did Pete return it then?
What is Don going to ask the bellhop?
About hunting. Pete's mountain man fantasy Nostalgia? Dissatisfaction with his urban lifestyle?
Divorcee found Betty's locke of hair. That was interesting.
Eating an oyster is like eating a mermaid. Really?
Some slashiness between Don and Roger. What with the "dancing" together, being on the "Roger diet" and "let's talk about true love" all. Don doesn't like milk. OK, I can't take it anymore. Wow.
The divorcee is "so selfish." Uh-huh.
Betty's sexual awakening?
This was what Don paid the bellhop for, putting the elevator out of service? Because?
And they just walk past the couple making out.
Ah, that's why. To one-up Roger. Also wasn't expecting that from Don.
Lots about youth, generational differences in this episode.
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May 24, 2008 12:55:36 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:55:36 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 8: The Hobo Code
I had stream of consciousness notes, but I lost them. Gah!
Lemme try to remember what I wrote.
Lots about codes in this episode. People seemed to be talking in code at certain points. Salvatore and the Travelling Salesman. And the Hobo Code.
Everyone seems a couple seconds away from jumping off a building.
I still don't see what Peggy sees in Pete.
I love the switchboard girls. I want to see more of them.
Flashbacks!!!! So, Don is a "whore's child." Does that mean his mother is actually his mother, he's just illegitimate?
Don's conversation with the Hobo makes his fascination with his mistress make a lot more sense.
The office party was so cute. Pete was being real sour grapes.
Love the party More about materialism. Don can "pass" through the cops, and "pass" in general.
Ah, the Travelling Salesman and the Hobo. Wanderers.
ETA: Oh, and I love the bellhop.
And the janitor watching Pete and Peggy's silhouettes as they're having sex. LOL.
Oh, that reminds me, another thought I had while I was watching the episode was that maybe Pete and Peggy ought to start their own ad agency together.
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May 24, 2008 12:56:04 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:56:04 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 9: Shoot
Hmm. This beginning is kind of ominous. I’m expecting something catastrophic to happen any minute.
Other ad companies want Don.
Betty was a model. Explains a little what she was talking about liking the way men look at her, etc. Is that how she and Don met?
Coke campaign.
“he basically said [the guy] was trying to sleep with one of us and he didn’t like either idea.” Hmm.
Yep, modeling was how Betty and Don met.
Wow, that’s a short dress.
Sterling Cooper is a Mom and Pop, other company is international.
Pan Am. Heh heh.
So is this other company a real live company?
Sounds like Betty’s mom wasn’t all that good for her.
And called her a prostitute?! Youch!
Betty talks back to the therapist! Yay, except I don’t think she’s in the right.
She wanted me to be beautiful so I could find a man. Nothing wrong with that, but then what?
The Spanish-speaking vote.
Clients come and go.
Thinking that women will hate Jackie O.
Betty wants to get back into modeling
I would think one hour of the Sterling-Cooper switchboard would be a Russian novel. Hee.
About Don’s possible move to McCann Ericson
Peggy dressed in Joan’s dressed. Oh dear.
Reminiscing over college/frat days.
Kennedy and Nixon buying up airtime like an arms race. Pete’s got the right idea.
Oh, the dog Don brought home.
Kennedy on tv vs Kennedy on the Radio
Pete’s being a real asshole to his secretary.
Don decides to stay. I wonder if he has another reason for staying in a smaller firm. Not wanting to attract attention or something.
So Betty’s not going to get anymore modeling contracts because Don rejected the offer. Ain’t that just the way?
Conflict between Joan and Peggy “First girl to do writing since the war.”
Paul? Who’s Paul?
Catfight! Catfight! I love Peggy standing up to Joan. Boo-yah!
This isn’t China. There’s no money in virginity.
Whoa! Pete! And he’s such a little guy compared to the Office Clowns. And was he defending Peggy’s honor or what? And Don and Roger walk out without commenting,
Betty spins it like she didn’t want to work rather than tell the truth that they didn’t want her anymore.
I would have given anything to have had a mother like you.
Betty’s shooting the birds because…
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May 24, 2008 12:56:34 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:56:34 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 10: Long Weekend
Lots of mention in the previouslies about body image.
Grandpa and Aunt Gloria. This is Betty’s family? Yep
Grandpa is diabetic
“Friend” Gloria. So what happened to Betty’s mom?
Housekeeper vs. wife.
Kennedy. Oh. My. God. This Kennedy ad is obnoxious.
Catchy like it gets into your head and makes you want to blow your brains out. My thoughts exactly!
President is a product. Don’t forget that.
And here’s Nixon’s ad.
Message received and forgotten.
You people are not watching enough television.
Women want a womanizer?
Nixon: the Abe Lincoln of California.
Labor Day Weekend.
A *white* elevator operator.
The Apartment. And Psycho. It’s crude; that’s the way movies are now.
Oh, Rachael’s dad isn’t dead. I thought she inherited the store from him.
Renovation of the store like a movie premiere
Developing new tastes.
Why would I want to own a store I wouldn’t want to shop in?
The self-made man
Rachael also tells Don not to screw it up.
Carol’s not in good shape.
Joan has a different attitude with Carol than she did with Peggy.
This city’s everything.
The day you sign a client is the day you start losing them
I’m guessing this was a VERY big account they lost. Won’t be good considering that the firm is already skirting financial trouble.
Roger getting a hair cut in his office. A personal barber? Or some one who charges extra to cut hair as you work?
Roger doesn’t know where Don is from.
Roger repeats Don’s line about losing a client. Or is it the other way around?
Then Don takes the opposite position. At least the second time we’ve seen this reversal. Interesting.
Work so hard to give families fabulous lives so the men can live it up here. How very Seven Year Itch.
Tension between Pete and Peggy. Peggy holds her own. Good girl. OK, Peggy rocks. But why did it take so long for her to grow a backbone or what?
Doublemint Twins? Oh, for double sided aluminum. Groan. And Roger picked those twins out of all of them because…? Oh. And with women at least half their age. Ugh.
Lesbian Twins. Every guys’ fantasy. *eyeroll*
Ooh, that black dress. Joan really is stunning.
Carol confesses her love. And her creepy stalkerness. And Joan was totally oblivious.
Roger plays out his midlife crisis again some more.
Margaret hasn’t laughed since she was seven.
Wanted to name his daugher Margot like the wine.
These men Joan brings home aren’t particularly attractive.
Roger has a heart attack.
Minions clean up after the big guys mess.
Dairy was prescribed as a treatment for ulcers? I guess that’s sort of make sense, except that makes his cholesterol go through the roof.
Family reunion while Don looks on.
Joan really does care for Roger. Does Cooper know about Joan and Roger?
Pot roast with ketchup.
Eisenhower on Nixon.
Don and Rachael.
Don was a pallbearer. It gave him status.
Don breaks down.
And Rachael gives in. Dammit.
Cooper does know about Joan and Roger. Don’t waste your youth on age.
Truth about Don’s origins (or the truth as he knows it) His mom was a prostitute who died in childbirth. Dad died when Don was 10. So the parents we see in the flashbacks weren’t even his parents, but the wife had some compassion I guess. And it makes perfect sense that the husband would totally resent this.
Wow, there was so much to this episode.
And... is that all there is to Don's past? Cause I can see how he'd want to evade his past by changing his name and all, but I don't see the urgency of doing so. I wonder if there's something more.
And I can't even begin to mention the number of movie references there were in the episode.
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May 24, 2008 12:57:11 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 24, 2008 12:57:11 GMT -5
Season 1, Episode 11: Indian Summer
Brother mailing a package to Don. And he commits suicide. Whoa!
Peggy talking to her mom. Does she have a love interest back home she’s trying to avoid?
So who else knows about Roger and Joan.
Weight loss machine.
False advertising.
Letting Peggy write more copy.
OK, now I’m worried that Peggy is going to electrocute herself with this thing. Or not. Hee! It’s hard to put into words. Double hee!
Trying to explain the machine to Don. I’m cracking up here.
Door to door salesman. A very attractive door to door salesman.
Lucky Strike again.
Rachael and her sister
The one where he gets her pregnant and then he kills her. You do not want to be that woman. No, that would not be one of my choices either.
Again with the Don lashing out at Betty.
Roger comes back to work. All the guys are wearing matching suits.
Giving Roger more color.
NeighborFriend had her baby.
Don’s reaction to the traveling salesman was “being protective”
The how to sell cigarettes quandary again.
Roger having more chest pains.
The office clowns prepare to jump ship.
Peggy’s lunch date.
Peggy smokes. (Does she really, or is that just in front of this guy) “It’s practically mandatory in our office.” Ha!
Do all these seems take place I the same restaurant or do all the restaurants just look alike?
This is an incredibly awkward lunchtime conversation.
Whether advertising works.
Peggy really has filled out a little, hasn’t she?
Don’s conversation with the psychiatrist.
Peggy presents the product.
“give it to one of the girls.” Peggy is moving up in the world, so she’s no longer one of the girls.
Pleasure of a man without the man.
How to market the product.
The guy’s actually treated Peggy better than I thought. I guess no matter how sexist they are, they’re not going to deny talent when it serves to their advantage.
Betty gets the vibration from the dryer. That’s AWESOME!
Peggy as one of the guys. Yep. So the guys resolve that conflict by not seeing Peggy as a woman.
Don is made partner.
Beware the nonconformist.
Peggy gets a raise.
Pete places his glass on Peggy’s chair. What does that mean exactly?
The package. That Don won’t see because he knocked off work early. Pete takes it, and will he discover Don’s secrets because of it?
And Peggy uses the machine. Hee!
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