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Sept 26, 2010 19:07:27 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Sept 26, 2010 19:07:27 GMT -5
Don and Doc Faye! Sexy-fun times! “I’m taking everything interesting with me.” Oh, snap! Joan’s husband officially called up to Viet Nam. Damn! “It’s a business of sadist and masochist. And you know which one you are.” (And she would know all about that, wouldn’t she? ) I love the cheek tongue bit. Nicely made point. Ah, and here comes Abe again. Flirtage! PJ Joan!! Adorable!!! And the “friend” who sent the masseuses was Roger, I’m betting. Would you have known about the policies of the companies you create ads for, Peggy? Would you have asked or would your co-workers have cared? “Certainly we would try and stop this. If it’s true, it’s not good for their business.” “Civil rights isn’t a situation to be fixed with a PR campaign.” (Well, actually, you can make people aware of issues and educate them with an ad campaign, but this is probably not a point to be making right now . . .) Peggy makes some good points, but of course they are tied to her feelings of how “if I could make it, why can’t others just try as hard as I did”. And he is only joking a little with his “OK, we’ll have a civil rights march for women”, but he does think the idea is funny. Not an uncommon way many “revolutionaries” reacted to the idea of other kinds of discrimination. “I’m much better on paper.” “You’re opinionated. And you’re criticizing me.” True and true and true all round. Because there is deep and thoughtful discussion between people. And there’s soapbox speeches in which the other is just supposed to ooh and ahh and agree. And there’s something in-between those two. “She’s pushy, that one. I guess that’s what it takes.” Yup. You’ve actually summed it up well. “It’ll be OK.” “People love to say that.” Well, at least Abe’s still in there trying. But has he ever thought of trying to connect with Peggy as a person instead of only through ideas? Talk about himself, ask about her, etc.? Is it ‘where the pros go’ versus ‘everyone’s welcome’? Make a decision and go for it. (Also, nice mirror to the boycott thing. Is everyone welcome?) “I offered you money and said thanked you? What more do you want?” Yeah, that’s our Don. **eyeroll** Oooooooh, Don’s gonna have to deal with his daughter? Hmmmm. So, who’s he gonna try to press into service to take care of her, eh? I mean, I do empathize with the fact that he’s trying to work here. I had the same empathy for Peggy too. It’s hard to be at work and have people expect that you will/can just drop everything for them. On the other hand, your daughter basically running away to see you is more of a “you have to deal with this” thing than just the guy who is interested in you stopping by and insisting you, right now, read his manifesto on why what you do sucks. “You’re not supposed to be insulted, you’re supposed to be flattered.” Ah, there’s the problem right there. IDA!! Whoa! “Get a man. And a blanket.” And they still continue the meeting, hoping no one turns around. OMG!! Compromise in the meeting and Ida is rolled out. Eeeeep!! “I’d have my secretary do it, but she’s dead.” There’s a bit of ‘she’s female, so she can handle this, right?’ to this request, I’m thinking. “I don’t want to die in this office. … If it looks like I’m going, open a window, I’d rather flatten on top of a cab.” “She died like she lived. Surrounded by the people she answered phones for.” Some excellent black humor in this ep. “Every time I think back, all the good stuff was with you.” Awww. The man can say pretty things can’t he? I mean, when he’s not busy being an asshole or a bullshitter or a dick. Robbed!! Kissing!! Fear and adrenaline and relief-based dirty alley sexing!!! Oooooooooh!! Poor Sally. Grass is always greener when you don’t actually live on the other side of the fence, hon. On the other hand, it might do both of them some good if he was forced to rearrange his life to let her live with him. It’s not Mrs. Butterworth’s, it’s rum . . . “Is it bad?” “Not really.” HA!!!! Born in barn, died in a skyscraper. She’s an astronaut. It’s a nice thought, but not really. Then again, will an obit ever really give you the full flavor of a person? Meagan is gonna be Don’s secretary? Well, I get the vibe that she’s good, so hopefully she’ll last. I am enjoying this more “adult” vibe we keep getting off of Don. Although I realize it is exactly why the guys in the office are making fun of him so much. But frankly, it’s far more attractive when compared to their 5th grade senses of humor. They don’t want help with their image in the south. And Peggy gets it spelled out to her, what their job is. And, again, I have to like Don’s more straight-forward harsh attitude over the other guy’s jokey side-stepping. Sometimes we have to do things we don’t want to do. Damn, Sally is very very angry and very very stubborn and very very loud. “You shouldn’t have put me in that position.” “I don’t see it as a failure.” You, go, girl! “Gotta be their girl. The way they want it.” Being responsible for containing men. And they see things differently, but it’s OK. Well, that last framing shot of Joan and Peggy and Faye just says a lot.
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Mad Men
Sept 26, 2010 19:12:46 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Sept 26, 2010 19:12:46 GMT -5
Even though I know it wouldn't have worked with the narrative of last week's episode, I so wanted Don to rip Henry a new one when Henry said he would take the cost of storing Don's boxes out of the rent. Don could have shot back, "Then I'll double the rent!" Or even more passive aggressively, he could have just told Henry to toss whatever was left of his, he didn't really care. And, as was proved by throwing them in the dumpster, he *didn't* care about the contents of the boxes. That would be a little dig to Henry that he didn't want the cast-offs (including Betty) from his old life, and it would force Henry to go through the effort of disposing of Don's detritus. They're doing the kinds of snapping and petty grudge-holding that can happen after a divorce very well - it's painful to watch, which feels very true. And yeah, there are several jabs Don could have made back, including "then I guess I'll just need to have to evict you, since you've stayed well past when you were supposed to leave".
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Sept 26, 2010 22:23:14 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Sept 26, 2010 22:23:14 GMT -5
Joan preggers, and it's Roger's? Oooooooooooh!!! Heeee! Love Sally's hysteria over the Beetles. Heee! "Can't be mad at me if I wear earplugs." It's nice seeing both Don and Betty being nice to and about Sally. Lane's dad is here to "bring him home" and didn't bring Lane's son. This could be trouble, Lane. Using the kid as a weapon. Missiles and airplanes and Don will kill Harry if he doesn't produce those tickets. Interesting. Lane has really bonded with Don, asking him along to dinner with dad; as a buffer or reason to not have the kind of conversation his dad wants, I'm betting. OMG, they're at a Playboy club! And I even know that phrase "are you are key holder or is this a borrowed key" from the expose article that Gloria Steinem wrote about the lousy working conditions there. Hmmm. And he's totally fallen for that bunny, hasn't he? Department of Defense? Is this because of Francis or Don's ad work? Ah, Don. Background check on Don - and they're asking Betty? OMG, the fact that he's not really Don Draper is gonna come out, isn't it? "Do you have any reason to believe that Mr. Draper isn't who he says he is?" **cue dramatic music, duh duh DUH . . . .** OMG, when they both go into "what if the phone is bugged" fake talk? and **scary/sad** at the same time. Oh, Meagan - "If you want to fire me, I'd understand completely". Scared Don has definitely lost his cool. Oooooh, Lane is seeing her. Awwww. No wonder he doesn't want to leave. And yeah, bunnies could be fired back then for having a relationship with a customer. Of course, I also heard that the bosses closed their eyes if the customer was important, hell that they pushed/sort of forced her into a relationship (or just sex) if the customer was very important, . But I doubt Lane is that important. "Why do you have to be so damn dashing." (He really is a bit dashing, isn't he? Who'd have thought when he first arrived? ) Wow! Doctor really socks it to Roger! Ouch! Hee! I love how puffed up and happy Pete is about the security clearance thing and then his face just kind of falling as the meaning of what Don is getting at sinks in. ;D "You've been fine this long." "What are you going to do?" "What I have to." And what he always does when threatened - bolt. I like how this not only references things that happened in seasons past, but also that now Pete is among those needing to hide Don's past when before he was the one wanting to expose him. "Jesus! Greg dying is not a solution to this!" Oh, Roger! Yeah, I tend to think that this is Betty's number one reason for being with Francis, the fact that he is a "good" guy, an upright honest guy - "I don't want any secrets". Heeee! I love Don's "Are you crazy?!" to Pete. Yeah, there is no statute of limitations on desertion, dude. An emergency meeting to set up money for the kids. Yeah, I'd be wondering what was going on like the lawyer/money guy is wondering. "How old is your daughter." "Fifteen." Joan says. This ep is giving us layers like nobody's business. Wow! So, is Don gonna tell Faye what's going on? DAMN!! They're losing Lucky Strike? Damn!! 30 years. "After all lies I've told for you? You owe me that!" "I don't owe you squat. You inherited this account." DAMN! This really might kill Roger. And the army thing might just kill Don, too. He sooooooo needs to run. Run, Don! This is a panic attack Don. And you've got good reason to panic. Lane's daddy is a MEAN daddy! Bad daddy! Bad daddy!! Heeeee! Giant fluffy pregnant Trudy!! Heeee! Oh, Pete. Do you see yourself as one of the "honest" people dragged down by other's lies? **falls down laughing** Roger's gettin' some harsh truths about just how obsolete he's becoming. Hustling up new clients is easier if they're, you know, alive still. "I don't know what happened." "I think you do." Will he tell her? He does! Go,Don, with the almost complete honesty! "So I walk away from 4 million dollars and I just keep this to myself because, why? Because you can't live in the open?" I think with Lucky Strike gone the idea of passing on this client might not be so welcomed. Pete throws himself on the sword? Whoa!! Lane is knuckling to his dad and Roger is lying like a trooper himself. Everybody into the deception pool!!! Oh, Faye. "We'll figure out what to do." Yeah, Don's already decided what he's doing.
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Sept 28, 2010 4:05:23 GMT -5
Post by Michelle on Sept 28, 2010 4:05:23 GMT -5
Joan preggers, and it's Roger's? Oooooooooooh!!! And she's keeping it! But Roger's heart is giving out, so no one has to know that it's not Dr. Rapey's child. That's a little too pat for me, but I trust the Mad Men people, so we'll see how this unfolds. That was an unexpected bright spot to the show. I wonder if the director told the actress who plays Sally, "Pretend your dad told you that he's taking you to see the Jonas Brothers." Or Justin Bieber?? I don't know, I'm not up on these things. I had a flashback to the relationship Wesley had with his dad on Angel. Not pretty. Some of that seemed a bit clunky and soap-operish. It was interesting to see how Betty and Don fell back into the rhythm of old-marrieds. He even called her "Bets." That reminded me of when Joan fired a secretary who said "It wasn't my fault." when the flowers meant for Joan went to Lane's wife, and vice versa. And it wasn't her fault, as I recall, but apparently, that doesn't matter to Joan. So the secretary code in that office is to take the blame regardless. Scared Don has definitely lost his cool. Interesting! I didn't know that about the Playboy Club. And Lane is a bit dashing. And of course the guy who is an uptight penny-pincher at work is going to be the sloppy romantic after-hours. Yes! This! Yes! This! Yes! This! How hilarious was that??? How many takes did Vincent Kartheiser need to get through that scene without laughing? **laughs with you** It's funny how complicated his back story seems, and yet he's able to just tell her pretty much everything in one or two sentences. And all it elicits is a "My goodness" from her. As if she was told a slightly interesting piece of gossip or something, but nothing more. She handled Don pretty well, but I don't see them in a long-term relationship. Clearly they're showing that he'll move on to his secretary Megan, as much as I detest that idea. The whole business is going down in flames and none of them know it yet!! Lucky Strike is gone, NAA is gone (well, they all know that) and Lane is not coming back after his leave. Oh, and Joan is going to be on maternity leave in about six months. Wow, wow, wow.
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Sept 28, 2010 21:36:45 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Sept 28, 2010 21:36:45 GMT -5
Whoa. So. Much. Stuff. Going. On.!!! The only thing I saw coming was Don and his pretty secretary hooking up. Anyone else but me flash on Wesley and his father's relationship when Lane's daddy hit him with a cane? Damn. That was sad. Loved fluffy Trudy. I really love her character. She is a good foil for Pete.
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Mad Men
Sept 30, 2010 19:57:12 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Sept 30, 2010 19:57:12 GMT -5
Joan preggers, and it's Roger's? Oooooooooooh!!! And she's keeping it! But Roger's heart is giving out, so no one has to know that it's not Dr. Rapey's child. That's a little too pat for me, but I trust the Mad Men people, so we'll see how this unfolds. That was an unexpected bright spot to the show. I wonder if the director told the actress who plays Sally, "Pretend your dad told you that he's taking you to see the Jonas Brothers." Or Justin Bieber?? I don't know, I'm not up on these things. I had a flashback to the relationship Wesley had with his dad on Angel. Not pretty. Some of that seemed a bit clunky and soap-operish. It was interesting to see how Betty and Don fell back into the rhythm of old-marrieds. He even called her "Bets." That reminded me of when Joan fired a secretary who said "It wasn't my fault." when the flowers meant for Joan went to Lane's wife, and vice versa. And it wasn't her fault, as I recall, but apparently, that doesn't matter to Joan. So the secretary code in that office is to take the blame regardless. Scared Don has definitely lost his cool. Interesting! I didn't know that about the Playboy Club. And Lane is a bit dashing. And of course the guy who is an uptight penny-pincher at work is going to be the sloppy romantic after-hours. Yes! This! Yes! This! Yes! This! How hilarious was that??? How many takes did Vincent Kartheiser need to get through that scene without laughing? **laughs with you** It's funny how complicated his back story seems, and yet he's able to just tell her pretty much everything in one or two sentences. And all it elicits is a "My goodness" from her. As if she was told a slightly interesting piece of gossip or something, but nothing more. She handled Don pretty well, but I don't see them in a long-term relationship. Clearly they're showing that he'll move on to his secretary Megan, as much as I detest that idea. The whole business is going down in flames and none of them know it yet!! Lucky Strike is gone, NAA is gone (well, they all know that) and Lane is not coming back after his leave. Oh, and Joan is going to be on maternity leave in about six months. Wow, wow, wow. See, I was assuming that she did have the abortion. But I'm reading all sorts of comments by folks all over the place saying that they think she didn't. What did you see that made you think she is having the baby?OMG, I so totally had that same thought!!!!
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Post by Michelle on Oct 3, 2010 8:23:01 GMT -5
And she's keeping it! But Roger's heart is giving out, so no one has to know that it's not Dr. Rapey's child. That's a little too pat for me, but I trust the Mad Men people, so we'll see how this unfolds. That was an unexpected bright spot to the show. I wonder if the director told the actress who plays Sally, "Pretend your dad told you that he's taking you to see the Jonas Brothers." Or Justin Bieber?? I don't know, I'm not up on these things. I had a flashback to the relationship Wesley had with his dad on Angel. Not pretty. Some of that seemed a bit clunky and soap-operish. It was interesting to see how Betty and Don fell back into the rhythm of old-marrieds. He even called her "Bets." That reminded me of when Joan fired a secretary who said "It wasn't my fault." when the flowers meant for Joan went to Lane's wife, and vice versa. And it wasn't her fault, as I recall, but apparently, that doesn't matter to Joan. So the secretary code in that office is to take the blame regardless. Scared Don has definitely lost his cool. Interesting! I didn't know that about the Playboy Club. And Lane is a bit dashing. And of course the guy who is an uptight penny-pincher at work is going to be the sloppy romantic after-hours. Yes! This! Yes! This! Yes! This! How hilarious was that??? How many takes did Vincent Kartheiser need to get through that scene without laughing? **laughs with you** It's funny how complicated his back story seems, and yet he's able to just tell her pretty much everything in one or two sentences. And all it elicits is a "My goodness" from her. As if she was told a slightly interesting piece of gossip or something, but nothing more. She handled Don pretty well, but I don't see them in a long-term relationship. Clearly they're showing that he'll move on to his secretary Megan, as much as I detest that idea. The whole business is going down in flames and none of them know it yet!! Lucky Strike is gone, NAA is gone (well, they all know that) and Lane is not coming back after his leave. Oh, and Joan is going to be on maternity leave in about six months. Wow, wow, wow. See, I was assuming that she did have the abortion. But I'm reading all sorts of comments by folks all over the place saying that they think she didn't. What did you see that made you think she is having the baby?OMG, I so totally had that same thought!!!! I don't know for a fact, of course, but when they showed her riding home on the bus after her appointment, she had kind of a look of peace on her face, like she made a momentous decision and a new chapter of her life was unfolding. Also, Roger pointed out that it was strange that she came to work the very next day, and he's right, I don't think that she would have been up to working right away. There was not one hint of discomfort or pain on her face.
She's not ready to tell Roger the truth yet, but she did give a few hints: "Life goes on." and "I'm taking care of it."
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Oct 4, 2010 10:29:30 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Oct 4, 2010 10:29:30 GMT -5
See, I was assuming that she did have the abortion. But I'm reading all sorts of comments by folks all over the place saying that they think she didn't. What did you see that made you think she is having the baby?OMG, I so totally had that same thought!!!! I don't know for a fact, of course, but when they showed her riding home on the bus after her appointment, she had kind of a look of peace on her face, like she made a momentous decision and a new chapter of her life was unfolding. Also, Roger pointed out that it was strange that she came to work the very next day, and he's right, I don't think that she would have been up to working right away. There was not one hint of discomfort or pain on her face.
She's not ready to tell Roger the truth yet, but she did give a few hints: "Life goes on." and "I'm taking care of it." I agree - she's having the baby. Plus, the recovery would have been longer, especially back in those days. And...she isn't getting any younger, plus, her husband might not come back. And the look of peace on her face, like you said. It's interesting how almost every major character is effected by the presence or non-presence of children in their lives. I like how they include that aspect of society into the storyline, because it is sooooo important and is often left out or downplayed in many shows.
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Oct 4, 2010 10:33:27 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Oct 4, 2010 10:33:27 GMT -5
And she's keeping it! But Roger's heart is giving out, so no one has to know that it's not Dr. Rapey's child. That's a little too pat for me, but I trust the Mad Men people, so we'll see how this unfolds. That was an unexpected bright spot to the show. I wonder if the director told the actress who plays Sally, "Pretend your dad told you that he's taking you to see the Jonas Brothers." Or Justin Bieber?? I don't know, I'm not up on these things. I had a flashback to the relationship Wesley had with his dad on Angel. Not pretty. Some of that seemed a bit clunky and soap-operish. It was interesting to see how Betty and Don fell back into the rhythm of old-marrieds. He even called her "Bets." That reminded me of when Joan fired a secretary who said "It wasn't my fault." when the flowers meant for Joan went to Lane's wife, and vice versa. And it wasn't her fault, as I recall, but apparently, that doesn't matter to Joan. So the secretary code in that office is to take the blame regardless. Scared Don has definitely lost his cool. Interesting! I didn't know that about the Playboy Club. And Lane is a bit dashing. And of course the guy who is an uptight penny-pincher at work is going to be the sloppy romantic after-hours. Yes! This! Yes! This! Yes! This! How hilarious was that??? How many takes did Vincent Kartheiser need to get through that scene without laughing? **laughs with you** It's funny how complicated his back story seems, and yet he's able to just tell her pretty much everything in one or two sentences. And all it elicits is a "My goodness" from her. As if she was told a slightly interesting piece of gossip or something, but nothing more. She handled Don pretty well, but I don't see them in a long-term relationship. Clearly they're showing that he'll move on to his secretary Megan, as much as I detest that idea. The whole business is going down in flames and none of them know it yet!! Lucky Strike is gone, NAA is gone (well, they all know that) and Lane is not coming back after his leave. Oh, and Joan is going to be on maternity leave in about six months. Wow, wow, wow. See, I was assuming that she did have the abortion. But I'm reading all sorts of comments by folks all over the place saying that they think she didn't. What did you see that made you think she is having the baby?OMG, I so totally had that same thought!!!! Me, too! I even mentioned it here. Soooo Wesley/Daddy-like.
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Oct 10, 2010 19:36:17 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2010 19:36:17 GMT -5
Summer fun for Peggy! (And she looks adorable!) “You never stop talking.” Looks like the Lucky Strike news isn’t secret anymore. Let’s watch the nasty spread and the house of cards topple a bit. On the happy side, Trudy’s having the baby! Oh, Roger. Nice bit of acting, but are you really just digging yourself deeper? Time for the agency to sink or swim. It was always dangerous to have so much locked up in one client. Pete’s dad-in-law has secretly been waiting for/wanting the agency to go boom, hasn’t he? Enjoy yourself, Peggy! Roger, you lie so very very prettily. Heee! Bert and his stilted little speech. And Don with his inspirational rah rah. Love how Joan was standing with the folks giving the news rather than the ones getting it. And of course Peggy is all “I’m paying” for having fun. In this one thing, listen to Don – you’re not paying for anything! (I mean, don’t listen to him about virtually anything else, but listen on this.) Roger, you dick. Dumping all this on Joan. Mmmmm! Love sexy Peggy! And I love how guys who are trying to be all shocking about sex are always completely flabbergasted and can’t handle it when a woman isn’t shocked and instead just tackles the subject herself. ;D First additional client jumping ship and it’s Glo-coat? Damn!! Make your secretary responsible for your drinking level? Yeah, way to demonstrate self-control, dude. And then, of course, yell at Pete. Let’s totally forget how he threw himself on his sword for you just recently. I don’t believe for one moment that dad-in-law didn’t set it up to have Ted C come to the hospital. I’d beware of the offer, though, Pete. At least Don is a more straightforward bastard. I wouldn’t trust Ted further than I could throw him. Oh, Roger. “I need you” – for the moment. And go you, Joan, for tossing him out! I know it was hard, but he’s not the answer for you anymore than you’re the answer for him. “There’s only so much we can pretend to be doing.” HA! Messed up as Don is, he’s also a bit work-aholic-y this season too. You need to find life away from work, Don! Desperate Don is desperate. Asking Faye to forget her ethics? Not cool, Don! “I’d do it for you.” “I’d never ask!” Oh, snap! Someone got told! Stan, you are such an ass. Loved how she phrased it – “why do you keep making me reject you?” Don reams Roger out and this time promotes Pete. “He would have never let this happen.” And Roger does deserve scorn, but, to be completely fair, I don’t know if anyone could have saved Lucky Strike. Interesting comment from Bert. That Lee Jr never took Roger seriously because he didn’t take himself seriously. True dat. Although, I get the vibe that Lee Jr isn’t really running things at American Tobacco. Now – off to a funeral to do some business! **facepalm** All the business guys trying to say, thru stories about the guy being away from his family, that he loved his family. Can we say irony, people? Can we at least say "key theme"? Ha! Love that Peggy kicked ass with the presentation, even though Stan tried to set her up by not telling her about the lipstick. Wow. Megan is pretty straightforward herself. This wasn’t really a seduction by Don at all, was it? (Which we were all probably expecting.) More of a mutual needs-meeting thing. “I can’t make any mistakes right now.” “Let’s be clear. I’m not going to run out of here crying tomorrow. I just want you right now.” Roger comes home to his young wife who is “so proud” of him, and his vanity book. Hollow hollow man. And Don goes home to his girlfriend, who’s violated her ethics to get him a meeting. OY!!! “You didn’t have to do this.” (Except you asked / pressured / guilted her to.) “I wanted to.” (And he didn’t make you, you did choose to.)
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Oct 10, 2010 21:13:00 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2010 21:13:00 GMT -5
"There's a time for beans, and a time for ketchup." Food philosophy! But they're not ready to move right now and they aren't convinced the agency will still be there for the future. I like how many times the idea of being honest was brought up. Sally wanting to be all grown up, I see. Advisor guy suggests that cigarettes are still their best best. And gets them another meeting. Where they won't speak. Like a good girlfriend. **eyerolls** I like how we're getting all these snippets of staff reactions to what's going on with the agency. Psychiatrists are easy to fool. Hmmmm. I think you've got a good one, Sally, I'd listen to her over mixed-up Glen. MIDGE!! OMG!! MIDGE!! Married Midge still playing the "not quite a hooker" thing. ;D Go Fish therapy! Man, I like this doctor. "I said I'm very proud of you. Did you hear that?" Am I finally gonna get my threesome wish? Or is this gonna be straightforward prostitution? Because that's just boring, Don. Boring! I bet she won't even slap you. Ah!! They're junkies. Midge, Midge, Midge. You can do better, woman! Oh, Betty. "So, she's cured?" "Her life is chaotic." Yeah, it's more about you, Betty. Listen to this doctor saying that you need to talk to someone! It's sad that Betty can't ask for what she really needs, but I'm glad that this doctor gets what she's saying anyway and finds a way to help. Don gets pep talks and . . . the meeting won't happen. Everyone is taking the safe "let's see if you still exist 6 months from now" position. Guys, you gotta do something to stir it up, be dramatic and show them something innovative. Ha! I love everyone listening thru the wall! "You want the backwash?" Oh, Glen. Every the smooth talker. I like Sally being all existential and stuff. Listen to Peggy, Don. Change the conversation, change the direction. Do something! "You bet big and lose, you don't double down." Oooooh, Trudy laying it out. Unfortunately, Trudy, I don't think he has a choice, whether you approve or not. Soul-searchy Don would be better off spending his time coming up with an amazing idea to save the agency. Ooooh, is Don changing the conversation? "Knew it wasn't good for us, but we couldn't stop." Yes! Turn it from "they fired us" to "we quit them". Boo-ya! Don shoots, Don scores! "It's suicide! It's insane!" I love hysterical Pete. "We've created a monster." Yeah, but if it works and they get all sorts of other clients they'll all be "oh we love you Don, we believed in you all along". Oooh, Layne's back! And I love that Megan understands the "he didn't dump me I dumped him" thing. Heeeeee! Bert! "I didn't think they'd start with him." Oh, Peggy. I love how you can snark at Don like no one else. "i thought you didn't go in for those shenanigans." Fashionable Betty - whoopsie! Catching Sally with Glenn! Shit, meet fan! "That boy is bad." "I didn't think about that." "I know." Kinda sums up their relationship. "Have your girl make reservations." She sooooo knows you slept with Megan, Don. Peggy's looking for a mentor, but I don't think Faye wants to be one. At least not right now. Huh. So it took Sally being all friendly with Glenn to get Betty to agree to move? OY!! We can't eat prestige. True. Someone called us! Also true. Basically, it's done guys. You should all be trying to capitalize on it. Oooooh. Don paid Pete's share?! Love the little nod between them. And now, the firings commence. Oh, but Etta James at the end! **swoons in happy Etta James-ness**
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Oct 11, 2010 14:58:39 GMT -5
Post by Michelle on Oct 11, 2010 14:58:39 GMT -5
So, do y'all think Bert really quit? Notice how he was pissed about the ad for a different reason than the rest of the partners? The others didn't like that he placed the ad without consulting them, while Bert was just mad that Don didn't present a unified front and sign the letter from all the partners. Interesting. It implies that Bert would have agreed to the ad, but the others probably would have voted it down. I tend to side with Don and Bert on this one. I think it was a pretty smart move to, as Peggy said, change the conversation. And it was savvy of Megan to see it as well. Maybe she will be an up and comer like Peggy.
I agree with you, Lola--I think Faye is aware of, or at least suspects what is going on with Don & Megan. Megan seems to be pretty cool about the whole thing--so far.
Glenn is creepy, so I'm not sorry to see him out of Sally's life, but I do feel bad about the way it was handled by Betty. They probably won't have time to show it, since the next episode is the season finale, but it would be interesting to see a convo between Dr. Edna and Sally about what happened. I LOVE DR. EDNA!!
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Mad Men
Oct 12, 2010 19:52:31 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Oct 12, 2010 19:52:31 GMT -5
So, do y'all think Bert really quit? Notice how he was pissed about the ad for a different reason than the rest of the partners? The others didn't like that he placed the ad without consulting them, while Bert was just mad that Don didn't present a unified front and sign the letter from all the partners. Interesting. It implies that Bert would have agreed to the ad, but the others probably would have voted it down. I tend to side with Don and Bert on this one. I think it was a pretty smart move to, as Peggy said, change the conversation. And it was savvy of Megan to see it as well. Maybe she will be an up and comer like Peggy. I agree with you, Lola--I think Faye is aware of, or at least suspects what is going on with Don & Megan. Megan seems to be pretty cool about the whole thing--so far. Glenn is creepy, so I'm not sorry to see him out of Sally's life, but I do feel bad about the way it was handled by Betty. They probably won't have time to show it, since the next episode is the season finale, but it would be interesting to see a convo between Dr. Edna and Sally about what happened. I LOVE DR. EDNA!! DR EDNA! So awesome! I want to play Go Fish with her.
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Mad Men
Oct 17, 2010 21:17:19 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Oct 17, 2010 21:17:19 GMT -5
Telling Don to deal with the past? Wonder if he'll actually try it? Title promotion for Joan - coolio! And their still struggling with getting clients. And here's the meet with the Cancer Society folks! Aimed at teens. "They're mourning their childhood." Don, sometimes you just know what to do, don't you? "So, d'ya get cancer?" Oh, Roger. Pete! "Wouldn't it be fun?" And Roger is all "doesn't that sound like fun". HA!!! Whoa. Ken Cosgrove, man of principal. Who knew? Awwww. Glen says goodbye. And Betty really really hates him. "Just 'cuz your sad doesn't mean everyone has to be." Firing Carla?!?! OMG!! Not even letting her say bye to the kids? Oh, Betty, do you always have to go to the "mean to others" place when you feel threatened? And she was supposed to go to California with Don and the kids? Oy!! Pushy Harry is pushy. But at least Peggy picked up on the important potential client getting opportunity. Take Megan to California to look after the kids? Yeah, Dr Faye is on her way out alright. Oh, Don. ;D Score, Peggy! Way to get another great client meeting! OMG, she is just too too adorable. Teaching them all French songs? He is so totally right that she's like something out of Sound of Music! **bittersweet awww moment** Bringing the kids to Anna's house. OMG, telling the kids his "nickname sometimes" is Dick?! Worlds colliding! Earth shattering! Engagement ring from the original Don. Go swimming with the kids, Don. Maybe it will ease your sadness. Yay! Jump in the water and let go, dude! And Megan is off to have fun at the Whiskey A Go Go - awesome good times! They actually all look like they're having fun. "No one's ever on your side, Betty." DAMN! Don and Megan. Am I surprised? No. Are they surprisingly rather good together? Yes. Is Faye totally screwed over? Yes! (See, people, this is why threesome is ALWAYS the answer!) He has a good heart. And he's always trying to be better. That's really rather true. I mean, simplistic, but true. Are you looking for a "blank slate" again, Don? Someone who doesn't know you? "We're a tiny company. We need to make a stand." And Peggy does some of the stuff she (and Don) are so good at. The pitch. The ideas. Getting at the feel of what the client wants. Heee! I love how all of them are used to a spill being a crisis that calls for panic and yelling and Megan is all "no prob". Whoa. Don says he loves her. RING!! OMG OMG OMG! Maybe take a breath and a think, Don. Then again, it does seem all easy and comfy with her. But Dr Faye's 'connected' daddy might just kill you. "What about work? What do we do?" "We tell everybody." Roger is soooooo gonna tease you. And Joan does not look at all surprised. ;D Love that Layne congratulates him so readily. ;D HA! The phone ringing moment and everyone is all . . . who's gonna answer it? Man, I'm enjoying seeing some happy folks! ;D Including Don being genuinely happy / impressed about Peggy getting a client. Now you just gotta sack up and talk to Dr Faye, Don. Love love love Joan and Peggy getting all snarky and truth-speaky with each other. "That's bullshit!" Dr Faye, I do like you. "Just get to it." "I met somebody and we're engaged." "Are you kidding me?!" ;D ;D ;D "I hope she knows you only like the beginnings of things." That would be a very good 'oh snap' moment. Except I actually like Megan too. She's all calm and happy and easy-going and genuinely nice. OMG, you guys were all right!! Joan didn't get rid of the baby and she's gonna pass it off has her hubby's!!! Don and Betty. "Things aren't perfect." Well, they never are - not for anyone. A good scene between them, all the history and them each moving off to their own lives. Whew!! Another butt-load of changes - ready for the next leap forward.
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Mad Men
Oct 18, 2010 12:35:33 GMT -5
Post by Michelle on Oct 18, 2010 12:35:33 GMT -5
Pete! "Wouldn't it be fun?" And Roger is all "doesn't that sound like fun". HA!!! Whoa. Ken Cosgrove, man of principal. Who knew? Ken: "She's my life. My actual life." I loved that. A theme of this ep was how work life and personal life can overlap and merge, sometimes in good ways, sometimes bad. Ken is the only one who put his foot down and said, no, I want to keep my personal life separate from my work life. Good for him! Again with the business/personal overlap. Carla was Betty's employee, but really she was the one raising her children, and as Henry pointed out, the one consistent thing in the kids' lives. Betty, you are such a spoiled brat, and I think you're going to regret getting rid of Carla. She was awesome. Peggy's friendship with Joyce (personal) led to success at work (business). It seemed like both Joyce and Harry were hitting on that model. He hired Megan as a nanny (business) with the benefit of hooking up with her again (personal). Oh, Don, indeed! Again, business (closing on Anna's house) mixed with the personal. ;D ;D ;D *nods* I think so. Dr. Faye knew him a little *too* well for his comfort, so he had to run from her into the arms of a idealistic 25 year old. I loved that! And again, it mixed the business with the personal. She was helping to save the company by personalizing how and why she wears Topaz panty hose. That was a great moment! The kids are going to be so angry at Don when he ultimately leaves Megan. Because the kids are going to love her, and she'll love the kids, but I don't see Don and Megan working out, ultimately. Heeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! Awk-WARD! Is Megan a secretary at SCDP or is she the fiancee of the D in SCDP?? My absolute FAVORITE scene!! I literally LOL'ed. I grew to like Dr. Faye. I hope we see her again at some point. *fist pump* I was right!! Whoo hoo. Of course I was wrong about Lane staying in England. Thank goodness I was wrong about that-- I like hm! And you just know Betty purposely waited around to "casually" bump into Don! She probably even brought the box of stuff with her as a prop. And I think her "Things aren't perfect" line was really referring to her relationship with Henry, not the new house. She was trying to hint to Don that she was open to rekindling their relationship. But then Don is all, "I'm engaged," and she bucks up and realizes that won't happen. I can hardly wait for next season!!
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