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Post by Onjel on Nov 5, 2008 12:18:33 GMT -5
a bit of dialogue from Jan and me, removed from the main thread and stripped of spoiler tags: Oh, yeah, ever so much. One of the people on my flist put up a You Tube Video of RFK's speech the night MLK was killed, and all of it came roaring back. That year broke the nation more than anything since the Civil War; the people dancing in the streets last night were, I hope, a sign that we've begin to mend. Julia, it's been a long time coming I also worry about the bullet...I've stopped reading the crazy-con threads (as opposed to the sane-cons, like Onjel - them I like) because they're all so very racist this morning. We did piss off the racists. You can tell a sane Republican from an insane Republican today by looking to see what they're saying. If they're trying to figure out why they lost, they're sane. If they already know, and it's because the rest of America is stupid and racist, then they're crazy. I've seen the word "half-breed" on a thread where the person using it was trying to convince people that Obama WON due to racism. See, this is what is so aggravating to me. There are whack-jobs on both ends of the spectrum, but advocating murder and calling everyone names? Saddens and angers me at the same time. Time to look forward and not backward for the country as a whole. For the Republicans? Time to look forward to what they can change and improve upon and backward at how far they have strayed from the platform they need to adopt. They do not need to blame anyone else. That is counter-productive to change and re-building, if they can rebuild. I know where the conservatives failed. They failed by letting the Republicans go off task. (Not that I'm giving up my "conspiracy theory" side that the election and campaign were deliberately undersold, mind. ) Until such time as the conservatives can form a party to stick with "smaller government, increased or protected civil liberties, fiscal responsibility, sane immigration policies and strong national security without provoking useless costly wars" and get away from pandering to the (sorry folks) religious right and bigots, the party is destined to lose. W isn't a conservative. He's a spendthrift (among other things) in "Republican" costume.
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Post by Onjel on Nov 5, 2008 12:21:30 GMT -5
I never thought of him that way, but it's so perfect! Hey, my dad and I kept joking that he was gonna start offering strips of gold-pressed latinum in exchange for votes.... If only. . ..
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Post by Onjel on Nov 5, 2008 12:22:22 GMT -5
I also worry about the bullet...I've stopped reading the crazy-con threads (as opposed to the sane-cons, like Onjel - them I like) because they're all so very racist this morning. We did piss off the racists. You can tell a sane Republican from an insane Republican today by looking to see what they're saying. If they're trying to figure out why they lost, they're sane. If they already know, and it's because the rest of America is stupid and racist, then they're crazy. I've seen the word "half-breed" on a thread where the person using it was trying to convince people that Obama WON due to racism. Hell, I happened upon a conversation about whether the timing of the death of Obama's grandmother was too convenient to be pure chance. Man, that's just sick.
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Post by Sue on Nov 5, 2008 12:24:57 GMT -5
So far the stock market is not thrilled.
But who can tell until the final hour.
(Didn't I say I was off to do stuff?)
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Nov 5, 2008 12:25:51 GMT -5
a bit of dialogue from Jan and me, removed from the main thread and stripped of spoiler tags: Oh, yeah, ever so much. One of the people on my flist put up a You Tube Video of RFK's speech the night MLK was killed, and all of it came roaring back. That year broke the nation more than anything since the Civil War; the people dancing in the streets last night were, I hope, a sign that we've begin to mend. Julia, it's been a long time coming I also worry about the bullet...I've stopped reading the crazy-con threads (as opposed to the sane-cons, like Onjel - them I like) because they're all so very racist this morning. We did piss off the racists. You can tell a sane Republican from an insane Republican today by looking to see what they're saying. If they're trying to figure out why they lost, they're sane. If they already know, and it's because the rest of America is stupid and racist, then they're crazy. I've seen the word "half-breed" on a thread where the person using it was trying to convince people that Obama WON due to racism. I here that the Freepers and Little Green Footballs are having teh crazee, and John Derbyshire posted a typically nasty bit at NRO last night, but I've decided that there's no point is seeing in detail just how badly the far extreme right is behaving, since I've known since the days I used to find National Opinion around my uncle's house that they have no grasp of reality and no manners. Julia, David Frum was subdued on NPR this morning, and I just laughed and laughed
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 5, 2008 12:26:35 GMT -5
Did Nader run in '92? Or did that little funny-looking man from Texas run that year? I think I've blocked his name from my memory. ETA: H. Ross Perot! I remembered! (sadly) Oh, yeah, the Ferengi....
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Post by Onjel on Nov 5, 2008 12:26:56 GMT -5
So far the stock market is not thrilled. But who can tell until the final hour. (Didn't I say I was off to do stuff?) Addict. Of course, I'm here so what does that say about me?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 5, 2008 12:30:09 GMT -5
So far the stock market is not thrilled. But who can tell until the final hour. (Didn't I say I was off to do stuff?) I heard that the Asian markets rallied, for whatever it's worth.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 5, 2008 12:31:01 GMT -5
That's true in some places, but not most. And in some, we positively crushed them. As for example, Nevada, where the win was in the double digits - well above the poll prediction. Virginia was worrying, and seemed close, but in the end, we won it by 5%. Which is about what Nate was predicting. Possibly a bit better. Honestly? The second-best news of the day, for me, is that I get to say, "Bradley Effect? What Bradley Effect?" Now, if I could just throw off the depression and disappointment I feel over my fellow Californians voting for an amendment to strip away rights.... Here is what I was looking for: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/politics/role over the states, click on one and not just the results come up but also the RCP average of polls. It's not 538.com but it will do and it doesn't prove that my impression was wrong, at least in the states I've checked. So they've called prop 8? I didn't realize. Yeah, not officially, but it's 95% reporting and we're down by 4 points. But, really - Virginia poll average: +4.2%, actual nearly +5% We beat the spread by 2 points in Ohio, 1 point in Florida, 6 points in Nevada, 5 in Indiana, 2 in Montana, 4 in Colorado...McCain beat the spread in many Southern red states, Arizona...places he never had a chance of losing. Looks like a lot more Republicans than expected came out in truly "red" states, and a lot more people came out for Obama in "blue" and "flipped" states.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Nov 5, 2008 12:36:35 GMT -5
This is my favorite map; you can select a state and get a county-by-county total. Oklahoma is the only state without a single blue county; otherwise you can look at the map and see where the "minorities, people under thirty, and college educated whites" live. Tow GOP commentors on NPR this morning pointed out that the Republican Party has failed because they have lost all three of those groups- even in Florida, the majority of Latinos voted for Obama. Even in Wyoming and Utah and Alaska, the majority of college educated whites voted for Obama; even in Tennessee, the majority of people under 30 voted for Obama. It's going to be instructive to see how the GOP is going to go about rectifying that situation. Julia, because those are where the population is growing
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Post by Onjel on Nov 5, 2008 12:40:45 GMT -5
This is my favorite map; you can select a state and get a county-by-county total. Oklahoma is the only state without a single blue county; otherwise you can look at the map and see where the "minorities, people under thirty, and college educated whites" live. Tow GOP commentors on NPR this morning pointed out that the Republican Party has failed because they have lost all three of those groups- even in Florida, the majority of Latinos voted for Obama. Even in Wyoming and Utah and Alaska, the majority of college educated whites voted for Obama; even in Tennessee, the majority of people under 30 voted for Obama. It's going to be instructive to see how the GOP is going to go about rectifying that situation. Julia, because those are where the population is growing Maybe they won't. Maybe the Libertarian party will grow in membership and power and eventually nudge the Republicans out of the way. One thing is for sure, we agree that if the Republicans expect to survive they are going to have to make some serious changes.
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Post by Jan on Nov 5, 2008 12:43:29 GMT -5
Nate Silver had some darned good stats. (Well, to be almost perfect McCain has to get NC). But he called the EV and the popular vote percentage. I have not tried to go back and check the state by state margins. It seemed to me that some of the states Obama won were by smaller margins than the polls suggested, but I haven't actually looked up any numbers. That's true in some places, but not most. And in some, we positively crushed them. As for example, Nevada, where the win was in the double digits - well above the poll prediction. Virginia was worrying, and seemed close, but in the end, we won it by 5%. Which is about what Nate was predicting. Possibly a bit better. Honestly? The second-best news of the day, for me, is that I get to say, "Bradley Effect? What Bradley Effect?" Now, if I could just throw off the depression and disappointment I feel over my fellow Californians voting for an amendment to strip away rights....This passed? I'm both surprised and deeply disappointed.
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 5, 2008 12:44:06 GMT -5
This is my favorite map; you can select a state and get a county-by-county total. Oklahoma is the only state without a single blue county; otherwise you can look at the map and see where the "minorities, people under thirty, and college educated whites" live. Tow GOP commentors on NPR this morning pointed out that the Republican Party has failed because they have lost all three of those groups- even in Florida, the majority of Latinos voted for Obama. Even in Wyoming and Utah and Alaska, the majority of college educated whites voted for Obama; even in Tennessee, the majority of people under 30 voted for Obama. It's going to be instructive to see how the GOP is going to go about rectifying that situation. Julia, because those are where the population is growing Yes, except my county pulled strongly for McCain, and it's full of college-educated whites. But many of those college-educated whites also happen to work for NASA, and it's my understanding they really did not want a Democrat in office. And also, lots of military here. And lots of engineers. And corporations. *sigh* Makes me feel even more like a minority around here than usual.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 5, 2008 12:44:38 GMT -5
oh, here is a site I'll investigate more fully: uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/But, having totally lost yesterday I really must go (attempt) to do something today. That map is giving me some cognitive dissonance because the red and blue are backwards.
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 5, 2008 12:46:30 GMT -5
That's true in some places, but not most. And in some, we positively crushed them. As for example, Nevada, where the win was in the double digits - well above the poll prediction. Virginia was worrying, and seemed close, but in the end, we won it by 5%. Which is about what Nate was predicting. Possibly a bit better. Honestly? The second-best news of the day, for me, is that I get to say, "Bradley Effect? What Bradley Effect?" Now, if I could just throw off the depression and disappointment I feel over my fellow Californians voting for an amendment to strip away rights....This passed? I'm both surprised and deeply disappointed. As am I, on both counts. This is extremely depressing news.
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