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Mar 6, 2010 22:01:30 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Mar 6, 2010 22:01:30 GMT -5
Best news I've had all week!
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Apr 2, 2010 0:07:24 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 2, 2010 0:07:24 GMT -5
Watched Fringe in real time. I may not sleep tonight, but it was worth it. And somebody please give John Noble an Emmy already, he's more than earned it.
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Apr 6, 2010 14:36:58 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Apr 6, 2010 14:36:58 GMT -5
I had a lot to say right after I watched it but forgot to post then.
Mostly I was just glad that the writers did such a good job of giving Walter sufficient "reason" to kidnap ODPeter. He didn't just say "oh, mine is dead, I'll get the other one."
He knew how to save other Peter and went to do only that but then .... circumstances spiraled out of control. Somewhat understandable.
Of course, I supposed he could have made some attempt to return Peter to the proper dimension. What did the parents of that dimension think.
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Apr 11, 2010 22:20:02 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 11, 2010 22:20:02 GMT -5
This week's episode was awesome. I'm going to have to sort out my thoughts, or it'll all just be incoherent squeeing, though.
But I am very, very glad that (a) Olivia decided that she shouldn't tell Peter the truth and (b) Walter decided that he has to.
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Apr 21, 2010 10:35:14 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 21, 2010 10:35:14 GMT -5
So, we watched Fringe over the weekend. Am I the only one watching anymore?
Random thoughts on "White Tulip", as near as I can remember:
"It's Buckaroo Banzai!" And he's evil! He's part Robo-Cop (Poor Peter Weller). No, he's misguided and broken, poor woobie.
I thought that the common ground Walter found with PW's character, both of them having done/doing the wrong thing for love, was very well handled.
Also I thought PW's *goes off to look up character's name* Alastair Peck's final choice, to die with the woman he loved rather than try to bring her back from the dead, was beautiful and sweet and heartbreaking, and yes, I am a sentimental sap.
I did wonder, though, if Peck was in the field with the hot-air balloon all day, and if present-day Peck went back in time to the field and his energy drain killed all the lifeforms there, why he hadn't created a huge temporal mess - wouldn't present Peck's energy drain have killed his past self? Better I don't go there, huh?
I can't wait to see what Walter does next, now he's got his sign from God.
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Apr 24, 2010 21:55:32 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Apr 24, 2010 21:55:32 GMT -5
So, we watched Fringe over the weekend. Am I the only one watching anymore? Random thoughts on "White Tulip", as near as I can remember: "It's Buckaroo Banzai!" And he's evil! He's part Robo-Cop (Poor Peter Weller). No, he's misguided and broken, poor woobie. I thought that the common ground Walter found with PW's character, both of them having done/doing the wrong thing for love, was very well handled. Also I thought PW's *goes off to look up character's name* Alastair Peck's final choice, to die with the woman he loved rather than try to bring her back from the dead, was beautiful and sweet and heartbreaking, and yes, I am a sentimental sap. I did wonder, though, if Peck was in the field with the hot-air balloon all day, and if present-day Peck went back in time to the field and his energy drain killed all the lifeforms there, why he hadn't created a huge temporal mess - wouldn't present Peck's energy drain have killed his past self? Better I don't go there, huh? I can't wait to see what Walter does next, now he's got his sign from God. I"m watching. What was the sign supposed to mean? That there is a God, and if there is a God then maybe Peter can forgive him someday?
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Apr 24, 2010 22:12:16 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 24, 2010 22:12:16 GMT -5
So, we watched Fringe over the weekend. Am I the only one watching anymore? Random thoughts on "White Tulip", as near as I can remember: "It's Buckaroo Banzai!" And he's evil! He's part Robo-Cop (Poor Peter Weller). No, he's misguided and broken, poor woobie. I thought that the common ground Walter found with PW's character, both of them having done/doing the wrong thing for love, was very well handled. Also I thought PW's *goes off to look up character's name* Alastair Peck's final choice, to die with the woman he loved rather than try to bring her back from the dead, was beautiful and sweet and heartbreaking, and yes, I am a sentimental sap. I did wonder, though, if Peck was in the field with the hot-air balloon all day, and if present-day Peck went back in time to the field and his energy drain killed all the lifeforms there, why he hadn't created a huge temporal mess - wouldn't present Peck's energy drain have killed his past self? Better I don't go there, huh? I can't wait to see what Walter does next, now he's got his sign from God. I"m watching. What was the sign supposed to mean? That there is a God, and if there is a God then maybe Peter can forgive him someday? We just finished watching this week's episode. I sure hope Peter can forgive Walter. Poor Walter, he kept trying to tell Peter. Poor Peter, his whole world just fell apart.
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Apr 28, 2010 9:13:38 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Apr 28, 2010 9:13:38 GMT -5
I"m watching. What was the sign supposed to mean? That there is a God, and if there is a God then maybe Peter can forgive him someday? We just finished watching this week's episode. I sure hope Peter can forgive Walter. Poor Walter, he kept trying to tell Peter. Poor Peter, his whole world just fell apart. Well, hopefully even Walter's aborted attempts to tell him will register with Peter and he will at least ask Walter to tell him more. I actually think he might be less forgiving with Olivia once he realizes that she had to know as well.
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May 7, 2010 23:28:30 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 7, 2010 23:28:30 GMT -5
That was... *flails helplessly* This episode had a real X-files vibe, with some Twin Peaks as well. Probably the setting. I knew Mr Secretary would turn out to be Walternate, I just knew it!
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May 8, 2010 8:55:34 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 8, 2010 8:55:34 GMT -5
That was... *flails helplessly* This episode had a real X-files vibe, with some Twin Peaks as well. Probably the setting. I knew Mr Secretary would turn out to be Walternate, I just knew it! I'm going to speculate that Peter will conclude that he prefers the father he got to the father he started out with. Years in the mental hospital clearly made Walter a better man. Imagine what kind of monster he would be if he'd continued on down the road of experimenting on little children.
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May 15, 2010 9:28:54 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 15, 2010 9:28:54 GMT -5
I do love a good alternate universe story. Especially the little details. Did you see the billboard for West Wing season 11? Looked like Anne Hatheway and an Obama look a like.
And I like that so far the writers are surprising me rather than taking the story in directions I might have expected.
I"m sorry the 3 "superheroes" had to die (although clearly they didn't want to make Fringe over into The Fantastic Four and go down the road Heroes did, good choice).
It's obvious that the Fringe division in AU doesn't know what AltWalter is up to. John Nobel is very sexy when he is exuding power and confidence.
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May 21, 2010 21:59:26 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 21, 2010 21:59:26 GMT -5
Having just watched the season finale: Wow. Just the acting by those who exist in both worlds was a fine and lovely thing. Somebody give John Noble an Emmy already. As for the cliffhanger ending, well, I rather suspected we'd end up there, but still,
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May 22, 2010 9:23:14 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 22, 2010 9:23:14 GMT -5
Having just watched the season finale: Wow. Just the acting by those who exist in both worlds was a fine and lovely thing. Somebody give John Noble an Emmy already. As for the cliffhanger ending, well, I rather suspected we'd end up there, but still, Yes, I did suspect it but not until near the end. I was totally surprised with when real Olivia (seemingly out of the blue?) made her "we were meant to be together" speech to Peter. Did that seem in character to you? But that was like a red flag that she was going to die be imprisoned in solitary by a crazy guy and her doppelganger substituted. 2 things: 1. I will be a bit peeved, I think, if she is not discovered quickly -- I don't care if they have great similarities in their lives, they are still too different (and #2 really knows next to nothing about #1's life) to pull it off. 2. I thought that we learned earlier that people couldn't tolerate going back and forth between universes? But at that time I was not watching very closely. And I also thought someone stated that "Peter could never come back" to this universe. So why can he suddenly come back with no ill effects? (And I'm sure there is some explanation as to why William Bell was able to do it repeatedly -- Bell is dead now, yes? All his molecules blew apart?) What is Walternate going to tell his wife about Peter's sudden redisappearnce? I like the mom. I hope she helps real Olivia get back to our universe -- any maybe comes with him --- except for the fact that it's moving back and forth that is crumbling the walls, yes?
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May 22, 2010 9:48:55 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 22, 2010 9:48:55 GMT -5
Having just watched the season finale: Wow. Just the acting by those who exist in both worlds was a fine and lovely thing. Somebody give John Noble an Emmy already. As for the cliffhanger ending, well, I rather suspected we'd end up there, but still, Yes, I did suspect it but not until near the end. I was totally surprised with when real Olivia (seemingly out of the blue?) made her "we were meant to be together" speech to Peter. Did that seem in character to you? But that was like a red flag that she was going to die be imprisoned in solitary by a crazy guy and her doppelganger substituted. 2 things: 1. I will be a bit peeved, I think, if she is not discovered quickly -- I don't care if they have great similarities in their lives, they are still too different (and #2 really knows next to nothing about #1's life) to pull it off. 2. I thought that we learned earlier that people couldn't tolerate going back and forth between universes? But at that time I was not watching very closely. And I also thought someone stated that "Peter could never come back" to this universe. So why can he suddenly come back with no ill effects? (And I'm sure there is some explanation as to why William Bell was able to do it repeatedly -- Bell is dead now, yes? All his molecules blew apart?) What is Walternate going to tell his wife about Peter's sudden redisappearnce? I like the mom. I hope she helps real Olivia get back to our universe -- any maybe comes with him --- except for the fact that it's moving back and forth that is crumbling the walls, yes? I didn't want to say anything for fear of being smacked for spoiling, but since you opened the gates, so to speak, Yes, as soon as Olivia told Peter how she felt, I said to Paul, "That's it, something bad will get one of them". I was wondering if Alternate!Olivia was a cortexiphan subject? If not, how did they get back to our universe? Yes, she's going to give herself away quickly, the first time she asks where Charlie is if nothing else. I bet Broyles and Nina Sharp won't be fooled for long either, they know our Olivia too well. Poor Olivia, so alone and so scared. I keep seeing little Olivia in that burnt-out room in Jacksonville, all huddled in a corner. I wonder if our Olivia will be so frightened that she calls fire down on Walternate? Maybe she'll open a hole back to our universe all by herself. Walter did say she was the most powerful of all the children. Peter's only been back and forth twice, as has Walter. I got the impression Bell was visiting between the universes for a while; maybe that's the difference *fannish handwaving*. Walternate is not a nice man, and I shudder to think what he'll tell Peter's mother. "The monsters stole him again" or "He was there so long he'd become a monster himself", probably; certainly something nasty. I found it interesting that Peter had no trouble calling his mother "mom", but he addressed his biological father as "Mr Secretary", and didn't really seem to trust him. Also interesting, Bell's remark to Walter that he removed parts of Walter's brain because Walter asked him to, because Walter didn't like what he was becoming. I think in Walternate we're seeing where our Walter was going, and it isn't pretty. I think Walter is seeing the consequences of his actions, like during the drive to Harvard, and that's not pretty either. I'll be interested to see how he reacts, and what he does, now that he's been to the other universe and seen how horribly messed up it is. Also, "quarantine amber"? Ten thousand people declared legally dead (and that was just one "event")? That one shot of the quarantine area around Walter's lab, with people trapped in it? That was very chilling. I could babble on, but Other People are waiting to use the computer.
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May 22, 2010 13:32:25 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 22, 2010 13:32:25 GMT -5
Yes, I did suspect it but not until near the end. I was totally surprised with when real Olivia (seemingly out of the blue?) made her "we were meant to be together" speech to Peter. Did that seem in character to you? But that was like a red flag that she was going to die be imprisoned in solitary by a crazy guy and her doppelganger substituted. 2 things: 1. I will be a bit peeved, I think, if she is not discovered quickly -- I don't care if they have great similarities in their lives, they are still too different (and #2 really knows next to nothing about #1's life) to pull it off. 2. I thought that we learned earlier that people couldn't tolerate going back and forth between universes? But at that time I was not watching very closely. And I also thought someone stated that "Peter could never come back" to this universe. So why can he suddenly come back with no ill effects? (And I'm sure there is some explanation as to why William Bell was able to do it repeatedly -- Bell is dead now, yes? All his molecules blew apart?) What is Walternate going to tell his wife about Peter's sudden redisappearnce? I like the mom. I hope she helps real Olivia get back to our universe -- any maybe comes with him --- except for the fact that it's moving back and forth that is crumbling the walls, yes? I didn't want to say anything for fear of being smacked for spoiling, but since you opened the gates, so to speak, Yes, as soon as Olivia told Peter how she felt, I said to Paul, "That's it, something bad will get one of them". I was wondering if Alternate!Olivia was a cortexiphan subject? If not, how did they get back to our universe? Yes, she's going to give herself away quickly, the first time she asks where Charlie is if nothing else. I bet Broyles and Nina Sharp won't be fooled for long either, they know our Olivia too well. Poor Olivia, so alone and so scared. I keep seeing little Olivia in that burnt-out room in Jacksonville, all huddled in a corner. I wonder if our Olivia will be so frightened that she calls fire down on Walternate? Maybe she'll open a hole back to our universe all by herself. Walter did say she was the most powerful of all the children. Peter's only been back and forth twice, as has Walter. I got the impression Bell was visiting between the universes for a while; maybe that's the difference *fannish handwaving*. Walternate is not a nice man, and I shudder to think what he'll tell Peter's mother. "The monsters stole him again" or "He was there so long he'd become a monster himself", probably; certainly something nasty. I found it interesting that Peter had no trouble calling his mother "mom", but he addressed his biological father as "Mr Secretary", and didn't really seem to trust him. Also interesting, Bell's remark to Walter that he removed parts of Walter's brain because Walter asked him to, because Walter didn't like what he was becoming. I think in Walternate we're seeing where our Walter was going, and it isn't pretty. I think Walter is seeing the consequences of his actions, like during the drive to Harvard, and that's not pretty either. I'll be interested to see how he reacts, and what he does, now that he's been to the other universe and seen how horribly messed up it is. Also, "quarantine amber"? Ten thousand people declared legally dead (and that was just one "event")? That one shot of the quarantine area around Walter's lab, with people trapped in it? That was very chilling. I could babble on, but Other People are waiting to use the computer. It's my understanding (and I am sure about this) that the whole point of these dedicated threads is to discuss the episode with others who have watched it -- and anybody who ventures onto these threads understands that. So it's not possible to "spoil" (except in the original definition of telling something that has never been shown on TV -- about future episodes). Thanks for illuminating several issues for me. I agree that Walter was not a nice man in his earlier years and only got worse with power, so removing his memories was actually a "good" thing. Wasn't there also an episode that implied that he'd had the memories removed so that no one could ever use him to figure how to go back to Alt!U? Pieces of his brain were implanted in 3 other people -- making them instantly nuts and ruining their lives too. Those pieces were retrieved and implanted into somebody (?) to require the info on how to return. Were they put back in Walter? Or someone else? I wonder if the 2 universes were more similar/less different before Peter was stolen? Because there are some fairly striking differences in them now.
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