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Fringe
May 22, 2010 13:55:17 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 22, 2010 13:55:17 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything for fear of being smacked for spoiling, but since you opened the gates, so to speak, Yes, as soon as Olivia told Peter how she felt, I said to Paul, "That's it, something bad will get one of them". I was wondering if Alternate!Olivia was a cortexiphan subject? If not, how did they get back to our universe? Yes, she's going to give herself away quickly, the first time she asks where Charlie is if nothing else. I bet Broyles and Nina Sharp won't be fooled for long either, they know our Olivia too well. Poor Olivia, so alone and so scared. I keep seeing little Olivia in that burnt-out room in Jacksonville, all huddled in a corner. I wonder if our Olivia will be so frightened that she calls fire down on Walternate? Maybe she'll open a hole back to our universe all by herself. Walter did say she was the most powerful of all the children. Peter's only been back and forth twice, as has Walter. I got the impression Bell was visiting between the universes for a while; maybe that's the difference *fannish handwaving*. Walternate is not a nice man, and I shudder to think what he'll tell Peter's mother. "The monsters stole him again" or "He was there so long he'd become a monster himself", probably; certainly something nasty. I found it interesting that Peter had no trouble calling his mother "mom", but he addressed his biological father as "Mr Secretary", and didn't really seem to trust him. Also interesting, Bell's remark to Walter that he removed parts of Walter's brain because Walter asked him to, because Walter didn't like what he was becoming. I think in Walternate we're seeing where our Walter was going, and it isn't pretty. I think Walter is seeing the consequences of his actions, like during the drive to Harvard, and that's not pretty either. I'll be interested to see how he reacts, and what he does, now that he's been to the other universe and seen how horribly messed up it is. Also, "quarantine amber"? Ten thousand people declared legally dead (and that was just one "event")? That one shot of the quarantine area around Walter's lab, with people trapped in it? That was very chilling. I could babble on, but Other People are waiting to use the computer. It's my understanding (and I am sure about this) that the whole point of these dedicated threads is to discuss the episode with others who have watched it -- and anybody who ventures onto these threads understands that. So it's not possible to "spoil" (except in the original definition of telling something that has never been shown on TV -- about future episodes). Thanks for illuminating several issues for me. I agree that Walter was not a nice man in his earlier years and only got worse with power, so removing his memories was actually a "good" thing. Wasn't there also an episode that implied that he'd had the memories removed so that no one could ever use him to figure how to go back to Alt!U? Pieces of his brain were implanted in 3 other people -- making them instantly nuts and ruining their lives too. Those pieces were retrieved and implanted into somebody (?) to require the info on how to return. Were they put back in Walter? Or someone else? I wonder if the 2 universes were more similar/less different before Peter was stolen? Because there are some fairly striking differences in them now. I got chastised a time or two because something had run on a network not everybody got, so I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway, I think we're given some evidence that the two universes have always been slightly different - Walternate and Bell never met in the other universe, for one thing, and for another, Alternate!Olivia had never heard of the Lindbergh kidnapping. Also, wasn't there a newspaper at the end of S1 (can't check because my DVDs are on loan) with something about what JFK had been doing recently? It was the one with the headline about the Obamas moving back into the rebuilt White House after it was destroyed on 9-11. That's a pretty big divergence right there, if Kennedy wasn't assassinated, and also the bit where the Fringe squad didn't recognize Jefferson on the money from our universe (which I think was a bit too twee). We know there were small differences already, come to think of it - in our universe, Peter's disease was farther advanced; that's why he died before Walter could cure him. But the alternate Peter lived long enough for our Walter to find the cure, make it, and get over there.
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Fringe
Sept 24, 2010 23:24:12 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Sept 24, 2010 23:24:12 GMT -5
Season premiere: Wow. Words fail me, but this season is going to be one heck of a ride.
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Fringe
Oct 1, 2010 7:18:08 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Oct 1, 2010 7:18:08 GMT -5
Season premiere: Wow. Words fail me, but this season is going to be one heck of a ride. Watching. Not a lot of time to comment. Haven't seen this week but the premiere. Brainwashing our Olivia to think she is the other is an interesting concept. The taxi driver was "someone he didn't want to be" .... I wonder whether he was some kind of undercover anti-government guy and will show back up in Olivia's future to help her recover.
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Fringe
Nov 20, 2010 18:07:04 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Nov 20, 2010 18:07:04 GMT -5
Season premiere: Wow. Words fail me, but this season is going to be one heck of a ride. Watching. Not a lot of time to comment. Haven't seen this week but the premiere. Brainwashing our Olivia to think she is the other is an interesting concept. The taxi driver was "someone he didn't want to be" .... I wonder whether he was some kind of undercover anti-government guy and will show back up in Olivia's future to help her recover.I CALLED IT!
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Fringe
Mar 26, 2011 15:23:41 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Mar 26, 2011 15:23:41 GMT -5
Well, I didn't see that coming. Fairly unique method of dealing with a pregnancy storyline -- get it over in 2 weeks!
Some serious suspension of disbelief there -- like that once she had an IV in they wouldn't just administer the knock-out drug via IV. Or use a catheter.
At least they explained how the acceleration AIDED the bad condition and maybe saved her and the baby's life. Medical break-through for other women I think.
My local TV station cut in and out suddenly near the end. The 2 agent friends of Olivia's were in the stairwell talking before and after Walternate came by with flowers. What exactly was said?
Do we believe that Walternate's Frankenstein doctor oversaw the kidnapping? What was with the blood test?
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Mar 26, 2011 19:52:06 GMT -5
Post by Sara on Mar 26, 2011 19:52:06 GMT -5
Well, I didn't see that coming. Fairly unique method of dealing with a pregnancy storyline -- get it over in 2 weeks! Some serious suspension of disbelief there -- like that once she had an IV in they wouldn't just administer the knock-out drug via IV. Or use a catheter. At least they explained how the acceleration AIDED the bad condition and maybe saved her and the baby's life. Medical break-through for other women I think. My local TV station cut in and out suddenly near the end. The 2 agent friends of Olivia's were in the stairwell talking before and after Walternate came by with flowers. What exactly was said? Do we believe that Walternate's Frankenstein doctor oversaw the kidnapping? What was with the blood test? Sorry, I'm a bit unclear as to which part you missed when your station went wonky. Did you not see anything after the part where Charlie and Lincoln talked to Walternate in the stairwell, or just a chunk of what happened?
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Mar 26, 2011 22:28:39 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Mar 26, 2011 22:28:39 GMT -5
Well, I didn't see that coming. Fairly unique method of dealing with a pregnancy storyline -- get it over in 2 weeks! Some serious suspension of disbelief there -- like that once she had an IV in they wouldn't just administer the knock-out drug via IV. Or use a catheter. At least they explained how the acceleration AIDED the bad condition and maybe saved her and the baby's life. Medical break-through for other women I think. My local TV station cut in and out suddenly near the end. The 2 agent friends of Olivia's were in the stairwell talking before and after Walternate came by with flowers. What exactly was said? Do we believe that Walternate's Frankenstein doctor oversaw the kidnapping? What was with the blood test? Sorry, I'm a bit unclear as to which part you missed when your station went wonky. Did you not see anything after the part where Charlie and Lincoln talked to Walternate in the stairwell, or just a chunk of what happened? I didn't see what Charlie and LIncoln said to each other. And I'm also unclear as to whether Walternate was involved in the kidnapping (and, if so, why and what is the blood sample for) -- probably have to wait on future episodes for that information. Really, the watchers seem to be beside the point with everything else that is going on. I am also curious about who is really considered the show runner given that the opening credits listed 12! (TWELVE) producers.
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Fringe
Mar 29, 2011 8:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Sara on Mar 29, 2011 8:41:44 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm a bit unclear as to which part you missed when your station went wonky. Did you not see anything after the part where Charlie and Lincoln talked to Walternate in the stairwell, or just a chunk of what happened? I didn't see what Charlie and LIncoln said to each other. And I'm also unclear as to whether Walternate was involved in the kidnapping (and, if so, why and what is the blood sample for) -- probably have to wait on future episodes for that information. Really, the watchers seem to be beside the point with everything else that is going on. I am also curious about who is really considered the show runner given that the opening credits listed 12! (TWELVE) producers. Basically, Charlie and Lincoln wondered what else they hadn't been told. And it didn't escape their notice that Broyles disappeared when their Olivia came back. So it looks like they might be doing a little digging off the books, so to speak. I think we're meant to presume that Walternate was indeed behind the kidnapping; the guy who took the blood test was one of the doctors who worked on Fauxlivia. As to the blood test... right now, my best guess is that Walternate wants to know if the machine will respond to Peter's child the same way it responds to Peter himself. But given that I rarely guess correctly when it comes to this show, I'm most likely wrong.
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Fringe
Mar 29, 2011 8:58:51 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Mar 29, 2011 8:58:51 GMT -5
I didn't see what Charlie and LIncoln said to each other. And I'm also unclear as to whether Walternate was involved in the kidnapping (and, if so, why and what is the blood sample for) -- probably have to wait on future episodes for that information. Really, the watchers seem to be beside the point with everything else that is going on. I am also curious about who is really considered the show runner given that the opening credits listed 12! (TWELVE) producers. Basically, Charlie and Lincoln wondered what else they hadn't been told. And it didn't escape their notice that Broyles disappeared when their Olivia came back. So it looks like they might be doing a little digging off the books, so to speak. I think we're meant to presume that Walternate was indeed behind the kidnapping; the guy who took the blood test was one of the doctors who worked on Fauxlivia. As to the blood test... right now, my best guess is that Walternate wants to know if the machine will respond to Peter's child the same way it responds to Peter himself. But given that I rarely guess correctly when it comes to this show, I'm most likely wrong. One of my favorite things about it is the unpredictability -- even if I don't necessarily agree with the plot twist it's never boring! And I think they've done a magnificent job of actually building much of the story around Peter and Olivia's relationship yet without making it seem like it is all about them. Having just watched some Angel episodes with Connor in them though I'm a bit concerned about the impact the baby will have on the story line. Not sure how Peter would find out -- but since Charlie and Lincoln know and may be looking into the other side .... and they did introduce look a like Lincoln in our universe...
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Fringe
Apr 16, 2011 0:06:55 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 16, 2011 0:06:55 GMT -5
That's got to be the most amazingly weirdly wonderful hour of television ever. Aside from that, I'm speechless. Can't wait for next week, but speechless.
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Fringe
May 6, 2011 20:55:20 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 6, 2011 20:55:20 GMT -5
8:45
GASP!
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Fringe
May 6, 2011 21:14:15 GMT -5
Post by Sara on May 6, 2011 21:14:15 GMT -5
My reaction to the Fringe finale
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Fringe
May 6, 2011 22:21:43 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 6, 2011 22:21:43 GMT -5
Aside from the actual details that was some damn fine story-telling and acting. The pain exuded by JJ at the funeral was palpable. And John Noble most certainly deserves an Emmy. Nice haircut Astrid. Sad future. We have to start working together ..... but then he disappears .... and then nobody remembers him What the HECK!?! And the 2 Walters hate each other while the 2 Olivias are totally suspicious --- but wouldn't they wonder about how they got there and why they are jealous of one another and who the father of Bolivia's baby is for heaven's sake? And how the universes got this way in the first place -- Peter being stolen. Oh, wait, both universes were going to implode if they didn't work together so Peter was a fiction even as a child so he could be stolen away to our universe so ... etc etc? My brain is tired. Bravo, writers -- you always surprise me but in a way that is consistent with the story (well, you do have to deal with the lose ends mentioned above.)
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Fringe
May 7, 2011 0:06:30 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 7, 2011 0:06:30 GMT -5
Aside from the actual details that was some damn fine story-telling and acting. The pain exuded by JJ at the funeral was palpable. And John Noble most certainly deserves an Emmy. Nice haircut Astrid. Sad future. We have to start working together ..... but then he disappears .... and then nobody remembers him What the HECK!?! And the 2 Walters hate each other while the 2 Olivias are totally suspicious --- but wouldn't they wonder about how they got there and why they are jealous of one another and who the father of Bolivia's baby is for heaven's sake? And how the universes got this way in the first place -- Peter being stolen. Oh, wait, both universes were going to implode if they didn't work together so Peter was a fiction even as a child so he could be stolen away to our universe so ... etc etc? My brain is tired. Bravo, writers -- you always surprise me but in a way that is consistent with the story (well, you do have to deal with the lose ends mentioned above.) If I had to venture a guess - it'll be the two Olivias who work things out, because both of them wanted to fix things. I'll bet the Observers didn't plan on the baby, either, and maybe that will make the difference. But that's just a guess. What a ride. Sorry, tired, incoherent.
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Fringe
May 7, 2011 7:38:29 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 7, 2011 7:38:29 GMT -5
Aside from the actual details that was some damn fine story-telling and acting. The pain exuded by JJ at the funeral was palpable. And John Noble most certainly deserves an Emmy. Nice haircut Astrid. Sad future. We have to start working together ..... but then he disappears .... and then nobody remembers him What the HECK!?! And the 2 Walters hate each other while the 2 Olivias are totally suspicious --- but wouldn't they wonder about how they got there and why they are jealous of one another and who the father of Bolivia's baby is for heaven's sake? And how the universes got this way in the first place -- Peter being stolen. Oh, wait, both universes were going to implode if they didn't work together so Peter was a fiction even as a child so he could be stolen away to our universe so ... etc etc? My brain is tired. Bravo, writers -- you always surprise me but in a way that is consistent with the story (well, you do have to deal with the lose ends mentioned above.) If I had to venture a guess - it'll be the two Olivias who work things out, because both of them wanted to fix things. I'll bet the Observers didn't plan on the baby, either, and maybe that will make the difference. But that's just a guess. What a ride. Sorry, tired, incoherent. Well, I'm hoping Peter is "re-created" perhaps via something similar to the situation in the final episode of last season's Dr. Who -- after all, there is some of Peter's rather non-imaginary DNA in that kid. [How can a "fictional" person create a baby?] Lived up to the promos/spoilers rather spectacularly in that they killed off BOTH main characters in one episode. I knew Walternate was after Olivia but I still gasped at the immediacy and cold-bloodedness. And, well, at the moment it's pretty much the death of everyone unless they fix things. But I love that there is a chance for both universes to survive. I am a sucker for a happy ending. Maybe now the 2 different other Fringe guys (Bolivia's current boss) will also get to meet. So Peter could get every other weekend visitation rights to his alt-U son? The one detail that rang false to me was Broyles going into politics. Oh, and, none of them really seemed to have aged 15 years. And, didn't it seem like Walter had maybe had a stroke? His one arm seemed useless and he held his mouth funny. But -- great story telling and writing -- clear, concise, easy to follow, not boring (this seems to be the singular most important characteristic for me at the moment).
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