Fringe May 22, 2010 13:55:17 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 22, 2010 13:55:17 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything for fear of being smacked for spoiling, but since you opened the gates, so to speak,
Yes, as soon as Olivia told Peter how she felt, I said to Paul, "That's it, something bad will get one of them".
I was wondering if Alternate!Olivia was a cortexiphan subject? If not, how did they get back to our universe? Yes, she's going to give herself away quickly, the first time she asks where Charlie is if nothing else. I bet Broyles and Nina Sharp won't be fooled for long either, they know our Olivia too well.
Poor Olivia, so alone and so scared. I keep seeing little Olivia in that burnt-out room in Jacksonville, all huddled in a corner. I wonder if our Olivia will be so frightened that she calls fire down on Walternate? Maybe she'll open a hole back to our universe all by herself. Walter did say she was the most powerful of all the children.
Peter's only been back and forth twice, as has Walter. I got the impression Bell was visiting between the universes for a while; maybe that's the difference *fannish handwaving*.
Walternate is not a nice man, and I shudder to think what he'll tell Peter's mother. "The monsters stole him again" or "He was there so long he'd become a monster himself", probably; certainly something nasty. I found it interesting that Peter had no trouble calling his mother "mom", but he addressed his biological father as "Mr Secretary", and didn't really seem to trust him.
Also interesting, Bell's remark to Walter that he removed parts of Walter's brain because Walter asked him to, because Walter didn't like what he was becoming. I think in Walternate we're seeing where our Walter was going, and it isn't pretty.
I think Walter is seeing the consequences of his actions, like during the drive to Harvard, and that's not pretty either. I'll be interested to see how he reacts, and what he does, now that he's been to the other universe and seen how horribly messed up it is.
Also, "quarantine amber"? Ten thousand people declared legally dead (and that was just one "event")? That one shot of the quarantine area around Walter's lab, with people trapped in it? That was very chilling.
I could babble on, but Other People are waiting to use the computer.
It's my understanding (and I am sure about this) that the whole point of these dedicated threads is to discuss the episode with others who have watched it -- and anybody who ventures onto these threads understands that. So it's not possible to "spoil" (except in the original definition of telling something that has never been shown on TV -- about future episodes).
Thanks for illuminating several issues for me. I agree that Walter was not a nice man in his earlier years and only got worse with power, so removing his memories was actually a "good" thing. Wasn't there also an episode that implied that he'd had the memories removed so that no one could ever use him to figure how to go back to Alt!U? Pieces of his brain were implanted in 3 other people -- making them instantly nuts and ruining their lives too.
Those pieces were retrieved and implanted into somebody (?) to require the info on how to return. Were they put back in Walter? Or someone else?
I wonder if the 2 universes were more similar/less different before Peter was stolen? Because there are some fairly striking differences in them now.
I got chastised a time or two because something had run on a network not everybody got, so I figured better safe than sorry.
Anyway, I think we're given some evidence that the two universes have always been slightly different - Walternate and Bell never met in the other universe, for one thing, and for another, Alternate!Olivia had never heard of the Lindbergh kidnapping. Also, wasn't there a newspaper at the end of S1 (can't check because my DVDs are on loan) with something about what JFK had been doing recently? It was the one with the headline about the Obamas moving back into the rebuilt White House after it was destroyed on 9-11. That's a pretty big divergence right there, if Kennedy wasn't assassinated, and also the bit where the Fringe squad didn't recognize Jefferson on the money from our universe (which I think was a bit too twee).
We know there were small differences already, come to think of it - in our universe, Peter's disease was farther advanced; that's why he died before Walter could cure him. But the alternate Peter lived long enough for our Walter to find the cure, make it, and get over there.