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Caprica
Jan 31, 2010 21:17:57 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:17:57 GMT -5
I’m gonna love love love the tech in this, the look of it. Also, the excellently done classic SF storytelling thing of just throwing you in and letting you experience the world building – the different cultures, the way society operates, etc.
Also? I’m going to seriously love Eric Stoltz. I mean, damn.
“I can bring your daughter back again. Isn’t that worth any price you have to pay?” Is it? Any price? Really?
Adama!
The next to last scene, with the proto-cylon killing all the little roly-polys? Eeeep!
The last last scene, with cyber-Zoe waking up? Ooooooooooooooh!!
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Caprica
Jan 31, 2010 21:23:40 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:23:40 GMT -5
So, I watched the movie/pilot yesterday, finally--I bought the dvd before Christmas but just never got around to watching it. I think I'm going to love this show. That was one of the best pilots of any show that I've ever seen. I found the daughter, Zoe, riveting. And of course Stoltz and Morales kicked all kinds of ass, as I had expected. **nods a lot** I was very impressed by the opening movie - very good storytelling - emotional and intellectual - amazing look and feel to it, as well. **joins you in the slow clap**
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Caprica
Jan 31, 2010 21:25:25 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:25:25 GMT -5
So, I watched the movie/pilot yesterday, finally--I bought the dvd before Christmas but just never got around to watching it. I think I'm going to love this show. That was one of the best pilots of any show that I've ever seen. I found the daughter, Zoe, riveting. And of course Stoltz and Morales kicked all kinds of ass, as I had expected. Fun fact that I just discovered: Alessandra Torresani, who plays Zoe, played George Michael's girlfriend, Ann, in her first appearance on Arrested Development. All other appearances of Ann were played by a different actress. Anyways, after I had lamented a week or so ago about how I've lost interest in all tv except for SPN, this show comes along and is working hard at making me love it. Well done, showrunners. *slow clap* Cool fun fact! I was a bit distracted that this dark-haired brown-eyed girl was the daughter of a blonde and a red-head with blue eyes. But whatever. The parents are both called Doctor, but Eric Stoltz appears to be a scientist type, whereas his wife appears to work in a hospital, correct? I just thought that was kind of interesting. I don't know why, but for some reason I've decided the mom is step mom or some other explanation for non-biological mom. Am I crazy? Probably!
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Caprica
Jan 31, 2010 21:30:32 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:30:32 GMT -5
So, the infinity symbol used for the monotheists is an interesting choice. If you elongate and sharpen the end of the right arm and shorten, widen and sort of flatten out the left end (the right side would be longer than the left at this point) you would have the fish, symbolic of Christianity. I can see that ....it's a bit of a stretch. Infinity symbol also a good choice for the whole 'all this has happened before and will happen again' philosophy. Stretch - ha! Also? Interesting that in the first one-hour ep they find the piece of jewelry that is stretched/unfolded to form the symbol.
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Caprica
Jan 31, 2010 21:36:26 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:36:26 GMT -5
Good catch on the infinity symbol. Don't go googling explanation for infinity. It will boggle your mind. My understanding of the end of BSG was that they found Earth - and it had been destroyed, by I am assuming nuclear bombs. Or did I miss something? That the current BSG was set in the future - our far far in the future, after we blew up our planet. It is possible that the original band of survivors of Earth - the ones that went on to populate the Caprica/et al system, brought their religions with them, one of which was Christianity - and the fish symbol could have morphed into the infinity symbol....and so on....and so on...to infinity. ETA: I will read Jane's blog tonight and revise all previous assumptions. :DI think Caprica is going to rock! I haven't watched the series finale since it aired, so I think I've blocked out a lot of it and forgotten almost all of the rest. But, what I assume, based on the snippets I remember, was that BSG was in our way way past, and that when they landed on Earth it was Neanderthal times. I need to google. That was my vague recollection of my vague original understanding.
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Jan 31, 2010 21:37:25 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:37:25 GMT -5
Oh, and I won't google infinity. What I know of the concept already boggles my mind. ;D When you google infinity, you can never escape the never-ending search . . .
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Jan 31, 2010 21:38:44 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:38:44 GMT -5
OK, first one-hour ep thoughts . . .
The opening credits are beautiful!
I love the way that the image of Zoe intercuts with the cylon body. Especially when the bad tech is strapping the arms down and saying stuff like “she likes it rough, she told me”. It’s amazing how much emotion we can read from that one red moving eye dot, isn’t it?
Also? Canonical group marriage! Woot! I fear that the teach is of course a Bad Person, who is Converting For The Dangerous Terrorists, but still. I’ll take my group family any way I can get it! Plus? No one in this is gonna be totally innocent, are they? And what is her past history/track record that the family is bringing up, eh?
Heh! Love the little house butler machine and his “the crowd is going frakking wild, sir”. Where did she go . . . where did she go . . . and she’s hiding right in front of him.
“It’s all about control and power.” “Give ‘em all the little things and they forget the big things.” I can’t help seeing every experience that Willie has and thinking of how it will affect the future Admiral Bill Adama. And this one? His dad is soooooooo not gonna be happy.
Zoe!avatar!inCylon is awesome! Love the movement and this little things, like surprise when she breaks the bed by sitting on it. “I’m Zoe. And the avatar. And the robot.” Trinity.
“My mom called me a monster.” “Well . . . to be fair . . . “
The memorial service was perfectly done – the mix of his issues and hers. Adama confronting him – is his daughter’s avatar abandoned and alone? Her learning more about her daughter, from the mother of the boyfriend she didn’t know about and that was responsible for her death and yet how can she not be grateful to get a better picture of her daughter? What a beautifully done mix of all the emotions.
And then, she drops a bombshell on the whole crowd. Whoa!
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Caprica
Jan 31, 2010 21:40:22 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:40:22 GMT -5
I love the Zoelon walking around the house and trying to sit on the furniture. And, I like the way they show Zoe from her perspective, looking like herself but from the world's perspective looking like what she is now, a cybernetic life form. OMG, yes, yes yes!! So very nicely done! Also? Love the name Zoelon.
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Jan 31, 2010 21:41:39 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:41:39 GMT -5
Well. That little public admission is going to cause some problems in the Greystone house. Hey. Isn't Greystone the family name of Tarzan? Yep. And yep, I think.
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Jan 31, 2010 21:42:55 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Jan 31, 2010 21:42:55 GMT -5
Did you see Marster's anywhere? imdb says he was in this episode, but neither Anna nor I saw him. It's interesting that Zoelon is most like the Ones and the Threes in the stuff you identify as Id, and in the antihuman feelings. Julia, I can't wait for someone to write a neoFreudian dissertation in media studies: Cylons as Manifestation of the Death Wish I didn't see him. Maybe he was part of Clarice's group family? I suspect he wasn't in it all and it was a mistake on imdb. I may have to rewatch on the rerun or online to double check. I'd like to see that dissertation, myself. I didn't see him either. I'm thinking mistake. Or maybe they count previews? Not that I saw the previews on this one, the DVR cut off too soon, but he was in previews at the end of the movie.
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Caprica
Feb 1, 2010 11:30:02 GMT -5
Post by Onjel on Feb 1, 2010 11:30:02 GMT -5
I love the Zoelon walking around the house and trying to sit on the furniture. And, I like the way they show Zoe from her perspective, looking like herself but from the world's perspective looking like what she is now, a cybernetic life form. OMG, yes, yes yes!! So very nicely done! Also? Love the name Zoelon. Thank you. I thought it fit nicely. ;D
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Caprica
Feb 1, 2010 21:23:03 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Feb 1, 2010 21:23:03 GMT -5
OMG, yes, yes yes!! So very nicely done! Also? Love the name Zoelon. Thank you. I thought it fit nicely. ;D It fits quite nicely. Zoelon and Cylon, very close in sound, too. Do you suppose Zoe is the Cylon's god? In remembering the last scene in BSG between Six and Baltar and his comment to Six's calling their maker god. "Don't call him that, he doesn't like it." Or something like that.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 2, 2010 9:49:35 GMT -5
I was thinking. . . Could it be that the avatar for Adama's daughter somehow gets en-cyloned? Do you suppose that the personality differences between the two are the seeds of the differences between the skin jobs vis a vis what to do with the humans near the end of BSG?
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Caprica
Feb 2, 2010 10:15:02 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Feb 2, 2010 10:15:02 GMT -5
I was thinking. . . Could it be that the avatar for Adama's daughter somehow gets en-cyloned? Do you suppose that the personality differences between the two are the seeds of the differences between the skin jobs vis a vis what to do with the humans near the end of BSG? Oooo...I like that theory. Very plausible. Also - maybe the boy's avatar is still in there somewhere, too - and Zoe's friend. Maybe Zoelon/God convinces them all to be en-cyloned. Along with the teacher, who would add a totally different dimension. Very cool, Onj.
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Caprica
Feb 2, 2010 12:18:17 GMT -5
Post by Onjel on Feb 2, 2010 12:18:17 GMT -5
I was thinking. . . Could it be that the avatar for Adama's daughter somehow gets en-cyloned? Do you suppose that the personality differences between the two are the seeds of the differences between the skin jobs vis a vis what to do with the humans near the end of BSG? Oooo...I like that theory. Very plausible. Also - maybe the boy's avatar is still in there somewhere, too - and Zoe's friend. Maybe Zoelon/God convinces them all to be en-cyloned. Along with the teacher, who would add a totally different dimension. Very cool, Onj. Ooooh! I like this! I guess we'll have to wait and see if our theories come to fruition, huh? ;D Of course, the writers could always call us to collaborate, couldn't they?
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