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Caprica
Mar 14, 2010 22:30:21 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2010 22:30:21 GMT -5
"I really think you need a bigger gun." LOLOLOL! If someone says "we need a bigger boat" I'm going to fall off my bed in homage. ;D Oh, I know!!! I could see JE's influence all over the place last night. It was awesome!! *does happy dance of funny mixed with noir mixed with fantasy mixed with angst* Yes!! Yes!! Yes!!
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Caprica
Mar 14, 2010 22:48:30 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Mar 14, 2010 22:48:30 GMT -5
Out of the mouths of dogs, eh? Amazin'. Did he find her or is he just speaking out of longing? Arrggg! I missed the very end!! What happened when he walked over to the Zoelon and picked up the ball? He looked up into her eye and whispered "Zoey?"
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Caprica
Mar 15, 2010 7:32:41 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Mar 15, 2010 7:32:41 GMT -5
Arrggg! I missed the very end!! What happened when he walked over to the Zoelon and picked up the ball? He looked up into her eye and whispered "Zoey?" Ooooh! Thanks so much Sue! This is very exciting! Does he really know? Does he just guess? Was he simply thinking of Zoe and doesn't guess at all? Cutting off the last 30-60 seconds or so keeps happening with Carprica! Makin' me crazy, it is. And my DVR only lets me "adjust" one ep at a time when I have it set to grab all eps of something and then it loses that adjustment on the next recording of that same show. Oy! Well, or else (the more likely scenario) I just don't know the right way to do it so that I can grab each ep but also set it to always go 5 minutes long or something.
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Caprica
Mar 15, 2010 7:45:16 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Mar 15, 2010 7:45:16 GMT -5
He looked up into her eye and whispered "Zoey?" Ooooh! Thanks so much Sue! This is very exciting! Does he really know? Does he just guess? Was he simply thinking of Zoe and doesn't guess at all? Cutting off the last 30-60 seconds or so keeps happening with Carprica! Makin' me crazy, it is. And my DVR only lets me "adjust" one ep at a time when I have it set to grab all eps of something and then it loses that adjustment on the next recording of that same show. Oy! Well, or else (the more likely scenario) I just don't know the right way to do it so that I can grab each ep but also set it to always go 5 minutes long or something. It doesn't let you go to the "series" setting and then look at all of the specific settings and add time? huh.
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Caprica
Mar 19, 2010 20:16:25 GMT -5
Post by Onjel on Mar 19, 2010 20:16:25 GMT -5
That answers that. Daniel suspected. And, it looks like he's pretty sure now. Now that Zoe knows what Daniel was doing, this should be interesting. All this talk about coming out to her father. Interesting. Metaphor for today's times?
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Caprica
Mar 19, 2010 20:57:30 GMT -5
Post by Onjel on Mar 19, 2010 20:57:30 GMT -5
Damn. I'm not sure who I'm madder at: Daniel, Zoe or the damn writers who made me react like I did.
Daniel: You bastard, you used the dog.
Zoe: Selfish teenage drama queen sacrificing the family pet so coldly, so she thought, just to maintain her subterfuge that she's not in the Cylon.
The writers: For leading me to believe that Daniel was using the dog like so much junk and that Zoe did, in fact, kill the dog.
It's really between Zoe and the writers, since Daniel really knew the dog wasn't in any danger, but still.
DAMN!
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Caprica
Mar 19, 2010 21:00:48 GMT -5
Post by Onjel on Mar 19, 2010 21:00:48 GMT -5
Holy crap. Zoelon knew the gun weight was off. So, I guess I can't get mad at her for shooting Caesar, but, she sure hates daddy. . ..
I guess I'm angriest at the writers, then. ;D
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Caprica
Mar 20, 2010 0:32:46 GMT -5
Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Mar 20, 2010 0:32:46 GMT -5
Holy crap. Zoelon knew the gun weight was off. So, I guess I can't get mad at her for shooting Caesar, but, she sure hates daddy. . .. I guess I'm angriest at the writers, then. ;D Oh, yeah, the writers are definately evil... in the best way possible. What gets me is Joe Adama, previously pretty much a wannabee badass and really merely a venal shyster (remember the scene with the judge insisting to be bribed in person?), turning into a virtual bad-ass. Julia, because his victims are only virtually dead, of course.
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Caprica
Mar 20, 2010 16:28:00 GMT -5
Post by Onjel on Mar 20, 2010 16:28:00 GMT -5
Holy crap. Zoelon knew the gun weight was off. So, I guess I can't get mad at her for shooting Caesar, but, she sure hates daddy. . .. I guess I'm angriest at the writers, then. ;D Oh, yeah, the writers are definately evil... in the best way possible. What gets me is Joe Adama, previously pretty much a wannabee badass and really merely a venal shyster (remember the scene with the judge insisting to be bribed in person?), turning into a virtual bad-ass. Julia, because his victims are only virtually dead, of course. I know! Sam telling Joe that he convinces himself it's only a game in order to commit cold-blooded murder gave Joe the cojones, I guess, to get all virtually Al Capone. ;D I can't believe next week is the season finale already. I'll be interested in seeing how Joe's virtual persona affects his RL one. And, what Sam will think when he notices a change. And, what will Joe think when he meets oh-so-angry Tamara. Oy. It's gonna be a roller coaster ride next week.
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Caprica
Mar 20, 2010 19:38:00 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Mar 20, 2010 19:38:00 GMT -5
Holy crap. Zoelon knew the gun weight was off. So, I guess I can't get mad at her for shooting Caesar, but, she sure hates daddy. . .. I guess I'm angriest at the writers, then. ;D Hee! The writers had me going, too. I'm mad at Daniel. He didn't know that Zoe knew that the gun had blanks and even though the dog was in no danger (thank goodness!), he played dirty - same as with the fire - to get try and get what he wanted - no matter how it hurt Zoe psychologically. He can't control her and that is pissing him off mightily. And I'm glad Zoe is staying strong because her dada IS a bastard x 3. And her mom is one messed up chick. Things I loved. The comparison between the Graystone's house and the house the Willows live in. One cold and futuristic with no feel of family, the other warm, colorful and rooted in family warmth. The comparison between Adama and Graystone. They both used guns as a tool in getting what they want this week. I love the look of Tamara's world - where she looks to be reigning queen with her own brand. Comparing Tamar'a's world with Zoe's new reality as Zoelon? Hmmm...wonder if they'll face off at some point. Do you think Graystone's nemesis showed up to actually kill Amanda but changed his mind? Wasn't sure what the leather gloves were all about. Missed seeing JM this week. And Zoe's tech boy. Hated the 'previews' in the middle of the episode. What? They think we can't wait a few minutes to see it in real time that they need to keep us interested by showing us a spoiler? Fun fact/Buffy connection. They've used Buffy names when naming a couple of characters. Clarice Willow and Cyrus Xander.
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Caprica
Mar 20, 2010 20:36:39 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Mar 20, 2010 20:36:39 GMT -5
[ Fun fact/Buffy connection. They've used Buffy names when naming a couple of characters. Clarice Willow and Cyrus Xander. Isn't Espenson a show-runner? Well, I thought this show was mostly filler. More of the same. With storylines and characters that started out having something in common and now have gone off so divergently that it's like 2 (or more) mini-episodes of separate shows. Last week: hunting for Tamara. This week: more hunting for Tamara. With no explanation of who set up Cap City to be the way it is or what the object is (I would hate that game). I thought she was young and scared and lost and suddenly she's all in control? And why can't she come out of Cap City and be some other (less "lethal"/restrictive part of V-world? Adama has totally forsaken his son again -- which doesn't make me a fan either. Meanwhile there is Daddy and the Robot. Man! does she hate him -- but why? We don't really know why she was leaving home do we? Was it really more than simple teenage rebellion. Because she must really hate him and the mom to not let them know she is there. And then there is the mom -- totally different plotline. And nothing advanced this week at all -- it seemed like "running in place" until we could get to the big finale next week. Didn't seem very well paced to me. Joss was good at pacing so there were constant payoffs even while other storylines continued on. And we heard so much about the STO and now nothing. Nothing about the investigation either. I don't know, seems like they keep adding more and more and more characters and elements and side stories without much resolution or advancement or character development -- we see them doing stuff but there is not enough interaction with others to understand backstory or motivation. Feel free to disagree or explain what I'm missing. And, I don't mean the whole series is bad, just that this episode was very unsatisfying to me as it felt like it really added very little to what we already knew.
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Caprica
Mar 21, 2010 1:02:11 GMT -5
Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Mar 21, 2010 1:02:11 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, the writers are definately evil... in the best way possible. What gets me is Joe Adama, previously pretty much a wannabee badass and really merely a venal shyster (remember the scene with the judge insisting to be bribed in person?), turning into a virtual bad-ass. Julia, because his victims are only virtually dead, of course. I know! Sam telling Joe that he convinces himself it's only a game in order to commit cold-blooded murder gave Joe the cojones, I guess, to get all virtually Al Capone. ;D I can't believe next week is the season finale already. I'll be interested in seeing how Joe's virtual persona affects his RL one. And, what Sam will think when he notices a change. And, what will Joe think when he meets oh-so-angry Tamara. Oy. It's gonna be a roller coaster ride next week. Of course "Season Finale" is Sly Lie double-speak; there's actually another half to this season in the can. Worst of all, this means SGU is coming back in a couple of weeks. Ugh. Julia, I gave it six episodes worth of a chance, and could not get into it whatsoever.
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Caprica
Mar 21, 2010 13:22:23 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Mar 21, 2010 13:22:23 GMT -5
[ Fun fact/Buffy connection. They've used Buffy names when naming a couple of characters. Clarice Willow and Cyrus Xander. Isn't Espenson a show-runner? Well, I thought this show was mostly filler. More of the same. With storylines and characters that started out having something in common and now have gone off so divergently that it's like 2 (or more) mini-episodes of separate shows. Last week: hunting for Tamara. This week: more hunting for Tamara. With no explanation of who set up Cap City to be the way it is or what the object is (I would hate that game). I thought she was young and scared and lost and suddenly she's all in control? And why can't she come out of Cap City and be some other (less "lethal"/restrictive part of V-world? Adama has totally forsaken his son again -- which doesn't make me a fan either. Meanwhile there is Daddy and the Robot. Man! does she hate him -- but why? We don't really know why she was leaving home do we? Was it really more than simple teenage rebellion. Because she must really hate him and the mom to not let them know she is there. And then there is the mom -- totally different plotline. And nothing advanced this week at all -- it seemed like "running in place" until we could get to the big finale next week. Didn't seem very well paced to me. Joss was good at pacing so there were constant payoffs even while other storylines continued on. And we heard so much about the STO and now nothing. Nothing about the investigation either. I don't know, seems like they keep adding more and more and more characters and elements and side stories without much resolution or advancement or character development -- we see them doing stuff but there is not enough interaction with others to understand backstory or motivation. Feel free to disagree or explain what I'm missing. And, I don't mean the whole series is bad, just that this episode was very unsatisfying to me as it felt like it really added very little to what we already knew. Jane E started off as the showrunner, but it was handed off to Kevin Murphy. She co-produces and has only written one show this season - the talk show epsiode. Too bad she isn't writing more eps, although I they have been pretty good about adding humurous touches, this episode (Ghost in the Machine) was a dark one. I think Zoe's rebellion and apparent hatred of her father is very realistic if you take into account the cold and sterile world she has grown up in and also the fact that she is very smart and an independent thinker. She is in a classic power struggle with her father, and frankly, I don't blame her for not trusting him. Like the dog could sense that Zoe is in the robot, she obviously has sensed that her father is a cold/power-hungry human - hence her previously searching for something to fill that hole inside her that her father has failed to do. Kind of like how kids turn to cults to fill something missing in their lives. Plus, her mother - with her mental problems and drug issues - was absent, if not physically, mentally/emotionally while she was growing up. Remember the first episode when her mother hit her? That was very telling as to their relationship. As far as Tamara is concerned, we don't know much about her background, but if her brother's relationship with his father is any indication, she was probably neglected by her father as well. Having sensed her power right away in the New Cap world had to have been exhilerating. As you say, there are a lot of storyline threads and not much actual connections so far - but a lot of parallel connections. The first 13 eps of Buffy were more MotW-like, until it found its legs. Next week JM is back as Barnabas. Yay!
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Caprica
Mar 21, 2010 15:54:07 GMT -5
Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Mar 21, 2010 15:54:07 GMT -5
[ Fun fact/Buffy connection. They've used Buffy names when naming a couple of characters. Clarice Willow and Cyrus Xander. Isn't Espenson a show-runner? Well, I thought this show was mostly filler. More of the same. With storylines and characters that started out having something in common and now have gone off so divergently that it's like 2 (or more) mini-episodes of separate shows. Last week: hunting for Tamara. This week: more hunting for Tamara. With no explanation of who set up Cap City to be the way it is or what the object is (I would hate that game). I thought she was young and scared and lost and suddenly she's all in control? And why can't she come out of Cap City and be some other (less "lethal"/restrictive part of V-world? Adama has totally forsaken his son again -- which doesn't make me a fan either. Meanwhile there is Daddy and the Robot. Man! does she hate him -- but why? We don't really know why she was leaving home do we? Was it really more than simple teenage rebellion. Because she must really hate him and the mom to not let them know she is there. And then there is the mom -- totally different plotline. And nothing advanced this week at all -- it seemed like "running in place" until we could get to the big finale next week. Didn't seem very well paced to me. Joss was good at pacing so there were constant payoffs even while other storylines continued on. And we heard so much about the STO and now nothing. Nothing about the investigation either. I don't know, seems like they keep adding more and more and more characters and elements and side stories without much resolution or advancement or character development -- we see them doing stuff but there is not enough interaction with others to understand backstory or motivation. Feel free to disagree or explain what I'm missing. And, I don't mean the whole series is bad, just that this episode was very unsatisfying to me as it felt like it really added very little to what we already knew. I think the "why" of Cap City is implicit in the "why" of BSG: left to themselves in an environment deprived of real consequences, human beings or at least their virtual creations are mean SOBs who prefer making other's lives miserable to cooperating and making joy. Julia, not that anyone who's played a MMPRPG would disagree completely
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Caprica
Mar 22, 2010 9:03:59 GMT -5
Post by Squeemonster on Mar 22, 2010 9:03:59 GMT -5
Holy crap. Zoelon knew the gun weight was off. So, I guess I can't get mad at her for shooting Caesar, but, she sure hates daddy. . .. I guess I'm angriest at the writers, then. ;D Yeah, that REALLY upset me. I didn't know how to feel that this show I love so much almost went there. They sure had me fooled.
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