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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 31, 2006 10:31:58 GMT -5
Okay. So, first off, I'm sick of that Pomeranian Woman. Holding the dog while you frost cupcakes? Disgusting. And "better halves". Both the husband and Alter!Nikki? And Hiro and Ando And Claire's Adopted Parents and her FakeReal Parents. And Isaac and Peter. And Peter and Nathaniel.
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Post by Sara on Oct 31, 2006 10:56:48 GMT -5
This was one heck of an episode, and I'm looking forward to reading all the comments later. Before I forget, however, before it's time to feed cats and wake Kitty, Sara called it! Last week, the PanUniversal Voice of Reason said, <snipped> I've wondered for a while whether Niki's alter ego didn't commit the murders D.L. was arrested for. Go Sara! Anne, I'll do some kind of dance of awe and worship after I wake up, 'kay? P.S. I think you guys have covered all the burbles I wanted to burble. Good, wasn't it? No dancing necessary, though.
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Post by Sara on Oct 31, 2006 11:05:58 GMT -5
My favorite moment: The utter rapture on Hiro's face when he said "I had a sword?" I hope Niki's dead--that DL stopped her heart for good--because she has no control over Mad Dog Killer Niki. Actually, I was hoping that this particular alter ego is dead, leaving Niki alive to consciously create one that'll actually do what Niki tells it to. I also personally find it intriguing that while the doppelgänger stopped what she was doing when Micah came in the room, D.L. apparently had few qualms about potentially killing his son's mother right in front of the kid. Oh, on an interesting side note: apparently Niki's alter ego is referred to as Jessica by the folks working behind the scenes at the show. From a conversation between Greg Beeman, the episode's director, and Ali Larter: GB: Talk about Niki and Jessica and the experience of playing these two very different characters.
AL: Before episode 6, really from the pilot, I felt deeply connected to Niki. She’s a voice I know. It’s more work to play Jessica.
GB: Even though Jessica is more like you?
AL: I know. I know.
GB: Why is that?
AL: Niki is so honest. She’s sensitive to the world around her. She’s my voice for women in bad situations who are trying to do the right thing. There’s something very honorable about her.
GB: And what about Jessica?
AL: Jessica is a struggle, because I have to own my sexuality and my voice to play her. I can’t rely on my emotional life.
GB: Because Jessica is so clearly focused and goal oriented? She seems like she’s very “Need-Plan-Result” oriented. There’s no second-guessing, or self-doubt in her.
AL: Exactly.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 31, 2006 11:10:21 GMT -5
Dang. And Hiro and Ando haven't even made it out of Vegas yet. There goes that city.... Matthew, I read somewhere that we shouldn't necessarily assume that time on the show moves in concert with RL time. Actually, like LOST, the entire season might actually take place over just a few weeks. Whatever it was I read didn't spell that out, just suggested it. The reason I think it matters is that they were either careful or lucky in specifying a Monday - which happens to be the night the show airs. Could be wrong, though. Hell, GG goes back-to-back with the season ender and the first ep or two of the season and then jumps ahead a few months; Heroes could easily just have Hiro already be in New York by next week.
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Post by artemis on Oct 31, 2006 11:13:34 GMT -5
before i read what anybody else had to say, i'm noting my own initial impression here: i thought this episode was a strange mix of the predictable and the confusing. for example, i was totally unsurprised that d.l. followed niki (what's the proper spelling for her name anyway?) at the end, while also being really confused as to why niki's alter ego wanted so incredibly desperately to keep d.l. absolutely, completely, fully away from micah.
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Post by artemis on Oct 31, 2006 11:22:55 GMT -5
I hope Niki's dead--that DL stopped her heart for good--because she has no control over Mad Dog Killer Niki. she has choices, though. when the alterna!niki told her the plan, niki chose to do it. i think it's very deliberate on the part of the writers that we saw her make that choice.
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Post by artemis on Oct 31, 2006 11:26:35 GMT -5
Aha!!! I knew it!! Neighbor girl is working for scary!daddy! Ooops. And she told him about the "save the cheerleader thing. after watching this episode, i think that the father is a grey hat at worst, not a black hat. he seems genuinely interested in the various reported powers (i loved his "that's cool." upon hearing the report of someone who can stop time) and i'm now thinking his whole pedophelia air might be meant as a red herring.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 31, 2006 11:33:43 GMT -5
Aha!!! I knew it!! Neighbor girl is working for scary!daddy! Ooops. And she told him about the "save the cheerleader thing. after watching this episode, i think that the father is a grey hat at worst, not a black hat. he seems genuinely interested in the various reported powers (i loved his "that's cool." upon hearing the report of someone who can stop time) and i'm now thinking his whole pedophelia air might be meant as a red herring. I think he's conflicted about Claire - she's his daughter, not just some girl with super powers. It'll be interesting to see which way he chooses to go if/when his bosses tell him to bring in the cheerleader for examination. Anne, still having trouble with "save the cheerleader"/"defy the chicken"
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Post by Sara on Oct 31, 2006 11:41:25 GMT -5
Matthew, I read somewhere that we shouldn't necessarily assume that time on the show moves in concert with RL time. Actually, like LOST, the entire season might actually take place over just a few weeks. Whatever it was I read didn't spell that out, just suggested it. The reason I think it matters is that they were either careful or lucky in specifying a Monday - which happens to be the night the show airs. Could be wrong, though. Hell, GG goes back-to-back with the season ender and the first ep or two of the season and then jumps ahead a few months; Heroes could easily just have Hiro already be in New York by next week. From series creator Tim Kring, in a TV Guide interview: In the October 2 episode, Hiro traveled through time to November 8, when he saw New York City destroyed in a nuclear explosion. Does that mean the heroes only have until the real November 8 to prevent the bomb? TV dates and real-world dates may coincide once in a while, but don't read too much into this particular concurrence. "The truth is that the show takes place in a much different time frame," Kring says. "When we have cliff-hanger endings, you're not coming back a week later; you're coming back instantly. So I would not get too locked into thinking something will happen by [the real] November 8. [Our] November 8 might not come until the end of the season."
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Post by artemis on Oct 31, 2006 11:41:50 GMT -5
AL: Jessica is a struggle, because I have to own my sexuality and my voice to play her. I can’t rely on my emotional life. GB: Because Jessica is so clearly focused and goal oriented? She seems like she’s very “Need-Plan-Result” oriented. There’s no second-guessing, or self-doubt in her. AL: Exactly. so is she trying to say that alterna!niki / jessica is the one who did the web stripping? i guess that would fit with her being the one who slept with nathaniel. so if that's true - then niki has meant it literally all those times she's specified that the woman on the webcam isn't her, that it's someone else. and that would be an interesting take on how many sex workers report that they dissociate when they do their work, that they feel like they leave their bodies - turning it into a literal interpretation of that.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 31, 2006 11:50:55 GMT -5
Matthew, I read somewhere that we shouldn't necessarily assume that time on the show moves in concert with RL time. Actually, like LOST, the entire season might actually take place over just a few weeks. Whatever it was I read didn't spell that out, just suggested it. The reason I think it matters is that they were either careful or lucky in specifying a Monday - which happens to be the night the show airs. Could be wrong, though. Hell, GG goes back-to-back with the season ender and the first ep or two of the season and then jumps ahead a few months; Heroes could easily just have Hiro already be in New York by next week. Oh, I was joking. I figured that since the last three episodes have taken place over the course of a day-and-a-half, (or so) that it's still middle October for Hiro, Claire, Isaac, et. al. I reckoned that the timestamp of Hiro jumping back to his own day and having it be the day of broadcast was just to set the currency of it. I reckon after they save the cheerleader and the world, they'll let time adjust again. Heck, it's still 2004/2005 on the LOST island.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 31, 2006 11:52:49 GMT -5
The reason I think it matters is that they were either careful or lucky in specifying a Monday - which happens to be the night the show airs. Could be wrong, though. Hell, GG goes back-to-back with the season ender and the first ep or two of the season and then jumps ahead a few months; Heroes could easily just have Hiro already be in New York by next week. From series creator Tim Kring, in a TV Guide interview: In the October 2 episode, Hiro traveled through time to November 8, when he saw New York City destroyed in a nuclear explosion. Does that mean the heroes only have until the real November 8 to prevent the bomb? TV dates and real-world dates may coincide once in a while, but don't read too much into this particular concurrence. "The truth is that the show takes place in a much different time frame," Kring says. "When we have cliff-hanger endings, you're not coming back a week later; you're coming back instantly. So I would not get too locked into thinking something will happen by [the real] November 8. [Our] November 8 might not come until the end of the season."Or, ya know, that. Yeah.
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Post by fish1941 on Oct 31, 2006 11:52:56 GMT -5
I don't know about that.
Like everyone else, Nikki probably has both light and shadow sides in her nature. I suspect that Nikki is one of those types who has difficulty accepting this reality and desperately wants to believe that she is inherently good. This belief may had developed a Jekyll/Hyde persona. Her super-strength comes out in her Jessica personality.
If Nikki ever learns to control (not supress) Jessica, she might learn how to use her strength without allowing the darker side of her nature to overwhelm her.
I believe that D.L.'s shadow came out when "Jessica" was trying to kill him. And it must have been difficult trying to stop killing his wife in front of his son, when Nikki/Jessica (said wife) was on the verge of trying to kill him.
Also . . . Nikki/Jessica could afford to stop when Micah came in. She had already tossed D.L. across the room.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 31, 2006 11:54:29 GMT -5
before i read what anybody else had to say, i'm noting my own initial impression here: i thought this episode was a strange mix of the predictable and the confusing. for example, i was totally unsurprised that d.l. followed niki (what's the proper spelling for her name anyway?) at the end, while also being really confused as to why niki's alter ego wanted so incredibly desperately to keep d.l. absolutely, completely, fully away from micah. Well, Niki's alter-ego is just a leetle bit intense, and doesn't seem to care much about shades of gray.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 31, 2006 11:55:28 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Like everyone else, Nikki probably has both light and shadow sides in her nature. I suspect that Nikki is one of those types who has difficulty accepting this reality and desperately wants to believe that she is inherently good. This belief may had developed a Jekyll/Hyde persona. Her super-strength comes out in her Jessica personality. If Nikki ever learns to control (not supress) Jessica, she might learn how to use her strength without allowing the darker side of her nature to overwhelm her. I believe that D.L.'s shadow came out when "Jessica" was trying to kill him. And it must have been difficult trying to stop killing his wife in front of his son, when Nikki/Jessica (said wife) was on the verge of trying to kill him. Also . . . Nikki/Jessica could afford to stop when Micah came in. She had already tossed D.L. across the room. Very good points, and well-put.
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