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Post by Lola m on Nov 8, 2006 23:09:04 GMT -5
I'm thinking his wife's expressions had to do with the fact that he was somehow responsible for her current paralysis, and she has already forgiven him for his role, but he hasn't forgiven himself: hence he walks on eggs around her. That said, he's probably gonna practice his "mwuhahah!" laugh, but from what I've seen of him so far, he's pragmatic, moderately ruthless, but not so much with the evil. See, here's the thing - I was with you on that until he lied to his brother about the painting. After everything Peter'd done for him at that breakfast, he lied about something he knew was important to his brother's search for his own identity. Evil. I'm not sure about the evil, but it definitely makes me question even more what the heck is going on with Lindeman and the campaign and everything.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 8, 2006 23:11:42 GMT -5
Part IV Matt's wife and Nathan's wife should start a club. He needed to be with some one who didn't make him feel guilty. What is the value of a superpower? Well, flying is fun, for one thing. #metoo# Heeee! But you're right, it actually is a good nickname. I'm wondering if they are the first steps in getting the full out stylized helix symbol thing? Maybe she's realizing he's got powers now too and she needs a bit more oomph than she usually does?
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Post by Lola m on Nov 8, 2006 23:12:43 GMT -5
Myself, I'd put Jessica in the bad column and leave Niki either undecided or leaning toward good. I dunno. I see...tendencies...in her. Even when she's Niki and not Jessica. I know she's desperate, but deliberately calling out someone she knows is a serial killer (Jessica) is a step too far. Her son was gone, yeah, and she'd be freaking out, but also - she knows he's with his father, and I'm pretty sure his father wouldn't hurt him, so Micah wasn't in any immediate danger. I had some serious moral issues with both her calls - to Jessica and to Nathan. Also, I remain unconvinced that Niki and Jessica are really different people. I think the odds of them becoming integrated at some point are high. Maybe after Niki finds a good shrink. Tendencies, yes. But I'm not sure how far along the path she is. Although, she seems to be deliberately heading farther down it.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 8, 2006 23:13:19 GMT -5
And I'm glad her alter-ego didn't kill her confidante later. It was very chilling when Micah said so matter of factly, "put my mom on the phone". Ohhh I loved that. Micah has been a bit meh to me up to now as I haven't really felt his personality strong enough yet and he just seemed like a product-placed "intelligent and in danger" child. I loved this - not just for the superpower reveal (I kind of think that was a given) but for the way that we are now clued into the whole he knows about Jessica, he's talked to Jessica before. That was awesome. **nods** He was so . . . matter of fact.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 8, 2006 23:15:18 GMT -5
Greg made an interesting observation to me this morning. If Sylar were to steal the abilities of the guy we met last night, and then steal Claire's regenerative power, he could go nuclear in the middle of New York City and know he'd live to tell the tale. Hee! He could - unless someone gathered up all his pieces and buried them in separate boxes all around the world. #rofl1# It's actually a scary idea, isn't it though?
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Post by Lola m on Nov 8, 2006 23:17:39 GMT -5
And yet . . . even after Hiro had decided to use his power for good, Ando managed to tempt him into using his power to cheat at gambling. The Future!Hiro that we had saw in Episodes 2/3 might only be a possible Hiro. As they say . . . the future is not certain. AU!Future!Hiro perhaps, even. I mean, if he's from a future where they didn't save Claire and so he came to tell them they need to . . . I think they're all gonna have opportunities to choose how to react to what they can do. And they're all gonna fail sometimes. The real thing will be to see if they learn from those mistakes and keep to a "hero's path" or if they start to use their abilities in a selfish or bad way.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 9, 2006 8:25:12 GMT -5
I dunno. I see...tendencies...in her. Even when she's Niki and not Jessica. I know she's desperate, but deliberately calling out someone she knows is a serial killer (Jessica) is a step too far. Her son was gone, yeah, and she'd be freaking out, but also - she knows he's with his father, and I'm pretty sure his father wouldn't hurt him, so Micah wasn't in any immediate danger. I had some serious moral issues with both her calls - to Jessica and to Nathan. Also, I remain unconvinced that Niki and Jessica are really different people. I think the odds of them becoming integrated at some point are high. Maybe after Niki finds a good shrink. Tendencies, yes. But I'm not sure how far along the path she is. Although, she seems to be deliberately heading farther down it. Which reminds me of Angel/Angelus, now that I think of it, and why did that take me so long? I think my brain-batteries need a recharge.
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Post by Maria on Nov 13, 2006 10:52:02 GMT -5
Mm-hmm. I think he might even need Claire first, in order to get close enough to radiation-guy to capture him and, you know, sever his head.
Hence "save the cheerleader..."
Re: Nathan lying about the picture...Maybe he's more curious about these powers than he's let on...and he wants to know what's going on ...
But doesn't want to encourage Peter.
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Post by fish1941 on Nov 13, 2006 11:07:32 GMT -5
Perhaps Matt and Nathan's wife should start a club.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 13, 2006 11:14:36 GMT -5
Perhaps Matt and Nathan's wife should start a club. Hee!
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Post by Sara on Nov 13, 2006 12:09:18 GMT -5
Perhaps Matt and Nathan's wife should start a club. #rofl1#
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Post by Lola m on Nov 13, 2006 23:22:55 GMT -5
Mm-hmm. I think he might even need Claire first, in order to get close enough to radiation-guy to capture him and, you know, sever his head. Hence "save the cheerleader..." Re: Nathan lying about the picture...Maybe he's more curious about these powers than he's let on...and he wants to know what's going on ... But doesn't want to encourage Peter. I think that might be a very good quess. He wants to figure out more about the powers, but not letting Peter in on it. Which could just be him being cautious, or could be him being . . . sneaky.
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Post by Shan on Nov 26, 2006 18:46:58 GMT -5
<edit> Pardon if this is re-do's of the discussions - I caught up on these all at once and have been watching them a 2nd time to fill in the interruption-blanks. I couldn't come to the discussion threads before I watched and I haven't caught up with them since.</edit> I just re-watched this episode and had the thought that Niki's "superpower" is being the uber-protector of the offspring, like the ultimate mama-bear. After all, what's all this evolution FOR if the offspring are not viable and protected until THEY can reproduce or make some other contribution? Then I argued with myself: Why the hell would Jessica set D.L. up and effectively not only get rid of the one other person who also had a vested interest in protecting Michah but then put Micah in FURTHER danger by allowing Niki to make the debt-deal with Linderman? Arguing with myself still: Maybe D.L. had already set the $2M deal in motion before Jessica was on the scene. Or maybe that's what prompted Jessica to have reason enough to "come out" in the first place. Because going from a $30K a year construction worker (that's probably a bogus figure, considering the Las Vegas cost of living) to a $2M mob deal shrieks "Danger, dumass!" real loud to me. I can see why Jessica would want to get D.L. off the scene, in that case. She wouldn't try to talk D.L. out of the crazy mob deal because it's not like logical discussions are her strong point. Also, if D.L. was only earning $30K a year when he was with the family, Niki HAD to have had some sort of employment. That's barely enough to live on in Wichita; it's got to be next to nothing in Las Vegas. What part of "sound career choice" was she thinking of when she decided to become an internet stripper? Jeez, is Jessica protecting Micah from BOTH Niki and D.L.?
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Post by Queen E on Jan 26, 2007 20:08:22 GMT -5
Just wanted to give my kudos to Sara for her awesome review in this episode. There were so many reveals in this episode about how much each of the characters keeps hidden. (That made more sense in my head.)
Some points I loved: Nathan's "flowchart" and how exactly you can trust someone who lies with such facility, set against Peter's "openness." It's as if one is incapable of sharing anything, and one can't help but share everything. If the heroes' abilities could be looked at metaphorically, Nathan's power of flight would push the interpretation that he can't truly be tethered to anything...
Paralleling the Niki/Jessica divide to Angel/Angelus. Excellent! And then you developed it further in your discussion of DL and Micah and the secrets they keep.
Finally, I'm completely with you on the amazing character development we've seen with Claire; a character that could have been a Buffy-clone really comes into her own in the episode.
Most rockin' good work, Sara!
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Post by Lola m on Jan 27, 2007 13:30:02 GMT -5
Another one knocked out of the park, Sara! You really made me think and re-analyze this ep.
It was perfect to start with Nathan – his story keeps weaving around and through everything even as he tries to stay distant from his (and other people’s) powers. And to compare and contrast him with Peter.
When I read your line:
It immediately made me think how this aspect of him will play out as he starts to be more involved with the Heroes, drawn into the group who are trying to avert the explosion. He is so astonished and intrigued by what he is seeing; will it crack the cynical shell he has built for himself? Or will his cultivated automatic dishonesty disrupt things? Each time Peter dreams, it changes or shifts slightly (perhaps because each action he takes alters the possible future a bit?), but each time Nathan seems to be . . . both enigmatic (can’t quite tell what part he is playing) and yet also a key element. A trigger, of sorts?
Good that you brought in the Niki!Jessica and Angel!Angelus parallel that we've been talking about. Also, I hadn’t really thought of it, but I totally agree with your assessment that D.L. is, even in recent eps, to some extent, denying what happened in the bedroom fight. Yes, he intellectually knows what is going on, from what Micah has told him and what he’s learned factually, but I think part of him is holding himself back from really feeling it all. Not really wanting to grasp just how . . . extreme things are with Niki and her alter. Because he still loves her.
Much eetahing and nodding and agreement when you highlighted the parts with Micah being the most unexpected and jaw-dropping and wow of the ep. Even though he doesn’t have lots of screen time (to be expected with a child actor/role) I’m finding Micah to be one of the most intriging and exciting characters. He understands much more than the adults do, I think.
At the time of first watching, I clearly saw the connection between Micah and Hiro; each of them really knowing what a real hero should be like. But after reading this review, I also see a strong similarity between Micah and Claire; both non-adults growing into their power and facing them both more directly and yet also very able to show only what they want to show on the surface (we’re witnessing this even more with Claire in the most recent eps). I think I had my own version of your “magic eye” moment of clarity.
I nodded along to all your bulleted “other thoughts” – but particularly Hiro’s enjoyment of the frozen explosion, Simone’s oh-so-real depiction of grief, and the pain of Mohinderlessness.
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