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Post by Sara on Jan 23, 2007 11:29:31 GMT -5
Hmm... something just occurred to me. Was Peter invisible because CE was touching him, or was it because he'd already absorbed CE's power? Good question. We were discussing that here (at the office), and couldn't remember if we saw that the wallet he took turned invisible. I'd vote for Peter absorbing his power, because otherwise wouldn't the sidewalk be invisible? Unless, of course, he's learned how to control that aspect of it. Were there any reports of a black hole forming 6 months ago? His clothes are invisible, though—people would've noticed an empty set of clothes floating around, otherwise. And he was standing there holding the woman's wallet out of her purse as he rifled through it without any apparent concern she might notice such an unusual sight. So it definitely seems like he can turn other things invisible, most likely through contact with his skin. Which would explain why the sidewalk didn't change (his shoes would prevent it) but the things he took instantly disappeared. However, I'd say it's hard to determine either way as we were essentially in Peter's shoes: able to see Claude even though no one else could; the only time we got the perspective of the average Joe was when they were struggling, and that was pretty brief.
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Post by Sara on Jan 23, 2007 11:31:15 GMT -5
Yeah, and bad-daddy doesn't have the kind of money for the setup under the paper factory (or wholesale warehouse, or whatever it is). So I'm with Sara on the idea that he works for Linderman. I have a feeling - and it's a non-spoilery feeling - that Linderman is Claire's mom, not dad. Have we ever heard of Linderman referred to 'Mr.'? Yup. Nathan called him "Mr. Linderman" when he asked for the painting, as did Linderman's aide in Las Vegas when talking to Niki. And those are just the first two times that spring to mind. ETA: If you go here and do a find for "Linderman," you'll see Nathan said "Mr. Linderman" in the very first ep.
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Post by Karen on Jan 23, 2007 11:35:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling - and it's a non-spoilery feeling - that Linderman is Claire's mom, not dad. Have we ever heard of Linderman referred to 'Mr.'? Yup. Nathan called him "Mr. Linderman" when he asked for the painting, as did Linderman's aide in Las Vegas when talking to Niki. And those are just the first two times that spring to mind. Well, shoot. There goes that theory. I bet it's going to be a while until we see Linderman.
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Post by Karen on Jan 23, 2007 11:39:47 GMT -5
I have a feeling - and it's a non-spoilery feeling - that Linderman is Claire's mom, not dad. Have we ever heard of Linderman referred to 'Mr.'? Actually, I think he's frequently been referred to as "Mr." But I could be imagining that.... Now that you all say it, I remember that, too. Could be a mislead, tho. She could be using someone else as her visible contact, while remaining anonymous. I should shut up, since none of this has any basis in fact, except for the fact that we haven't met Linderman yet.
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Post by Sara on Jan 23, 2007 12:12:54 GMT -5
I just read the EW recap of this ep, in which the reviewer wrote the following about Niki: "She flipped back and forth between the two personalities in a Gollum-like scene with her lawyer..."
Not only is that the perfect way to describe it, but it also prompted Greg to say the following when I shared it with him:
"Yes exactly...next thing you know she's going to be calling Micah "my precious." Followed shortly by Greg adding ""They trixed us! Filthy lawyer, they took our precious!""
;D
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jan 23, 2007 12:18:42 GMT -5
Actually, I think he's frequently been referred to as "Mr." But I could be imagining that.... Now that you all say it, I remember that, too. Could be a mislead, tho. She could be using someone else as her visible contact, while remaining anonymous. I should shut up, since none of this has any basis in fact, except for the fact that we haven't met Linderman yet. I just watched the preview for next week again, and the first thing I thought of when Claire (apparently) reached her birth mother by phone was Nathan's and Peter's mom, perhaps because she's the only other mom we've seen so far. Besides Niki, that is, but something about the voice reminded me of her. Anne, no idea what I'm talking about anyway
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Post by Sara on Jan 23, 2007 12:21:27 GMT -5
More from EW:
Didn't you think the scene between H.R.G. and Mohinder was a little too reminiscent of a Darth Vader speech. (''You've no doubt realized things can go terribly wrong with these abilities. If you work with me, we can control that. Together we can actually make a difference.'' Yes, H.R.G., and rule the galaxy as well). And am I the only one who thinks the closing narrations are getting more and more incomprehensible? I wrote this episode's down and listened to it twice. It still sounds like utter nonsense.
To which I say: yes, and word.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:10:12 GMT -5
Peter wakes up raving and leaves the hospital. Well, I guess we could see that one coming. Simone - heeee! She's so . . . . innocently happy. "You can paint the future!" But then, noooooooooo! Don't go running to Linderman!!!!!! Dang. Off to Vegas again. Oh, and Peter too? Well, seeking out the desert and past nuclear test sites is actually . . . . sort of logical. If he really thinks he can't control it. Sees the Doctor stealing . . . . Oh! He's invisible! "You can see me?! No one sees me!" So, I guess Peter just . . . went invisible too, when he got in range of the guy? And now our ending montage. Niki and Sylar both drugged up and locked in. Mohinder talking about imposing order onto chaos. And then, oopsie - here comes Jessica. "Who needs God when you have me." Yeah. 'Cuz you're doing such a bang up job helping out so far, aren't you. Good ep! Wrapped things up from where stuff was last time but also kept the plot moving forward. Lots of new directions to go. And don't forget, Sylar was staring at a cockroach—which is what Mohinder suggested God might be in the very first episode. Oooooh! Clever thinking, you! I noticed the very blatant cockroach, 'cuz it was definitely filmed in a "notice the cockroach - see it! see it!" way. But all it made me think of was Renfield and then, of course, poor Xander.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:13:40 GMT -5
so I am understanding correctly HRG seems to be trying to get his hands on that list so he can continue to recruit "Heroes" for his own purpose, which I still am not convinced he is specifically a bad guy, maybe misguided but not all bad, I could be completely off in that statement though. it seems he is trying to get rid of the ones that cant control thier power, or that may have a chance of "going bad" hence his capture and rehabilitation of Eden and getting her to help his cause, his now capture of Syler. his cleaning up of Isaac so he can paint without being drugged up. less chance of him loosing control. Claire I think he is just trying to protect. although it may be that he does not know if she can control her power or not just yet. Nicely summed up. I think you are very right with this concept. Ooooh, I like it. And it makes it even more important to find out how Linderman fits into all this. Bad!daddy's boss? Something else? It's making me even more interested in the Haitian as a character, for sure. I'm really looking forward to more Micah as well.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:16:06 GMT -5
Nope. Not DNA. Makes me happy, since it was so very badly drawn. And...I really do have to say this: The Human Genome Project does not work the way Mohinder seems to think it works. They sequenced ONE human. One. Craig Venter, unless I'm very much mistaken. You can't trace ANY genetic markers using the Human Genome Project. Not the way they're talking about doing it. Heee! ;D But maybe this is from a super-secret hidden part of the HG Project! An agency created to balance out the one that papercompany!daddy is running!
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:17:39 GMT -5
Hey. So the symbol is a mixture of Japanese characters? Great talent and Godsend? Interesting. I think it must also have to do with being a warped version of a double helix, though, too. Considering the theme of mutating people and all. Maybe the ancient sacred symbols sort of . . . predicted this future or something? Or maybe the ancient Japanese hero was ... Hiro? I like your brain.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:20:14 GMT -5
I was good, I didn't look here last night. So, there is one thing that occurred to me while I was watching Claire talk to the Haitian - Claire's Dawn. Claire is Key Girl (which she is; "Save the cheerleader, save the world"). Claire says things like (paraphrasing, because, half-asleep), I don't know who I am, my life is a lie. Everybody else probably figured this out weeks ago. Sorry, I'm slow. Anne, and now we know where Hiro enountered dinosaurs (the sword is a fake!) Oooooh, I like that analogy a lot. It's even better than just a Claire = Buffy analogy, because all the Heroes have superpowers, so there has to be something else going with Claire to make it be so important that she be saved. (Loved loved loved that the dinosaurs were at a museum. ;D)
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:21:25 GMT -5
I was good, I didn't look here last night. So, there is one thing that occurred to me while I was watching Claire talk to the Haitian - Claire's Dawn. Claire is Key Girl (which she is; "Save the cheerleader, save the world"). Claire says things like (paraphrasing, because, half-asleep), I don't know who I am, my life is a lie. Everybody else probably figured this out weeks ago. Sorry, I'm slow. Anne, and now we know where Hiro enountered dinosaurs (the sword is a fake!) I'm not sure if anyone else made that connection. Huh. Wonder who Ben/Glory is. If she's the Key, I wonder what she opens. I'm going to love watching CE mentor Peter. His character seems to be one of those not really 'worthy of his power'. Hopefully, he'll begin to embrace his destiny and not become a Sylar. But with snark. **nods to all** Because it's all about the snark.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:30:32 GMT -5
I was good, I didn't look here last night. So, there is one thing that occurred to me while I was watching Claire talk to the Haitian - Claire's Dawn. Claire is Key Girl (which she is; "Save the cheerleader, save the world"). Claire says things like (paraphrasing, because, half-asleep), I don't know who I am, my life is a lie. Everybody else probably figured this out weeks ago. Sorry, I'm slow. Anne, and now we know where Hiro enountered dinosaurs (the sword is a fake!) I must have missed, or not remembered, the following:
1. When did Nathan hook up with Isaac and come to see the paintings? I can't remember the specific ep . . . maybe an ep or two before Isaac got grabbed? Anyone else have a better memory than mine? Good question. Did Peter actually encounter him, or was he in a room near to him? Or are we all (including Peter) jumping to the nuclear explanation too early and his issues are actually something else? And wouldn't they have noticed at the hospital if he was really radioactive? **nods to all** She's seeing the end result of the decisions he's made because he loves her, and not liking them. She's probably not really realising the strength of his motive because she doesn't know the full picture - all the other powered people he's been grabbing and so on. Not that his decisions are necesarily the best, but I do believe he does love Claire. I'm hoping they can explore all the other possible dynamics. Like first they just have to figure out and prevent this first threat. But then, do they organise? Does the world find out about them? What is the next threat they have to face? And so on. [/color][/quote] Mmmmmmmohinder.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 23, 2007 13:32:15 GMT -5
I must have missed, or not remembered, the following:
1. When did Nathan hook up with Isaac and come to see the paintings?
2. How is Peter connected to Nuclear Man, that suddenly he's radioactive?
Anyway, the highlight for me was, unquestionably, the Hiro/Nathan interaction, not only the Flying Man! Whoosh! bit, but Nathan's correcting Hiro's pronounciation, which for some reason utterly tickled me. I think Nathan could really use someone like Hiro around...
Claire's saying that she doesn't know who she is strikes me as very teenager/young adult, everyone goes through it. The bit about her whole life being a lie, not so much, maybe because her whole life is, in one respect, a lie.
One thing that is true, that she doesn't recognize, is that HRG does really love Claire as his daughter. I wonder how much he is going to do to his family to keep it from understanding things; how many mind-wipes before the brain gets damaged - no wonder Mrs. Bennet doesn't seem all there. And where did baby brother come from? More employees, or did HRG and the Missus actually reproduce on their own?
What worries me for the future of the show, which is having a dynamite, kickass first season, is if HEROES can maintain an appeal when some of the mystery is gone, when Hiro is a little more mature and less goofy/fanboyish, when the current heroes have met each other and learn to use their powers to some positive end? I really hope the show doesn't downgrade as I think, unfortunately, LOST (which I still watch, or will when it returns) has done.
And I would really like to see a Mohinder (still the sexiest mouth on television) and Hiro meeting and conversation - I don't know what they'd think of each other, but it could be fun.
I'd like to see Nathan fly again, too.
GAIL
I don't think Peter ever met Radioactive Guy. I think he's dreaming the possible future he picked up from Isaac. I've been wondering how mindwiped Mrs Bennet really is - what if she's in cahoots with the Haitian? He seems to have an agenda all his own. Or maybe he's connected in some way to Claire's birth parents, and that's why he didn't wipe her memory. I dunno. Too early in the morning. Or, you know, what Anne just said. ;D I am increasingly interested in the Haitian. Does he have his own agenda? Is there another group or person behind him and he is like . . . . a mole in papercompany!daddy's group?
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