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Post by Lola m on Apr 30, 2007 21:54:29 GMT -5
Man. That was almost too intense for us mere mortals to handle. Thank God Erin is the one reviewing it... ;D I seriously was hyperventilating a bit.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 30, 2007 21:55:22 GMT -5
This show rocks, and tonight's show was amazing. I can't beleive they fooled me with Nathan=Sylar. I was totally blown away by that. Peter also suprised me, I likey I don't even know where to begin with tonight's show. It was amazing. **nods** That's gotta go up there with the top 10 shows of all time. Seriously.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 30, 2007 21:59:51 GMT -5
Totally terrific episode tonight!
Any longtime comix readers reminded of X-MEN #141-142 ("Days of Future Past", classic Claremont/Byrne, with the time traveler coming back in time to prevent the future genoicide of mutants by changing a seminal event)
Still, a slightly different spin on it. In the comic book, the event that had to be prevented was that of a murder; in Heroes, we're told that the only event that can prevent the future is a killing by a man who is not and has no desire to become, a killer. Poor Hiro - will he have to pay this price to save the world? Very interesting twist. And truly, from Hiro's perspective, this is now the hard part. To have to become someone that can kill. But to know you have to, to save countless millions. And to kill a truly evil guy. But still. It takes away a piece of what makes Hiro himself. Soooo took me by surprise. They'd done such a good job of showing us Nathan going to the dark side, and Sylar was so successful in appearing to be not insane-o like he usually is. Then again, he was always good at pretending to be rational, until . . . . [/color][/quote] Peter - wow. Oh, yeah, wow!
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 1, 2007 7:26:12 GMT -5
That... was intense. Well, I was right about Future!Hiro. It was Ando's death that made him the man he is. Was. Will be. Whenever. And while Future!Hiro was trying to make things right, Sylar was going around merrily harvesting souls, tra la tra la. Including, apparently, Candace's and Nathan's. What a horrible situation. Mr. Bennet is running an underground railroad, but, as usual, on his own terms - he's made a deal with Homeland Security to sort out the "bad" Heroes and turn them in. I wonder what his standards for "dangerous" are? Is it just me, or did Future!Peter look a bit like that guy in the Matrix? It was the swishy black coat, I think. There must be other things, but I can't remember what they are and anyway it's almost time to feed the kitties. ETA: Good discussion, S'cubies. By the way, after I'd mentioned Peter reminding me of Matrix guy, we got to the battle of the brothers (except one of them is Sylar) and Paul says, "It's a Matrix-off". Loved the different-colored energies - very Sith vs. Jedi. I think I'll have to watch this one over again. P.S. I don't think Future!Hiro was trying to change things just to bring Ando back - more like Ando was a focus, an anchor for him in the huge task he had to accomplish. Time to wake the younger spawn.
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Post by Pixi on May 1, 2007 7:37:42 GMT -5
Man. That was almost too intense for us mere mortals to handle. Thank God Erin is the one reviewing it... ;D I seriously was hyperventilating a bit. I think my brain is still dribbling out my ears. And thankfully not in a Sylar slicing and dicing way.
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Post by Pixi on May 1, 2007 7:38:16 GMT -5
This show rocks, and tonight's show was amazing. I can't beleive they fooled me with Nathan=Sylar. I was totally blown away by that. Peter also suprised me, I likey I don't even know where to begin with tonight's show. It was amazing. **nods** That's gotta go up there with the top 10 shows of all time. Seriously. I agree.
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Post by Pixi on May 1, 2007 7:40:52 GMT -5
I'm babbling with how much I adored that. Babbling. I loved the way they took every character and deepened and changed things and yet, kept their characters true to what we know now.
This Hiro, hardened, angry, still fighting was great. Loved the Go talk to you, I'm scared of me conversation Hiro/Ando had. Loved the funky timeline in Isaac's place.
I had no idea President Nathan was Sylar. No idea. When he started slicing and dicing Claire I was all - no way. Absolutely awesome. And then the flying and the battle and badass, scarred Peter. Oh my God! That just kicked all kinds of butt. Bravo, writers, bravo. Great scene.
And speaking of Peter. The first reveal with the fadein at the bar. The scarred face. The I haven't had a good battle in years comment. Everything about this worked for me. Everything!
I loved his intensity, his bleak cynical attitude. MV really sold this Peter to me. Though - exactly why is he shacking up with Jessica? (Jessica by the way has always been a bore since her first big moment when she was introduced so I'm perfectly fine with them killing her next.)
Parkman as evil was just sad, scary and believable at the same time. The battle with Mohinder holding the door and Mohinder actually killing the Haitian - awesome. Well done. It was scary.
I don't understand or get yet how Hiro is going to kill Sylar. I'm very confuzzled about the whole blowing up and surviving thing. But it's a good confuzzlement.
This was a fantastic hour of television. I was riveted to my set. I really need to watch this again.
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Post by Pixi on May 1, 2007 8:09:38 GMT -5
it's hard for me to see how bitter and jaded he's gotten. i wonder what happened there... I wonder if it was all just what happened in NY, the explosion? Or was it his child having to be hidden and . . . Or just all of it? So bitter when he blamed Hiro for all of it. You made us all choose sides. It's important to remember these changes. Because what each person turned out to be is due to a bit of what is inside them. What happened to them, yes. But also the kind of person they are. So we need to be on the lookout. Lovely comment. And absolutely.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 1, 2007 8:55:45 GMT -5
I'm babbling with how much I adored that. Babbling. I loved the way they took every character and deepened and changed things and yet, kept their characters true to what we know now. This Hiro, hardened, angry, still fighting was great. Loved the Go talk to you, I'm scared of me conversation Hiro/Ando had. Loved the funky timeline in Isaac's place. I had no idea President Nathan was Sylar. No idea. When he started slicing and dicing Claire I was all - no way. Absolutely awesome. And then the flying and the battle and badass, scarred Peter. Oh my God! That just kicked all kinds of butt. Bravo, writers, bravo. Great scene. And speaking of Peter. The first reveal with the fadein at the bar. The scarred face. The I haven't had a good battle in years comment. Everything about this worked for me. Everything! I loved his intensity, his bleak cynical attitude. MV really sold this Peter to me. Though - exactly why is he shacking up with Jessica? (Jessica by the way has always been a bore since her first big moment when she was introduced so I'm perfectly fine with them killing her next.) Parkman as evil was just sad, scary and believable at the same time. The battle with Mohinder holding the door and Mohinder actually killing the Haitian - awesome. Well done. It was scary. I don't understand or get yet how Hiro is going to kill Sylar. I'm very confuzzled about the whole blowing up and surviving thing. But it's a good confuzzlement. This was a fantastic hour of television. I was riveted to my set. I really need to watch this again. I don't want Hiro to lose his innocence. I do want Sylar stopped. The Sylar-not-Nathan made me think - what if it wasn't really Hiro killing Sylar, in the comic? It could go like this, and please note that this is pure speculation. I have been avoiding spoilers for this show like the proverbial plague: There's a shapeshifter-illusionist out there, we know that already. So, what if Peter meets Candace and picks up her ability? Then Hiro stops Peter from exploding and taking New York with him. Or, wait, what if Claire is the one who stops Peter? She regenerates, she's already stopped an exploding man once, she knows what to do. There's your "save the cheerleader, save the world". Anyway, Peter doesn't blow up New York, there's no rounding up of Heroes, and he's available to look like Hiro, borrow the sword and take Sylar out. I don't think Hiro could withstand Sylar anyway, come to that, but Peter and Sylar are fairly well matched. I see them as the two sides of the coin, light and dark, all that kind of mythic stuff. There has to be a showdown between Peter and Sylar, sooner or later. So that's my scenario, for whatever it's worth. Anne, and please be kind to my mistakes P.S. A thought about Future!Niki-Jessica - I think she was there as a parallel to Future!Hiro - they both lost the people or person they cared about most, but they reacted oppositely. Both were mourning their loss, neither had been able to move on. Hiro was obsessed with fixing things, while Niki ran away to Los Vegas and hid.
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Post by Rachael on May 1, 2007 9:44:53 GMT -5
Hrm. I was unimpressed with this episode - it felt throwaway, to me. Yeah, it's cool to have an ep where you can kill everyone if you feel like it and then you get to push "reset" next week, but, still. ETA: In fact, that's largely WHY I didn't like it. None of it counts. It could happen, but most of it won't, because they've already shown it to us. I like AU only when the world doesn't get reset to "normal" at the end. The one thing I loved was Neo!Peter. I begin to see what it was Rory saw in him, finally.
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Post by Karen on May 1, 2007 12:03:43 GMT -5
Hrm. I was unimpressed with this episode - it felt throwaway, to me. Yeah, it's cool to have an ep where you can kill everyone if you feel like it and then you get to push "reset" next week, but, still. ETA: In fact, that's largely WHY I didn't like it. None of it counts. It could happen, but most of it won't, because they've already shown it to us. I like AU only when the world doesn't get reset to "normal" at the end. The one thing I loved was Neo!Peter. I begin to see what it was Rory saw in him, finally. I know what you mean - but I loved The Wish, and that ep was very similar. The only part of it that counts is the Hiro/Ando part - and that's a big part because now they have the clue that Isaac left them on how to kill Sylar. ETA: LOVED Neo!Peter. I'm still trying to figure out what's up with his scar and how he got it.
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Post by Michelle on May 1, 2007 12:22:48 GMT -5
Hrm. I was unimpressed with this episode - it felt throwaway, to me. Yeah, it's cool to have an ep where you can kill everyone if you feel like it and then you get to push "reset" next week, but, still. ETA: In fact, that's largely WHY I didn't like it. None of it counts. It could happen, but most of it won't, because they've already shown it to us. I like AU only when the world doesn't get reset to "normal" at the end. The one thing I loved was Neo!Peter. I begin to see what it was Rory saw in him, finally. I thought Lola made a good comment--in seeing what they could become, we can better observe what they are now and how their lives might follow that path. Or something like that. So, I don't necessarily see it as a big reset so much as, this is one path to the future, but there are other paths as well. That's why I liked BTVS's "Something Blue" so much. It was a lot of fun to watch, first of all, but also it played up certain aspects of each character. Giles really was blind on occasion, Xander was a demon magnet, and Spike & Buffy did have an attraction to one another. At the end of the episode, reality was reset to "normal" again, but it didn't change the truths that we as viewers observed. But back to this episode of Heroes, I was excited that Grunberg finally had something exciting to do! And what is more fun for an actor than to be a morally gray character? And Milo playing badass Peter was the best. It's funny though--Jessica looked five years younger than her present self, whereas Peter looked about ten years older. Hmmmmm. I'm with Pixi, in that I'm not a huge fan of Jessica. But Micah is dead? That is no good! I'd like to see some scenes with Hiro and Micah--I bet they would be fun together. Good episode. I hope they keep the action going for the rest of the season.
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Post by Karen on May 1, 2007 14:02:43 GMT -5
Hrm. I was unimpressed with this episode - it felt throwaway, to me. Yeah, it's cool to have an ep where you can kill everyone if you feel like it and then you get to push "reset" next week, but, still. ETA: In fact, that's largely WHY I didn't like it. None of it counts. It could happen, but most of it won't, because they've already shown it to us. I like AU only when the world doesn't get reset to "normal" at the end. The one thing I loved was Neo!Peter. I begin to see what it was Rory saw in him, finally. I thought Lola made a good comment--in seeing what they could become, we can better observe what they are now and how their lives might follow that path. Or something like that. So, I don't necessarily see it as a big reset so much as, this is one path to the future, but there are other paths as well. That's why I liked BTVS's "Something Blue" so much. It was a lot of fun to watch, first of all, but also it played up certain aspects of each character. Giles really was blind on occasion, Xander was a demon magnet, and Spike & Buffy did have an attraction to one another. At the end of the episode, reality was reset to "normal" again, but it didn't change the truths that we as viewers observed. But back to this episode of Heroes, I was excited that Grunberg finally had something exciting to do! And what is more fun for an actor than to be a morally gray character? And Milo playing badass Peter was the best. It's funny though--Jessica looked five years younger than her present self, whereas Peter looked about ten years older. Hmmmmm. I'm with Pixi, in that I'm not a huge fan of Jessica. But Micah is dead? That is no good! I'd like to see some scenes with Hiro and Micah--I bet they would be fun together. Good episode. I hope they keep the action going for the rest of the season. Grunberg was great as the morally ambiguous Matt. Interesting that initially he was marked and told that he was flawed, as was the nuclear guy. I really would love to know what they use as criteria for judging them. Micah obviously didn't save the world as Linderman told him he would - unless he did succeed in doing just that - saving the world in Linderman's warped way. Jessica - is actually Nikki play-acting as Jessica, right? That means that Jessica was somehow destroyed, too. We need our own timeline thingy.
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Post by Lola m on May 1, 2007 16:38:00 GMT -5
That... was intense. Well, I was right about Future!Hiro. It was Ando's death that made him the man he is. Was. Will be. Whenever. Clever you! And it really fit, didn't it? So so horrible! To think of all the things he's been doing while President. **shivers** I thought that was a very intriguing question they raised. Who is deciding what is "too" dangerous to live? Who will be picking and choosing. Heee! He's neo-Neo. I saved it on the DVR especially to rewatch. Because I think there's all sort of important thing in here that I need to spot. And that requires a re-watch, because I was breathless when seeing it all for the first time. Oh, no, not just for Ando. I mean, he clearly means it when he says "if you had the chance to save millions of lives, wouldn't you?". But saving Ando was the personal connection. Because saving Ando also means saving that happy, earlier self.
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Post by Lola m on May 1, 2007 16:38:53 GMT -5
I seriously was hyperventilating a bit. I think my brain is still dribbling out my ears. And thankfully not in a Sylar slicing and dicing way. Sing it sister! And, eeeeeep! ;D
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