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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 22, 2007 7:22:51 GMT -5
Hmmm. Random thoughts: 6. I am extremely upset at the thought of Sylar coming back next year. Me, too. I loved everything up till that moment. And now I feel cheated. He's supposed to be dead. Hiro was supposed to take him out. Keeping him around because you want to use him for more stories is kind of cowardly from a writing perspective, IMO. WHEN will they learn to cut his frickin' head off?! Drama. Redemption. Non-plotty reasons. Incidentally, the fact that Sylar yet lives is strong evidence, to me, that Peter does, too. They're mirrors of one another, and I don't think they'd kill the "good" one and leave the "bad" one alive. Peter was frightened, and Peter was violent (and he isn't a violent man, he's a nurturer). When he lost control and started pounding Sylar, he lost control of everything, got scared, and it turned into a death spiral. You're right, if Sylar survives, Peter should too, mythically speaking. What really worries me is Molly's "somebody worse".
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Post by Pixi on May 22, 2007 8:01:17 GMT -5
My thoughts before reading the thread:
I think I expect too much from show's finales. And with such a high bar to reach, it's inevitable that there is a slight sense of disappointment. But I've always been one who enjoys the buildup and the anticipation. So, in one sense, I have to say I was a little disappointed in the Heroes finale. I expected, I don't know - an apocalyptic battle and dead heroes everywhere. Maybe that's why we didn't see it. The producers like surprising the audience. Granted Nathan's sacrifice was heartwarming and well done and I'm a bad viewer who needs to be whapped for wanting more I guess.
Things I like:
They named Mr. Bennett Noah? Okay, processing, processing. He doesn't remind me of a Noah but okay (what's up with all the biblical names anyway. Micah, Noah, Peter, Matthew - isn't Sylar's real name Gabriel?, Isaac. Lots of Biblical names). So is there any significance to it?
Claire jumping out the window and then nonchalantly regenerating was cool.
Jessica whapping Sylar over the head with a parking meter was cool.
Nathan choosing good over evil and flying in was cool.
Sylar nonchalantly stopping the bullets and sending them back at Matt.
The mention of the Bogeyman. That scene was scary.
Hiro and Ando. Awwww. They are just too cute together. Loved their scene.
All of Isaac's paintings came true. Lovely bit of continuty tie up. Lovely.
Things I didn't like as much:
Why didn't Candace morph into a Jabba the Hutt girl (which they implied) when she was unconscious?
The lack of a big battle with bodies flying and Peter and Sylar throwing their powers at each other, and Peter using the invisibility talent.
Things I don't know the answer to and am confused about:
Is Sylar still alive? That blood trail into the sewer seemed to imply that.
Is Peter alive? Well, first exploding but did he regenerate? Or is he gone for good? (Go ahead and tell me this one if you know because I don't mind knowing characters for next season. But nothing else.)
Why did Sylar let Hiro just stab him like that? I guess he was just overconfident and didn't take Hiro seriously.
Love is the key? Oh please. Can we just stop with the sappy? I mean I'm all for love but Peter is the key because he can love? ARGH! I am confused about that scene - though points for cool - with dead man walking on the rooftop. And I could have done without seeing Simone again.
And Niki is back? No, dear God no. Keep badass Jessica. I hate whiney, emo Niki.
I feel like they felt the need to TIE UP EVERY STORY and it just didn't work. There was too much cutting back and forth and the pacing felt a little off and I just wanted to focus on the battle.
And I think I would never have revealed the face of Linderman as he was a better Big Bad when we didn't know who he was. Now Mama Petrelli - she rocks as a baddie. I like her in that role.
As far as the ending - well I still adore Hiro and I thought that was interesting. Not wild or shocking or overwhelmingly intriguing but interesting. I'll certainly be back and it's a good direction to go in.
In the end though, as much as I nitpick, I get that each of these Heroes had to go on a journey. Each hero had a destiny. And, if I was one of those analytical types, I imagine you can go back through the season and see each Heroes step along the way into their destiny. Hiro, Nathan, Peter, Claire, Niki, Isaac, Matt, Sylar - well-defined destiny's and the dreams pointing the way.
But this season had two standout shows: Company Man and Five Years Gone that were pretty much up there with the best television ever. The finale didn't quite get there but it was still good. Kudos Heroes on a great freshman season.
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Post by Sara on May 22, 2007 8:15:23 GMT -5
Hmmm. Random thoughts: 6. I am extremely upset at the thought of Sylar coming back next year. Me, too. I loved everything up till that moment. And now I feel cheated. He's supposed to be dead. Hiro was supposed to take him out. Keeping him around because you want to use him for more stories is kind of cowardly from a writing perspective, IMO. WHEN will they learn to cut his frickin' head off?! Drama. Redemption. Non-plotty reasons. Incidentally, the fact that Sylar yet lives is strong evidence, to me, that Peter does, too. They're mirrors of one another, and I don't think they'd kill the "good" one and leave the "bad" one alive. Actually, Sue had it the first time: as I understand it, he can only use one power at a time. Which is something I'm almost sure they established quite a few episodes back, but obviously not very successfully—even Greg didn't realize it, and he almost always gets that sort of thing before I do. I'll have to see if I can figure out in which episode it was established... Oh, and I personally have no doubt Peter lived; in "Five Years Gone" he admitted to Jessica that he'd been the one who exploded in that timeline, and yet there he was talking with her. So clearly whatever happens when he explodes isn't permanently fatal to him. In fact, we don't actually know what will happen to him physically; I just think we all hear "explode" and visualize a CSI team collecting body parts with a squeegee. But we also saw Ted discharge energy without any harm to his body whatsoever, which to me makes it very possible Peter wasn't harmed at all.
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Post by Pixi on May 22, 2007 8:18:52 GMT -5
Me, too. I loved everything up till that moment. And now I feel cheated. He's supposed to be dead. Hiro was supposed to take him out. Keeping him around because you want to use him for more stories is kind of cowardly from a writing perspective, IMO. WHEN will they learn to cut his frickin' head off?! Drama. Redemption. Non-plotty reasons. Incidentally, the fact that Sylar yet lives is strong evidence, to me, that Peter does, too. They're mirrors of one another, and I don't think they'd kill the "good" one and leave the "bad" one alive. Actually, Sue had it the first time: he can only use one power at a time. Which is something I'm almost sure they established quite a few episodes back, but obviously not very successfully—even Greg didn't realize it, and he almost always gets that sort of thing before I do. I'll have to see if I can figure out in which episode it was established... Oh, and I personally have no doubt Peter lived; in "Five Years Gone" he admitted to Jessica that he'd been the one who exploded in that timeline, and yet there he was talking with her. So clearly whatever happens when he explodes isn't permanently fatal to him. In fact, we don't actually know what will happen to him physically; I just think we all hear "explode" and visualize a CSI team collecting body parts with a squeegee. But we also saw Ted discharge energy without any harm to his body whatsoever, which to me makes it very possible Peter wasn't harmed at all. I agree. I think after thinking more about it, he has to be alive. Do you think that Sylar used that cockroach he was so fixated on when he was held hostage in the paper factory to survive? That he somehow gained the cockroaches power? They had to have focused on that cockroach over and over again for some reason.
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Post by Sue on May 22, 2007 8:32:59 GMT -5
Eetahing Jeff and Sue's feeling that it wasn't quite as . . . kick-ass at the end as I was expecting. A good ep, yes, but . . . not quite as OMG as it maybe could have been. Then again, with an ending built on the "power of love", perhaps completely kick-ass wouldn't have worked. Hmmmmm. A good season ender, but not the best. Still, very good season over all. And a very nice opener on next season! Which is perhaps the intended "kick-ass" moment anyway. And you weren't the only one yelling: "CUT OFF HIS HEAD! NOW!" (Also, I don't care how invulnerable you are how can you possibly "regenerate" (they used the term) from becoming nuclear dust? I mean, a bullet, piece of wood, or sliver of glass in just the right spot in the brain stops the regeneration process wouldn't blasting the brain to smithereens do it? ..... Also---which piece of dust regenerates? Or could we get millions of Peters regenerated from all the Peter-pieces? Not that I really think that and please forgive the nit-pickiness----I'm not really letting it dim my enjoyment of the show----just filing it under general: "comic book nature of super-heroes".)
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Post by Sara on May 22, 2007 8:45:40 GMT -5
Actually, Sue had it the first time: he can only use one power at a time. Which is something I'm almost sure they established quite a few episodes back, but obviously not very successfully—even Greg didn't realize it, and he almost always gets that sort of thing before I do. I'll have to see if I can figure out in which episode it was established... Oh, and I personally have no doubt Peter lived; in "Five Years Gone" he admitted to Jessica that he'd been the one who exploded in that timeline, and yet there he was talking with her. So clearly whatever happens when he explodes isn't permanently fatal to him. In fact, we don't actually know what will happen to him physically; I just think we all hear "explode" and visualize a CSI team collecting body parts with a squeegee. But we also saw Ted discharge energy without any harm to his body whatsoever, which to me makes it very possible Peter wasn't harmed at all. I agree. I think after thinking more about it, he has to be alive. Do you think that Sylar used that cockroach he was so fixated on when he was held hostage in the paper factory to survive? That he somehow gained the cockroaches power? They had to have focused on that cockroach over and over again for some reason. I've wondered that myself. If so, then he probably would have survived even if they had cut off his head. Personally, I didn't have a problem with Sylar surviving. It's a classic comic book thing to do, and it points to the mistake folks who've seen part of the future tend to make: interpretation. In the comic we see Hiro stab Sylar and think "that's it, the guy's dead," just as we saw a painting of Hiro facing off with a dinosaur and immediately figured he somehow got transported to the past. But in truth, all the comic illustration told us was that Hiro was going to stab Sylar; that Sylar subsequently died of the wound was an assumption on our part (and Isaac's and Hiro's parts, for that matter), just like when we thought time travel was the only way Hiro could run into a dinosaur. Besides, don't forget the comic book also showed us a very dead Ando—and obviously that part didn't come true; myself, I'm not sure it'd be fair of me to be pissed about one part of the comic not coming true when I'm elated another was also proved erroneous. Hell, maybe that's the reason Sylar didn't die; because he wasn't full of the rage that would have come if his friend had been murdered, Hiro didn't use as much force and violence in delivering that blow as his other self likely would have—resulting in Sylar being mostly dead instead of look-through-his-pockets-for-loose-change dead.
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Post by Sue on May 22, 2007 8:55:29 GMT -5
I agree. I think after thinking more about it, he has to be alive. Do you think that Sylar used that cockroach he was so fixated on when he was held hostage in the paper factory to survive? That he somehow gained the cockroaches power? They had to have focused on that cockroach over and over again for some reason. I've wondered that myself. If so, then he probably would have survived even if they had cut off his head. Personally, I didn't have a problem with Sylar surviving. It's a classic comic book thing to do, and it points to the mistake folks who've seen part of the future tend to make: interpretation. In the comic we see Hiro stab Sylar and think "that's it, the guy's dead," just as we saw a painting of Hiro facing off with a dinosaur and immediately figured he somehow got transported to the past. But in truth, all the comic illustration told us was that Hiro was going to stab Sylar; that Sylar subsequently died of the wound was an assumption on our part (and Isaac's and Hiro's parts, for that matter), just like when we thought time travel was the only way Hiro could run into a dinosaur. Besides, don't forget the comic book also showed us a very dead Ando—and obviously that part didn't come true; myself, I'm not sure it'd be fair of me to be pissed about one part of the comic not coming true when I'm elated another was also proved erroneous. Hell, maybe that's the reason Sylar didn't die; because he wasn't full of the rage that would have come if his friend had been murdered, Hiro didn't use as much force and violence in delivering that blow as his other self likely would have—resulting in Sylar being mostly dead instead of look-through-his-pockets-for-loose-change dead. Most excellent observations about assuming facts not totally in evidence. Or extrapolating situations from minimal facts leading to erroneous conclusions. Also, thanks for the comments reminding us that Ted could harm those around him without blowing himself up. I do have another question about Peter, though. How many other powers has he absorbed that we don't know about? Does the other person have to be "exhibiting" for him to absorb. He's been near his mom (what is her power?) and Simone's father and who knows how many random "freaks" in crowds.
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Post by Sue on May 22, 2007 8:57:47 GMT -5
*Makes incoherent happy babbly squeeing noises* I did not see any of that coming. I was never so glad to be unspoiled in my life. So, how do you stop an exploding man? You can't. But you can make the right choices when it happens. Future!Hiro, I'm guessing, went directly after Sylar, Ando died, and F!H wasn't in the right place at the right time. Our Hiro followed his heart instead of his head, saved Ando (squeee! He's learning to think on his feet!) and was in the right place at the right time to skewer Sylar. Also, I think Mr Nakamura knew Hiro was doing the right thing. He honored Hiro's choice of action, and he looked very proud of his son. So because Hiro chose the way he did, all of the pieces came together and everyone was where they were meant to be, at the right time. The visions were right, but the interpretation was questionable. Niki/Jessica chose love over greed. She saved her son, and most likely DL ( that DL's okay because she's earned the right to be happy), and was in the right place, right time, to help Mr Bennett and Parkman. Even more interesting is that Jessica shared control with Niki because she knows how strong love really is. Again, the right choice put her in the right place. Claire followed her heart right out a window ("I already have a family") to save Peter. Matt followed his heart, chose to be a hero, and would not let Molly die. I hope he doesn't pay the ultimate price, but if he does, at least he knows he made the right choice. And in the end, Nathan chose love over power, sacrificed himself and saved the day. I really, really, really did not see that one coming. That was a Buffy-off-the-tower moment. I'm not awake yet, really, so I hope this makes sense. It's all about love and family, which is actually also the basis of Crossing Jordan, when you get right down to it. Tim Kring is a sappy sentimental fool. So am I, and after this, I'd follow him to the ends of the earth to read his work. This is the one show I'm looking forward to for next season. Anne, and the fallout over the disappearance of Senator Petrelli should be really interesting as well Anne-- Great comments; plus the stuff about fathers. (He certainly has a different perspective than Joss.) Fascinating that you can see thematic crossover between a hard-boiled crime procedural and a totally sci-fi show.
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Post by Sara on May 22, 2007 9:12:17 GMT -5
I've wondered that myself. If so, then he probably would have survived even if they had cut off his head. Personally, I didn't have a problem with Sylar surviving. It's a classic comic book thing to do, and it points to the mistake folks who've seen part of the future tend to make: interpretation. In the comic we see Hiro stab Sylar and think "that's it, the guy's dead," just as we saw a painting of Hiro facing off with a dinosaur and immediately figured he somehow got transported to the past. But in truth, all the comic illustration told us was that Hiro was going to stab Sylar; that Sylar subsequently died of the wound was an assumption on our part (and Isaac's and Hiro's parts, for that matter), just like when we thought time travel was the only way Hiro could run into a dinosaur. Besides, don't forget the comic book also showed us a very dead Ando—and obviously that part didn't come true; myself, I'm not sure it'd be fair of me to be pissed about one part of the comic not coming true when I'm elated another was also proved erroneous. Hell, maybe that's the reason Sylar didn't die; because he wasn't full of the rage that would have come if his friend had been murdered, Hiro didn't use as much force and violence in delivering that blow as his other self likely would have—resulting in Sylar being mostly dead instead of look-through-his-pockets-for-loose-change dead. Most excellent observations about assuming facts not totally in evidence. Or extrapolating situations from minimal facts leading to erroneous conclusions. Also, thanks for the comments reminding us that Ted could harm those around him without blowing himself up. I do have another question about Peter, though. How many other powers has he absorbed that we don't know about? Does the other person have to be "exhibiting" for him to absorb. He's been near his mom (what is her power?) and Simone's father and who knows how many random "freaks" in crowds. I've been wondering about some of that myself. As to whether he can absorb someone's power when they're not using it, I'd say we saw the answer the other day: moments after being in Ted's presence in "The Hard Part" he was manifesting Ted's power even though Ted wasn't himself all glowy at the time. And he used Claire's ability to regenerate after his first battle with Sylar, even though he himself didn't see her regenerate in the locker room. So I think we can safely figure he has Eden's voice of persuasion as well, for one, as well as whatever ability his mother has. But I'm thinking that unless he sees someone use it or it's a power, like Ted's, that requires the person to exert conscious control to keep it in check Peter's not necessarily going to realize when he's absorbed an ability. And if it's an autonomic power like Claire's that kicks in when its needed, I figure he's only going to know about it if/when he also needs it.
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Post by RAKSHA on May 22, 2007 9:34:01 GMT -5
My thoughts before reading the thread: I think I expect too much from show's finales. And with such a high bar to reach, it's inevitable that there is a slight sense of disappointment. But I've always been one who enjoys the buildup and the anticipation. So, in one sense, I have to say I was a little disappointed in the Heroes finale. I expected, I don't know - an apocalyptic battle and dead heroes everywhere. Maybe that's why we didn't see it. The producers like surprising the audience. Granted Nathan's sacrifice was heartwarming and well done and I'm a bad viewer who needs to be whapped for wanting more I guess. Things I like: They named Mr. Bennett Noah? Okay, processing, processing. He doesn't remind me of a Noah but okay (what's up with all the biblical names anyway. Micah, Noah, Peter, Matthew - isn't Sylar's real name Gabriel?, Isaac. Lots of Biblical names). So is there any significance to it? Claire jumping out the window and then nonchalantly regenerating was cool. Jessica whapping Sylar over the head with a parking meter was cool. Nathan choosing good over evil and flying in was cool. Sylar nonchalantly stopping the bullets and sending them back at Matt. The mention of the Bogeyman. That scene was scary. Hiro and Ando. Awwww. They are just too cute together. Loved their scene. All of Isaac's paintings came true. Lovely bit of continuty tie up. Lovely. Things I didn't like as much: Why didn't Candace morph into a Jabba the Hutt girl (which they implied) when she was unconscious? The lack of a big battle with bodies flying and Peter and Sylar throwing their powers at each other, and Peter using the invisibility talent. Things I don't know the answer to and am confused about: Is Sylar still alive? That blood trail into the sewer seemed to imply that. Is Peter alive? Well, first exploding but did he regenerate? Or is he gone for good? (Go ahead and tell me this one if you know because I don't mind knowing characters for next season. But nothing else.) Why did Sylar let Hiro just stab him like that? I guess he was just overconfident and didn't take Hiro seriously. Love is the key? Oh please. Can we just stop with the sappy? I mean I'm all for love but Peter is the key because he can love? ARGH! I am confused about that scene - though points for cool - with dead man walking on the rooftop. And I could have done without seeing Simone again. And Niki is back? No, dear God no. Keep badass Jessica. I hate whiney, emo Niki. I feel like they felt the need to TIE UP EVERY STORY and it just didn't work. There was too much cutting back and forth and the pacing felt a little off and I just wanted to focus on the battle. And I think I would never have revealed the face of Linderman as he was a better Big Bad when we didn't know who he was. Now Mama Petrelli - she rocks as a baddie. I like her in that role. As far as the ending - well I still adore Hiro and I thought that was interesting. Not wild or shocking or overwhelmingly intriguing but interesting. I'll certainly be back and it's a good direction to go in. In the end though, as much as I nitpick, I get that each of these Heroes had to go on a journey. Each hero had a destiny. And, if I was one of those analytical types, I imagine you can go back through the season and see each Heroes step along the way into their destiny. Hiro, Nathan, Peter, Claire, Niki, Isaac, Matt, Sylar - well-defined destiny's and the dreams pointing the way. But this season had two standout shows: Company Man and Five Years Gone that were pretty much up there with the best television ever. The finale didn't quite get there but it was still good. Kudos Heroes on a great freshman season. As a freshman season, it's been outstanding - better than Buffy Season One. I'm hoping Heroes Season 2 can keep up the magic; it will be harder now that the world has been saved. I'm not as sure I, or the rest of the viewers who have responded so strongly to the mantra of Save The Cheerleader, Save the World, will be as enthralled by tales of the heroes' ancestors or whatnot. But you can bet I'll be along for the ride!
I think the problem with the finale is that they tried to cram too many things into it, too many tie-ups of too many individuals' plotlines, for a one-hour show. The show needed to be two hours, or ninety minutes, and it wasn't. As a result, we were slightly short-changed:
1. I was gobsmacked by Nathan's coming in to save the day (and Peter); since I had seen no evidence of his having a change of heart.
2. How did the Save The Cheerleader, Save The World mantra work out anyway? If they were implying that Claire's survival enabled her to serve as Nathan's conscience (and give the man a much-needed spine), they could have made that connection a bit clearer without overdoing it.
3. There definitely needed to be more of a duel between Peter and Sylar - the entire season had been building to it, they are equal and opposite forces, and we had two whole seconds of mano-a-mano combat because every other hero/hiro had to play a part in the climax. (too bad DL was wounded, I'd have liked seeing him stick his hand inside Syler's cranium)
4. The implication that Sylar lived. Now we'll have to go through all this again? I can only hope he's lost all his powers, and possibly alters his plans, so we won't have a repeat of Sylar running around busily brain-sucking innocent people in a future season. Especially since if he steals Candace's power, then no one is safe and I hate chameleon plotlines.
5. I'd been hoping for a visit by the Invisible Man, preferably coming to save Peter by attacking Sylar and killing him, before Peter could go critical-mass...
What I really loved about the finale -
1. Matt remembered who he was (yes, the hero's journey, in his case led him from being a thief and a renegade back to his roots) - he protects the innocent, he didn't kill Molly, he saved her.
2. Nathan grew a spine!!!
3. The completion of one arc of family love - in Claire's case, it wasn't just love, it was a very powerful example. Both her fathers wanted to protect her by sending her out of harm's way - but it was Peter's shining example of saving an unknown girl for the greater good that inspired Claire to stand her ground and help others instead of fleeing from danger. Peter was Claire's hero before either of them knew she was his niece; and that made a huge difference.
4. Hiro realizing that the Sword Alone Doesn't Make The Man - or the Hero/Hiro.
Of course, there are some problems for future seasons - wouldn't some surveillance devices have recorded DL killing Lindermann; in which case DL & family will be hunted down...And if Eric Roberts is replaced by somebody worse as head of the Hero-grabbing organisation (I'm thinking Mama Petrelli), then mutants are in trouble...And ick, Syler survived. He'll probably join forces with the Boogeyman.
At least they didn't kill off Mohinder, and Mohinder also saved Molly; who seems to be his karmic sister-daughter (he shared his antibodies with her, and saving her life makes him responsible for her), which is a good thing.
Of course, if they wait too long next year to return to our current heroes' lives, then little Micah will have grown by a foot and have to be kidnapped and then sent away from the Island with D.L.
All in all, I'd give the finale an 8 out of 10 - very watchable, but it could have been more powerful. (great teaser for next year, though the show's ratings will go down if they stay mired in the past or future and neglect the current characters that the audience has come to love)
GAIL
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Post by Rachael on May 22, 2007 10:29:50 GMT -5
My thoughts before reading the thread: I think I expect too much from show's finales. And with such a high bar to reach, it's inevitable that there is a slight sense of disappointment. But I've always been one who enjoys the buildup and the anticipation. So, in one sense, I have to say I was a little disappointed in the Heroes finale. I expected, I don't know - an apocalyptic battle and dead heroes everywhere. Maybe that's why we didn't see it. The producers like surprising the audience. Granted Nathan's sacrifice was heartwarming and well done and I'm a bad viewer who needs to be whapped for wanting more I guess. Things I like: They named Mr. Bennett Noah? Okay, processing, processing. He doesn't remind me of a Noah but okay (what's up with all the biblical names anyway. Micah, Noah, Peter, Matthew - isn't Sylar's real name Gabriel?, Isaac. Lots of Biblical names). So is there any significance to it? Claire jumping out the window and then nonchalantly regenerating was cool. Jessica whapping Sylar over the head with a parking meter was cool. Nathan choosing good over evil and flying in was cool. Sylar nonchalantly stopping the bullets and sending them back at Matt. The mention of the Bogeyman. That scene was scary. Hiro and Ando. Awwww. They are just too cute together. Loved their scene. All of Isaac's paintings came true. Lovely bit of continuty tie up. Lovely. Things I didn't like as much: Why didn't Candace morph into a Jabba the Hutt girl (which they implied) when she was unconscious? The lack of a big battle with bodies flying and Peter and Sylar throwing their powers at each other, and Peter using the invisibility talent. Things I don't know the answer to and am confused about: Is Sylar still alive? That blood trail into the sewer seemed to imply that. Is Peter alive? Well, first exploding but did he regenerate? Or is he gone for good? (Go ahead and tell me this one if you know because I don't mind knowing characters for next season. But nothing else.) Why did Sylar let Hiro just stab him like that? I guess he was just overconfident and didn't take Hiro seriously. Love is the key? Oh please. Can we just stop with the sappy? I mean I'm all for love but Peter is the key because he can love? ARGH! I am confused about that scene - though points for cool - with dead man walking on the rooftop. And I could have done without seeing Simone again. And Niki is back? No, dear God no. Keep badass Jessica. I hate whiney, emo Niki. I feel like they felt the need to TIE UP EVERY STORY and it just didn't work. There was too much cutting back and forth and the pacing felt a little off and I just wanted to focus on the battle. And I think I would never have revealed the face of Linderman as he was a better Big Bad when we didn't know who he was. Now Mama Petrelli - she rocks as a baddie. I like her in that role. As far as the ending - well I still adore Hiro and I thought that was interesting. Not wild or shocking or overwhelmingly intriguing but interesting. I'll certainly be back and it's a good direction to go in. In the end though, as much as I nitpick, I get that each of these Heroes had to go on a journey. Each hero had a destiny. And, if I was one of those analytical types, I imagine you can go back through the season and see each Heroes step along the way into their destiny. Hiro, Nathan, Peter, Claire, Niki, Isaac, Matt, Sylar - well-defined destiny's and the dreams pointing the way. But this season had two standout shows: Company Man and Five Years Gone that were pretty much up there with the best television ever. The finale didn't quite get there but it was still good. Kudos Heroes on a great freshman season. As a freshman season, it's been outstanding - better than Buffy Season One. I'm hoping Heroes Season 2 can keep up the magic; it will be harder now that the world has been saved. I'm not as sure I, or the rest of the viewers who have responded so strongly to the mantra of Save The Cheerleader, Save the World, will be as enthralled by tales of the heroes' ancestors or whatnot. But you can bet I'll be along for the ride!
I think the problem with the finale is that they tried to cram too many things into it, too many tie-ups of too many individuals' plotlines, for a one-hour show. The show needed to be two hours, or ninety minutes, and it wasn't. As a result, we were slightly short-changed:
1. I was gobsmacked by Nathan's coming in to save the day (and Peter); since I had seen no evidence of his having a change of heart.
2. How did the Save The Cheerleader, Save The World mantra work out anyway? If they were implying that Claire's survival enabled her to serve as Nathan's conscience (and give the man a much-needed spine), they could have made that connection a bit clearer without overdoing it.Actually, I think there are two other areas where Claire being saved was key: first, she served as a rallying point for more than one person, and they needed everyone in the end, to save the world. Noah, for example, would never have come over to "our" side had it not been for his love for his daughter, and she had to survive long enough for him to realize his company was a danger to her. Peter also used Claire as a center, a set point to focus his desire to help the world. And more concrete was the fact that Peter would likely now be dead had he not managed to save Claire. If Peter hadn't been sent to save Claire by Hiro, then he wouldn't have absorbed her power. And odds are high, then, that Sylar would have killed him long ago. Or someone else would have. Saving Claire led directly to Peter having the power to stop Sylar.
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Post by Rachael on May 22, 2007 10:30:52 GMT -5
And guys? Cockroaches have no power. They're really, REALLY easy to kill. (Yes, you can hear the whimsy in my voice if you listen really hard.)
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Post by Shan on May 22, 2007 10:49:24 GMT -5
And guys? Cockroaches have no power. They're really, REALLY easy to kill. (Yes, you can hear the whimsy in my voice if you listen really hard.) I think the cockroach is the new boogeyman and that it wasn't Sylar examining the cockroach when he was in the holding tank at Primatech, it was actually the cockroach examining Sylar. I'm guessing Sylar actually IS dead and the cockroach-boogeyman is doing something with Sylar's blood. I mean, we haven't had a TRUE shape-shifter yet, have we?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 22, 2007 10:51:20 GMT -5
And guys? Cockroaches have no power. They're really, REALLY easy to kill. (Yes, you can hear the whimsy in my voice if you listen really hard.) I think the cockroach is the new boogeyman and that it wasn't Sylar examining the cockroach when he was in the holding tank at Primatech, it was actually the cockroach examining Sylar. I'm guessing Sylar actually IS dead and the cockroach-boogeyman is doing something with Sylar's blood. I mean, we haven't had a TRUE shape-shifter yet, have we? That is a really scary thought. Nice one.
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Post by Rachael on May 22, 2007 10:57:21 GMT -5
And guys? Cockroaches have no power. They're really, REALLY easy to kill. (Yes, you can hear the whimsy in my voice if you listen really hard.) I think the cockroach is the new boogeyman and that it wasn't Sylar examining the cockroach when he was in the holding tank at Primatech, it was actually the cockroach examining Sylar. I'm guessing Sylar actually IS dead and the cockroach-boogeyman is doing something with Sylar's blood. I mean, we haven't had a TRUE shape-shifter yet, have we? Silly Shan. I think. It's hard to tell. Your sarcastic voice sounds so much like your ordinary voice.
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