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Post by artemis on Nov 13, 2007 6:42:35 GMT -5
I think she's playing it the way she's supposed to. Kind of stunted, as they've had her locked up her whole life because of her ability. **nods** And now having seen that moment of gosh-wow when Peter kissed her, I'm even more thinking you're right. there's something about her performance that's just "off" to me, even if they asked her to do it that way.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 13, 2007 8:30:27 GMT -5
So, Elle is Delilah to Peter's Samson; she cut his hair and took his power from him. Alright, alright, so Bob took Peter's powers, but still, you know what I mean. Besides, Elle was the one actually giving Peter the pills. Elle and her little visits to Peter in his cell reminds me of Drusilla playing with her "puppy". That girl is just not right in the head. She's an electric Drusilla. The twins are still annoying, especially Maya. I wonder if there's a village somewhere in Central America with a statue of the Virgin that weeps tears of blood? It's just that the image of Maya weeping black goo is so distinctive. Adam's a master manipulator (years of practice, no doubt) and I don't trust him an inch. P.S. And now, having encountered the Haitian, Peter can mindwipe. I wonder if we'll learn Mama Petrelli's power (which I think is mind-manipulation, very feminine and mommyish with the touching and the soft voice & ) when Peter uses it. Poor baby, you'd think his little head would explode...
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Post by Rachael on Nov 13, 2007 10:41:06 GMT -5
i know kristen bell can act. why isn't she doing it for this show? augh. Yeah, you know - I'm in the minority here in that I never liked VM (I gave it three shots over three years - two the first season and one the second), and never thought much of Kristen Bell...and so far her performance on this show is giving me nothing to latch on to. I agree that she's probably playing it as directed...but rather than get the creepy little girl sociopath vibe I feel like she intends, I'm just getting "spoiled brat".
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Post by Karen on Nov 14, 2007 10:27:27 GMT -5
**nods** And now having seen that moment of gosh-wow when Peter kissed her, I'm even more thinking you're right. there's something about her performance that's just "off" to me, even if they asked her to do it that way. I see the 'offness', too. I'm hoping that she's telegraphing it that way for an as yet to be seen reason. Could be she's been mindwiped a few times. She acts a little bit like Claire's mom to me.
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Post by Shan on Nov 14, 2007 13:04:51 GMT -5
So, Elle is Delilah to Peter's Samson; she cut his hair and took his power from him. Alright, alright, so Bob took Peter's powers, but still, you know what I mean. Besides, Elle was the one actually giving Peter the pills. Elle and her little visits to Peter in his cell reminds me of Drusilla playing with her "puppy". That girl is just not right in the head. She's an electric Drusilla. The twins are still annoying, especially Maya.I wonder if there's a village somewhere in Central America with a statue of the Virgin that weeps tears of blood? It's just that the image of Maya weeping black goo is so distinctive. Adam's a master manipulator (years of practice, no doubt) and I don't trust him an inch. P.S. And now, having encountered the Haitian, Peter can mindwipe. I wonder if we'll learn Mama Petrelli's power (which I think is mind-manipulation, very feminine and mommyish with the touching and the soft voice & ) when Peter uses it. Poor baby, you'd think his little head would explode... I think they can't really do anything with the character because in order for her to manifest her powers, she has to be threatened so all the writers can do every week is find some way to put her in danger again. So she's only been functioning as a peril-attracting perpetual victim which IS very annoying. We've all had enough of plot-device damsels in distress over the years.
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Post by fish1941 on Nov 14, 2007 13:58:23 GMT -5
poor d.l. D.L.'s death . . . how lame was that? First of all, how long does a person have to train to become a firefighter? And two, the entire method in which D.L.'s death was set up was just so badly handled. If Kring wanted D.L. off the show, couldn't he have killed the character at the end of Season 1?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 14, 2007 14:29:06 GMT -5
So, Elle is Delilah to Peter's Samson; she cut his hair and took his power from him. Alright, alright, so Bob took Peter's powers, but still, you know what I mean. Besides, Elle was the one actually giving Peter the pills. Elle and her little visits to Peter in his cell reminds me of Drusilla playing with her "puppy". That girl is just not right in the head. She's an electric Drusilla. The twins are still annoying, especially Maya.I wonder if there's a village somewhere in Central America with a statue of the Virgin that weeps tears of blood? It's just that the image of Maya weeping black goo is so distinctive. Adam's a master manipulator (years of practice, no doubt) and I don't trust him an inch. P.S. And now, having encountered the Haitian, Peter can mindwipe. I wonder if we'll learn Mama Petrelli's power (which I think is mind-manipulation, very feminine and mommyish with the touching and the soft voice & ) when Peter uses it. Poor baby, you'd think his little head would explode... I think they can't really do anything with the character because in order for her to manifest her powers, she has to be threatened so all the writers can do every week is find some way to put her in danger again. So she's only been functioning as a peril-attracting perpetual victim which IS very annoying. We've all had enough of plot-device damsels in distress over the years. I think you're absolutely right.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 14, 2007 17:23:14 GMT -5
So, Elle is Delilah to Peter's Samson; she cut his hair and took his power from him. ;D That. Is a very interesting comparison, actually. Because Dru was also someone sheltered from life before Angelus and Darla got their fangs on her. Oooh! I had that same image too!! Especially when Maya was in the church, all nunified and stuff. ;D Maybe the "only use one power at a time" thing is to make sure his head doesn't go boom.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 14, 2007 17:25:30 GMT -5
So, Elle is Delilah to Peter's Samson; she cut his hair and took his power from him. Alright, alright, so Bob took Peter's powers, but still, you know what I mean. Besides, Elle was the one actually giving Peter the pills. Elle and her little visits to Peter in his cell reminds me of Drusilla playing with her "puppy". That girl is just not right in the head. She's an electric Drusilla. The twins are still annoying, especially Maya.I wonder if there's a village somewhere in Central America with a statue of the Virgin that weeps tears of blood? It's just that the image of Maya weeping black goo is so distinctive. Adam's a master manipulator (years of practice, no doubt) and I don't trust him an inch. P.S. And now, having encountered the Haitian, Peter can mindwipe. I wonder if we'll learn Mama Petrelli's power (which I think is mind-manipulation, very feminine and mommyish with the touching and the soft voice & ) when Peter uses it. Poor baby, you'd think his little head would explode... I think they can't really do anything with the character because in order for her to manifest her powers, she has to be threatened so all the writers can do every week is find some way to put her in danger again. So she's only been functioning as a peril-attracting perpetual victim which IS very annoying. We've all had enough of plot-device damsels in distress over the years. You've put your finger on it. All they do with her is have bad things happen so the eye goo is triggered. I wonder if Sylar will try to teach her to kill people consciously, without a threat being there. Because then she's one hell of a weapon, considering how we've seen her take out everyone around her for quite a distance.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 14, 2007 17:34:11 GMT -5
poor d.l. D.L.'s death . . . how lame was that? First of all, how long does a person have to train to become a firefighter? And two, the entire method in which D.L.'s death was set up was just so badly handled. If Kring wanted D.L. off the show, couldn't he have killed the character at the end of Season 1? Yeah, the training time for a fire fighter probably didn't work. On the other hand, having him die as they did was a classic way to show how pointless and arbitrary death, and especially violent death, can be. Like Wash's death. (I know, painful for many to remember!) Or, to bring up some old TV show examples: Gary's death on 30 Something (the character of Nancy is dealing with cancer and in the ep where her second look surgery gives her the all clear, he dies in a car crash); Colonel Blake's death on M.A.S.H. (surviving many threats to his life while serving in the war, then losing his life when the helicopter taking him home crashes). I tend to like stories with angst and "cruel irony" and "demonstrate why violence is so often arbitrary and senseless and awful" stuff in them. So, why I don't "like" D.L.'s death, (never fun to see characters you like be killed off), I can enjoy the storytelling aspect of each of my examples. But I know that many do not share my tastes. **ducks from the "Joss killed Wash, that bastard" fans**
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Post by Shan on Nov 14, 2007 17:37:47 GMT -5
*sobs and throws things at Lola*
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 14, 2007 17:38:33 GMT -5
D.L.'s death . . . how lame was that? First of all, how long does a person have to train to become a firefighter? And two, the entire method in which D.L.'s death was set up was just so badly handled. If Kring wanted D.L. off the show, couldn't he have killed the character at the end of Season 1? Yeah, the training time for a fire fighter probably didn't work. On the other hand, having him die as they did was a classic way to show how pointless and arbitrary death, and especially violent death, can be. Like Wash's death. (I know, painful for many to remember!) Or, to bring up some old TV show examples: Gary's death on 30 Something (the character of Nancy is dealing with cancer and in the ep where her second look surgery gives her the all clear, he dies in a car crash); Colonel Blake's death on M.A.S.H. (surviving many threats to his life while serving in the war, then losing his life when the helicopter taking him home crashes). I tend to like stories with angst and "cruel irony" and "demonstrate why violence is so often arbitrary and senseless and awful" stuff in them. So, why I don't "like" D.L.'s death, (never fun to see characters you like be killed off), I can enjoy the storytelling aspect of each of my examples. But I know that many do not share my tastes. **ducks from the "Joss killed Wash, that bastard" fans** I've been thinking about this, and I think that D.L. had to die the way he did to force Jessica to take action - she wouldn't have gone back to The Company otherwise, and several other storylines depended upon her going back - Micah in NO and Monica, for example. Also, upon reflection, I kind of like Monica - she's reacting to her power the way Hiro did - Wow, cool, now I can do something good for people. And I still haven't forgiven Joss. I understand, from a dramatic standpoint, but I do not forgive. *Throws a pillow at Lola* *Thinks* *Throws another pillow, followed by a custard pie*
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Post by artemis on Nov 14, 2007 18:39:55 GMT -5
I think they can't really do anything with the character because in order for her to manifest her powers, she has to be threatened so all the writers can do every week is find some way to put her in danger again. So she's only been functioning as a peril-attracting perpetual victim which IS very annoying. We've all had enough of plot-device damsels in distress over the years. that's exactly it. it's exactly why the storyline bores me so much and the character annoys me. most especially, i am annoyed that she keeps needing her brother to rescue her; sometimes it seems like she is even intentionally setting up a scenario where he will swoop in and save her. i guess that's part of why the whole storyline has a creepy incestuous vibe to me.
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Post by artemis on Nov 14, 2007 18:44:11 GMT -5
poor d.l. D.L.'s death . . . how lame was that? First of all, how long does a person have to train to become a firefighter? And two, the entire method in which D.L.'s death was set up was just so badly handled. If Kring wanted D.L. off the show, couldn't he have killed the character at the end of Season 1? there's a rumor that's been floating around the internet (i believe that kristen of e! online was one of the perpetuators, and i know she's not exactly reliable) that there was strong tension between the actors playing a couple on the show and that kring or another higher-up decided to write one of them off, and people imply that this is the result. if it's true, i think the whole thing is sad.
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Post by artemis on Nov 14, 2007 18:57:26 GMT -5
in this episode, we found out that maya and alejandro are apparently from venezuela (or at least, they are there at the time of his wedding). out of curiosity i just looked up statues of mary weeping tears of blood in venezuela, and i got a bunch of hits on google. here is a link to photos of the one that seems to be the most well-known: www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping414.htmaccording to my brief skimming of a few sites, statues of mary will also weep other things. in particular, the weeping of oil seems similar to maya's appearance during her power. the same church as above had a different mary statue that they said weeped oil (apparently that is less exciting for people to photograph, as i've had trouble finding a decent photo of it).
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