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Post by Queen E on Nov 26, 2007 7:17:01 GMT -5
Post away!
(Sorry, I don't have any cool trivia like Sara has!)
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Post by Lola m on Nov 26, 2007 21:09:03 GMT -5
Hmmm. Both Kensei and HRG say that the company was making the virus? I'm thinking that's probably true. Yay to Mrs BB, standing up to the man and so on. Bob's little girl is soooo not happy with him. "I'm shot!" "No excuses." And then he has the gall to say she has to regain his trust? I'm thinking other way 'round buddy. Also, Peter seems to have a new power. Wonder who he got that one from. And nekkid under a blanket Noah? Not bad, not bad at all!
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Post by Karen on Nov 26, 2007 21:13:15 GMT -5
Ha!
That is Joanna Cassidy from Bladerunner playing the Pratt woman in the photo.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 26, 2007 21:25:16 GMT -5
Yay! Micah and Monica! Oooh, conversation about secret identities and why they might be needed. And Monica gets it. Mom tells him about virus and that Dr Suresh is working on it. Hmmm. Also that she can't give it to him or anyone else. But if it mutated, are they sure of that? Also, more talk about what is "normal". Like at the start of the ep, when Claire was all "my father is dead, there is no more normal". Contrasting the ones who want to be normal with the ones who are OK with having powers? Ick. Sylar being all loungey with Maya? Ewww! Run, Maya! Ah. He pushes her until she starts to use her killing power (clever jibes, about wanting the brother's wife dead and that he resents his life being disrupted). And it works, she can control it without her brother. Which means that Sylar will kill him and make Maya think he just left. Of course, it also makes me wonder what other aspects of power her brother has. Ah. Find a paper trail for Kensei! It is likely that in 400 years you'd be able to find signs of him. So, does Kensei need Peter for this part of his plan? Why is he partnered up with him?
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Post by artemis on Nov 26, 2007 21:25:53 GMT -5
too bad the hopes for mohinder's double plot weren't true. noah was right last episode - mohinder has gone native.
is it true that the virus really can't spread yet, or is it that the company is lying or doesn't know one way or the other and simply said one way?
and did i ever not miss the sylar/maya story. one of you kill the other one already!
ETA forgot to say that i also don't trust kensei as far as i could throw him, but then i'm guessing none of you do either.
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Post by Karen on Nov 26, 2007 21:42:33 GMT -5
Yay! Micah and Monica! Oooh, conversation about secret identities and why they might be needed. And Monica gets it. Mom tells him about virus and that Dr Suresh is working on it. Hmmm. Also that she can't give it to him or anyone else. But if it mutated, are they sure of that? Also, more talk about what is "normal". Like at the start of the ep, when Claire was all "my father is dead, there is no more normal". Contrasting the ones who want to be normal with the ones who are OK with having powers? Ick. Sylar being all loungey with Maya? Ewww! Run, Maya! Ah. He pushes her until she starts to use her killing power (clever jibes, about wanting the brother's wife dead and that he resents his life being disrupted). And it works, she can control it without her brother. Which means that Sylar will kill him and make Maya think he just left. Of course, it also makes me wonder what other aspects of power her brother has. Ah. Find a paper trail for Kensei! It is likely that in 400 years you'd be able to find signs of him. So, does Kensei need Peter for this part of his plan? Why is he partnered up with him? Seems like he needed Peter to gain Victoria's trust. He pulled a sly one on her and Peter. But why didn't Peter read Adam's mind. Does he trust him that much, or not want to know the truth because he wants to go get his girlfriend. Because if he destroys the virus, he'll change the future and she'll be stuck there, I guess. *brain explodes*
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Post by artemis on Nov 26, 2007 21:45:38 GMT -5
geez, so far (35 minutes in for me) this episode seems to be all about trusting someone you shouldn't.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 26, 2007 21:51:51 GMT -5
Heee! Ando is like a hamster making a nest. Cute hamster! Adorable Ando. And of course Hiro is off time traveling again. So, he gets to see that Kensei tried to release the virus for "the greater good". So, he was a Linderman kind of guy. Except, I'm thinking only posing as someone who wants the world made better. Really, he wants everyone dead but him. So, she actually wanted to destroy the virus but others (I'm betting the Linderman faction) wouldn't allow that. Heh! Nice play on the whole "blow off your head to be sure" thing. ;D Oh, of course Maya either won't believe Sylar killed or else will be sympathetic. She's a killer too! And yep, he uses the perfect explanations that will gain her sympathy. First, self-defense and then an "accident". Just like her. Not to mention, she's even spouting his party line. She hated Alehandro's wife and he must hate her. And so Sylar just reeeeels her in. Peter is still believing Kensei (noooo Peter, don't go the Mohinder route!). Spinning the truth just enough and she doesn't help by being so automatically hating of Peter. Nicely manipulated, Kensei. No wonder they're parallelling this part of your story with Sylar doing his twisty thing on Maya. Micah wants to use their powers to get the medal back. And Nicki, as usual, wants them all to be "normal happy shiny" people. But I think Monica may feel differently. "We need to be heroes." "Being a hero is what got your father killed." Ah. There he goes. Killing the brother. Ewww!! And then, being all shirtless and kissing her and the brother is lying there are bloody just inside the room? Ick!!! Sylar icky icky icky!!
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Post by Lola m on Nov 26, 2007 21:54:09 GMT -5
too bad the hopes for mohinder's double plot weren't true. noah was right last episode - mohinder has gone native. I was soooo hoping that Mohinder would suddenly be all "I had to do that, knowing I could bring you back, in order to keep them trusting me". But no. Totally not trusting Kensei. They're parallelling him with Sylar for good reason, I'm thinking.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 26, 2007 21:55:54 GMT -5
Yay! Micah and Monica! Oooh, conversation about secret identities and why they might be needed. And Monica gets it. Mom tells him about virus and that Dr Suresh is working on it. Hmmm. Also that she can't give it to him or anyone else. But if it mutated, are they sure of that? Also, more talk about what is "normal". Like at the start of the ep, when Claire was all "my father is dead, there is no more normal". Contrasting the ones who want to be normal with the ones who are OK with having powers? Ick. Sylar being all loungey with Maya? Ewww! Run, Maya! Ah. He pushes her until she starts to use her killing power (clever jibes, about wanting the brother's wife dead and that he resents his life being disrupted). And it works, she can control it without her brother. Which means that Sylar will kill him and make Maya think he just left. Of course, it also makes me wonder what other aspects of power her brother has. Ah. Find a paper trail for Kensei! It is likely that in 400 years you'd be able to find signs of him. So, does Kensei need Peter for this part of his plan? Why is he partnered up with him? Seems like he needed Peter to gain Victoria's trust. He pulled a sly one on her and Peter. But why didn't Peter read Adam's mind. Does he trust him that much, or not want to know the truth because he wants to go get his girlfriend. Because if he destroys the virus, he'll change the future and she'll be stuck there, I guess. *brain explodes* Excellent question about why not read Adam's mind. He really should. I'm thinking that Peter is still just kind of blundering along, too much happening too fast for him to stop and really think about putting all the pieces together. And yeah, I'm still all mind bendy about what happens with her in the future if that future doesn't happen . . . **brain melts, then explodes** ;D
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Post by artemis on Nov 26, 2007 22:09:27 GMT -5
i love how practical ando is: "why is saving the world always your responsibility?" he asks to the air after hiro leaves. ;D
interesting that also being able to freeze time makes you immune to being frozen!
i find it strange that peter doesn't even seem curious as to whether hiro is correct in his assertion that adam killed his father. all peter wants to do is stop him.
claire's solution is interesting too - tell the world about her power. and it says a lot, to me, about maya that she was willing to go along with kidnapping a child to get what she wants.
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Post by artemis on Nov 26, 2007 22:14:48 GMT -5
Excellent question about why not read Adam's mind. He really should. I'm thinking that Peter is still just kind of blundering along, too much happening too fast for him to stop and really think about putting all the pieces together. i'm finding peter's story a bit odd right now. peter told adam he remembers everything now (i'm not sure whether he does or not; i don't know how someone could be 100% positive they had recovered all the memories they'd lost) and yet he seems to still often be surprised by his powers, as if he doesn't remember what they are. like how did he see himself and caitlin in the future and seem to actually be there (witness taking back the flier)? as far as i could tell, there hasn't been a power shown yet that can do that. am i just not remembering? is this some outgrowth of his dream power? or what?
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Post by artemis on Nov 26, 2007 22:17:50 GMT -5
ETA forgot to say that i also don't trust kensei as far as i could throw him, but then i'm guessing none of you do either. Totally not trusting Kensei. They're parallelling him with Sylar for good reason, I'm thinking. absolutely. they're both homicidal megalomaniacs who are convinced their plan of death and destruction is what's best for the whole world. it's interesting that both of them are so against the Company when so many people at the Company seem to believe/have believed the same thing.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 26, 2007 22:33:25 GMT -5
Ah, Claire. You can still bring the emotion. The quiet listing of her many injuries and then the little broken "but this hurts". And "I've always gotten better." Wanting to have the Haitian make her forget. "You don't want to forget your dad." And I was right. Monica and Micah are off to be heroes. Dr Suresh has the cure and supposedly Bob is going to destroy all the viruses? Hmmmmm. I'm having trouble believing that. Mohinder has looked into the records and sees that the Company's hands aren't all that clean about these viruses and so on. But he still seems to think that Bob is making things different now. Hmmmmm, again. I like the partnership of Micah and Monica. He talks to the lights and has them go to sleep for a bit. And she downloads parkour moves. But oh noes!! They come back. Oh, nice twist with the hiding in ceiling but dropping the comic. And now, the bad guys have Monica!! Eeep! Can Micah maybe talk to their car and stop it? Or . . . . Oh, what if he goes to get Nicki? Will she find the Jessica side of herself and take the guys down? Ashes and apologies. Is it just me, or would it be more appropriate for the wife of the dead man to have a part in the ceremony? Um. I mean, I know we've got the whole touching father - daughter thing going on, and Claire feels guilty and so on. But, man. She lost her husband. Oh well, that's me nit picking, I suppose. And maybe they were each taking a turn releasing some of the ashes. Oh, Claire is sooo gonna kick Elle's ass. I love seeing her actually be kind of fumbly and at a loss for a change. Heh! "Watch who you're shoving, pom pom." ;D Oh. Well, that is actually an interesting plan. Go public. Although I can't help thinking it's equal parts bravado / clever planning and suicidal "my dad is dead I don't care anymore". OMG. Sylar has Molly? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Oh that just about makes me ill. Nooooo!! Hiro knows that Adam wants to release the virus. "I must avenge my father's death and save the world!" "Why is saving the world always your responsibility?" ;D And he may be able to defeat Kensei with the sword. Since everyone says that taking off the head would actually kill the healing power people. Whoa! Showdown between Hiro and Peter? Um. I'm thinking Hiro may be in trouble.
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 27, 2007 1:23:39 GMT -5
This was the chapter focussing on, at least to some extent, moral ambivalence, and the choice of companions/alliances. Micah and his cousin could become a strong choice for good; Mohinder and Peter are sliding deeper into evil by their choice of affiliation; and Maya has, in my opinion, definitely gone over to the Dark Side. Maya's slide doesn't surprise me; she was tainted by evil from the start - not in the power that she could not control, but in her decision to remain free and risk other people's death at her hands (even unwilling) during the journey to seek help. She should have surrendered herself to a hospital or something; or had her twin carry her, tranquilized.
The episode was a bit too disjointed for my taste; but then I am very tired of Sylar. Maybe Adam will kill him.
Is next week the last new episode 'til Fall '08??? I hope they don't kill of Nathan; but I think they will. They won't kill of Niki/Jessica or Peter; at least I don't think so, ditto Claire.
I can't believe Mohinder has become such a good Company man.
GAIL
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