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Post by Lola m on Jul 9, 2006 13:49:07 GMT -5
Here is the place to discuss, Guise Will Be Guise
Episode 6 of Season 2
Original Air Date: 11/07/2000
Written by: Jane Espenson
Directed by: Krishna Rao
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Post by Lola m on Jul 9, 2006 14:04:07 GMT -5
Week two of the Episode Festival, and the 9th most requested ep is . . .
Guise Will Be GuiseWesley as Angel: Yes, I am. I'm . . . Angel! The vampire with a soul . . . fighting for my redemption with . . . with . . . with killing evil demons. That's right. Scourge of the demon world. Don't worry, boys, I don't kill humans . . . unless I'm angry!  Magev: But the demon is you! Angel: No, I just -- I can't let it control me. Magev: Ah. I see. You don't think it controls you?  Wesley: Release her or die. Angel: Don't I say that?
Links!
To Guise dialog here.
To Erin’s analysis of Guise, here.
Link to the s’cubie discussion of Erin’s analysis, here.
Go forth and enjoy!
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Post by Queen E on Jul 9, 2006 15:42:26 GMT -5
One thing I've always enjoyed, not only about this episode, but of the entire Whedonverse, is the way that they play with expectations. The tiny blonde superstrong heroine, for instance.  The "swami" who looks like a Teamster is kind of a cheap laugh, but the fact that he in fact is an imposter is the "playing" part for this episode. We are lead to expect that "What you see is NOT what you get"...the FauxMagev undermines this. He's not the only one, obviously, but it's those little moments I enjoy so much when analyzing Buffy, Angel, or Firefly... |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 10, 2006 7:19:46 GMT -5
One thing I've always enjoyed, not only about this episode, but of the entire Whedonverse, is the way that they play with expectations. The tiny blonde superstrong heroine, for instance. The "swami" who looks like a Teamster is kind of a cheap laugh, but the fact that he in fact is an imposter is the "playing" part for this episode. We are lead to expect that "What you see is NOT what you get"...the FauxMagev undermines this. He's not the only one, obviously, but it's those little moments I enjoy so much when analyzing Buffy, Angel, or Firefly... **nods** Wo-Pang and the soul removal, from last week's Awakening, played with expectations. He was a bad guy and the gang does all this adventure-y stuff to save the day against the Beast and then . . . not so much. One of the things I love about Angel is how so many of the demons play against expectation. Sipping drinks and singing karaoke. ;D |
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Post by Queen E on Jul 13, 2006 19:45:54 GMT -5
One thing I've always enjoyed, not only about this episode, but of the entire Whedonverse, is the way that they play with expectations. The tiny blonde superstrong heroine, for instance. The "swami" who looks like a Teamster is kind of a cheap laugh, but the fact that he in fact is an imposter is the "playing" part for this episode. We are lead to expect that "What you see is NOT what you get"...the FauxMagev undermines this. He's not the only one, obviously, but it's those little moments I enjoy so much when analyzing Buffy, Angel, or Firefly... **nods** Wo-Pang and the soul removal, from last week's Awakening, played with expectations. He was a bad guy and the gang does all this adventure-y stuff to save the day against the Beast and then . . . not so much. One of the things I love about Angel is how so many of the demons play against expectation. Sipping drinks and singing karaoke. ;D Ahh, sweet Lorne... Which is why "This Old Gang of Mine" was such a painful episode; the board discussion about "seeing in the dark" in regards to chances for survival or chances for death gets another facet on "Angel." It's just another form of denial: Refusing to see the layers of people, demons, or situations... |
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Post by Onjel on Jul 13, 2006 20:47:15 GMT -5
I actually formed thoughts yesterday, that I meant to post here, but they've fled my cranium as surely as sea lions flee killer whales. *sigh* They all had to do with expectations and how Joss plays with them, with neat illustrations and everything! Damn. I'll think of it at some point.
In the meantime, let me repeat how much I love your review, Erin. I love the observations about the "doublets" involved in this episode. Buffy/Darla, Angel/Wes!Angel. The fact that the T'ish Magev was not who he claimed to be, in fact not the Magev at all, shouldn't have made any difference, but it did. Angel wasn't going to listen to an imposter. No matter how much sense he made. His advice about finding another tiny blonde upon whom to take out his demon's rage, etc. actually chilled me to the bone and as you say, I saw Angel's relationship with Buffy in a much more negative fashion. Clearly, that wasn't the recipe for exorcising himself of Darla.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 16, 2006 10:06:09 GMT -5
Funny, funny episode. From the elevator scene in the beginning to the "I'm not a eunuch" "You were in Virginia-That's besides the point" dialogue at the end. Alexis Denisof gives the very entertaining pratfall Wesley.
But then there's the more serious side of things. This is one of the key episodes in Wesley's maturation and Alexis Denisof also plays that beautifully.
The Tish Magev turned out to be fake (played by a wonderfully cast Hey It's That Guy!) but his advice was not. Everything he said to Angel were things that everyman, and Angel himself, would be able to figure out. ;D
I love Virginia. Such a great character.
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Post by Queen E on Jul 16, 2006 12:42:40 GMT -5
Funny, funny episode. From the elevator scene in the beginning to the "I'm not a eunuch" "You were in Virginia-That's besides the point" dialogue at the end. Alexis Denisof gives the very entertaining pratfall Wesley. But then there's the more serious side of things. This is one of the key episodes in Wesley's maturation and Alexis Denisof also plays that beautifully. The Tish Magev turned out to be fake (played by a wonderfully cast Hey It's That Guy!) but his advice was not. Everything he said to Angel were things that everyman, and Angel himself, would be able to figure out. ;D I love Virginia. Such a great character. Hey, Liz! Check out the Angelphile thread for "Guise Will be Guise"; we had a big discussion about the "keyness" of that episode in terms of Wes' development. Not to be self-promotional or anything. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 16, 2006 14:24:02 GMT -5
Funny, funny episode. From the elevator scene in the beginning to the "I'm not a eunuch" "You were in Virginia-That's besides the point" dialogue at the end. Alexis Denisof gives the very entertaining pratfall Wesley. But then there's the more serious side of things. This is one of the key episodes in Wesley's maturation and Alexis Denisof also plays that beautifully. The Tish Magev turned out to be fake (played by a wonderfully cast Hey It's That Guy!) but his advice was not. Everything he said to Angel were things that everyman, and Angel himself, would be able to figure out. ;D I love Virginia. Such a great character. Hey, Liz! Check out the Angelphile thread for "Guise Will be Guise"; we had a big discussion about the "keyness" of that episode in terms of Wes' development. Not to be self-promotional or anything. I read it, loved it, don't have much more comment on it at the moment.  |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 17, 2006 7:06:36 GMT -5
Funny, funny episode. From the elevator scene in the beginning to the "I'm not a eunuch" "You were in Virginia-That's besides the point" dialogue at the end. Alexis Denisof gives the very entertaining pratfall Wesley. But then there's the more serious side of things. This is one of the key episodes in Wesley's maturation and Alexis Denisof also plays that beautifully. The Tish Magev turned out to be fake (played by a wonderfully cast Hey It's That Guy!) but his advice was not. Everything he said to Angel were things that everyman, and Angel himself, would be able to figure out. ;D I love Virginia. Such a great character. **nods** I love how we get both Wesley's in this ep. It's like we're seeing his season 1 to season 3 arc all in one ep. |
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The "swami" who looks like a Teamster is kind of a cheap laugh, but the fact that he in fact is an imposter is the "playing" part for this episode. We are lead to expect that "What you see is NOT what you get"...the FauxMagev undermines this. He's not the only one, obviously, but it's those little moments I enjoy so much when analyzing Buffy, Angel, or Firefly...
