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Post by Lola m on Jul 16, 2006 18:59:40 GMT -5
This is the place to discuss "You're Welcome".
Episode 12 of Season 5
Original Air Date: 02/04/2004
Written by: David Fury
Directed by: David Fury
Thank you!
You're welcome!
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Post by Lola m on Jul 16, 2006 19:02:53 GMT -5
”What is it?” “It's Cordelia.” Yes that’s right! Week 3 of the 2006 Episode Festival brings us the eighth most requested Angel ep,
You’re Welcome! “Angel, do you realize what's happening? You've made a deal with the devil.”  “You know, all my carefully laid out plans, my designs, when you get right down to it, that was pretty sweet, too, huh? Reason enough for me to come back. You, me... fight to the death... Yours.”  Oh, what the hell. One for the road? Don’t forget to check out the review by the always insightful, and always missed, Nan Dibble - right here. And the discussion of Nan’s thoughts is here. Now, ready . . . set . . . . get talkin'! [/center] |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 17, 2006 16:35:00 GMT -5
What to say about this episode? Well it's good to see Cordy back if only briefly, but I feel as if there is too much that remains unresolved about her character arc. I know, I know, there wasn't enough time, but I would have liked to hear her reflect upon her choice to become demonized and her "ascension" and such and how that lead to Jasmine and whatnot (since she clearly disapproved of all that happening). brief thoughts *Lilah talked about giving Cordy the finest medical care and whatnot in Home, but the place where Cordy was in the Coma looked kinda shabby.  *I agree with whoever said that Cordy's cleavage should have gotten it's own Special Guest Star credit. Wowsers! *Doyle's video.  *Love the Cordy/Spike dialogue about souls "Well, clearly mine's better." Hee. *As Skip said in Birthday, Cordy's next "true" vision did indeed kill her. In a manner of speaking. |
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Post by Queen E on Jul 19, 2006 1:19:03 GMT -5
What to say about this episode? Well it's good to see Cordy back if only briefly, but I feel as if there is too much that remains unresolved about her character arc. I know, I know, there wasn't enough time, but I would have liked to hear her reflect upon her choice to become demonized and her "ascension" and such and how that lead to Jasmine and whatnot (since she clearly disapproved of all that happening). brief thoughts *Lilah talked about giving Cordy the finest medical care and whatnot in Home, but the place where Cordy was in the Coma looked kinda shabby. *I agree with whoever said that Cordy's cleavage should have gotten it's own Special Guest Star credit. Wowsers! *Doyle's video. *Love the Cordy/Spike dialogue about souls "Well, clearly mine's better." Hee. * As Skip said in Birthday, Cordy's next "true" vision did indeed kill her. In a manner of speaking.Excellent observation! You're right, of course. As to the "resolution" issue, I think they addressed it as much as they were going to; although certain emotional threads were left dangling, to pull the story over more than a one-episode arc would have lessened the "punch" of the episode... Here's an interesting tidbit...to get into the Circle of the Black Thorn, according to Drogyn, one had to "sacrifice... someone trusted and dear." Lindsey, by his own actions and words, was planning to sacrifice Angel to gain access into the Circle. So, Angel is "trusted and dear" to Lindsey? Any thoughts on that? |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 19, 2006 7:47:56 GMT -5
What to say about this episode? Well it's good to see Cordy back if only briefly, but I feel as if there is too much that remains unresolved about her character arc. I know, I know, there wasn't enough time, but I would have liked to hear her reflect upon her choice to become demonized and her "ascension" and such and how that lead to Jasmine and whatnot (since she clearly disapproved of all that happening). brief thoughts *Lilah talked about giving Cordy the finest medical care and whatnot in Home, but the place where Cordy was in the Coma looked kinda shabby. *I agree with whoever said that Cordy's cleavage should have gotten it's own Special Guest Star credit. Wowsers! *Doyle's video. *Love the Cordy/Spike dialogue about souls "Well, clearly mine's better." Hee. * As Skip said in Birthday, Cordy's next "true" vision did indeed kill her. In a manner of speaking.Excellent observation! You're right, of course. As to the "resolution" issue, I think they addressed it as much as they were going to; although certain emotional threads were left dangling, to pull the story over more than a one-episode arc would have lessened the "punch" of the episode... Here's an interesting tidbit...to get into the Circle of the Black Thorn, according to Drogyn, one had to "sacrifice... someone trusted and dear." Lindsey, by his own actions and words, was planning to sacrifice Angel to gain access into the Circle. So, Angel is "trusted and dear" to Lindsey? Any thoughts on that? I think Eve put her finger right on it when she said: "It all comes back to Angel, doesn't it? He's still the center of your universe." I mean, yes, the writers and creators were playing up the slashy subtext thing between them since their very first scene. But I think it's true in an even larger way. I think Lindsey met Angel and saw someone that in a lot of ways was really what he wanted when he first headed off to law school and then signed up with W&H. What he wanted and wanted to be - larger than life, mythic, important, the cool guy. I think that Lindsey was, deep down underneath, disappointed with how . . . ordinary and banal the evil was at W&H. He saw Angel and the Senior Partners as players in the bigger plan and he wanted in. Unfortunately, he was never really in that league at all, was he? |
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Post by Onjel on Jul 19, 2006 20:27:53 GMT -5
Let's crack those books and get some trivia questions answered, shall we? Let's start easy. . ..In the episode, Cordelia watches the video she and Doyle made to advertise Angel Investigations. In what previous episode was that video seen?
What “brand” of shoes is Eve wearing in this episode, as correctly identified by Cordelia?
What is the video game that Spike plays in this episode? |
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Post by Shan on Jul 19, 2006 20:42:35 GMT -5
I think Spike is playing Crash Bandicoot.
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Post by Shan on Jul 19, 2006 20:45:13 GMT -5
And Cordelia is watching the ad they made in Hero.  |
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Post by Onjel on Jul 19, 2006 20:55:36 GMT -5
I think Spike is playing Crash Bandicoot. Not in this episode, I'm sorry. But thanks for playing.  ;D |
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Post by Onjel on Jul 19, 2006 20:59:04 GMT -5
And Cordelia is watching the ad they made in Hero.  Woot! Shan takes another pair of Smarty Pants! Woot! [/b][/color][/size][/center] Okay, Shan gets a trophy. |
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Post by Matthew on Jul 19, 2006 21:21:09 GMT -5
"Donkey Kong" of some variety, and Mahnolo (sp)Blahniks (sp)?
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Post by Karen on Jul 19, 2006 22:20:06 GMT -5
What to say about this episode? Well it's good to see Cordy back if only briefly, but I feel as if there is too much that remains unresolved about her character arc. I know, I know, there wasn't enough time, but I would have liked to hear her reflect upon her choice to become demonized and her "ascension" and such and how that lead to Jasmine and whatnot (since she clearly disapproved of all that happening). brief thoughts *Lilah talked about giving Cordy the finest medical care and whatnot in Home, but the place where Cordy was in the Coma looked kinda shabby. *I agree with whoever said that Cordy's cleavage should have gotten it's own Special Guest Star credit. Wowsers! *Doyle's video. *Love the Cordy/Spike dialogue about souls "Well, clearly mine's better." Hee. * As Skip said in Birthday, Cordy's next "true" vision did indeed kill her. In a manner of speaking.Excellent observation! You're right, of course. As to the "resolution" issue, I think they addressed it as much as they were going to; although certain emotional threads were left dangling, to pull the story over more than a one-episode arc would have lessened the "punch" of the episode... Here's an interesting tidbit...to get into the Circle of the Black Thorn, according to Drogyn, one had to "sacrifice... someone trusted and dear." Lindsey, by his own actions and words, was planning to sacrifice Angel to gain access into the Circle. So, Angel is "trusted and dear" to Lindsey? Any thoughts on that? I'm so conflicted on the whole Lindsey/Angel relationship. On one hand, I feel that Angel gave Lindsey the chance to prove himself to be trustworthy, and on the other hand (snicker), I feel that maybe if Angel had tried a little harder to help Lindsey like he did Faith, that Lindsey would've turned himself around. Then again, that's probably me wishing very hard that Lindsey would've teamed up with Angel, because I think he really did admire and 'love' Angel, in that love/hate kind of way. So - yeah, I think Angel was trusted and dear to Lindsey, as much as Lindsey was able to trust and love anyone. Lindsey was pretty damaged. |
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Post by Onjel on Jul 19, 2006 22:53:34 GMT -5
"Donkey Kong" of some variety, and Mahnolo (sp)Blahniks (sp)? Both answers are correct! #woot2# Matthew snags another pair of smartypants! Yayy! #woot2# |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 20, 2006 7:28:23 GMT -5
Excellent observation! You're right, of course. As to the "resolution" issue, I think they addressed it as much as they were going to; although certain emotional threads were left dangling, to pull the story over more than a one-episode arc would have lessened the "punch" of the episode... Here's an interesting tidbit...to get into the Circle of the Black Thorn, according to Drogyn, one had to "sacrifice... someone trusted and dear." Lindsey, by his own actions and words, was planning to sacrifice Angel to gain access into the Circle. So, Angel is "trusted and dear" to Lindsey? Any thoughts on that? I'm so conflicted on the whole Lindsey/Angel relationship. On one hand, I feel that Angel gave Lindsey the chance to prove himself to be trustworthy, and on the other hand (snicker), I feel that maybe if Angel had tried a little harder to help Lindsey like he did Faith, that Lindsey would've turned himself around. Then again, that's probably me wishing very hard that Lindsey would've teamed up with Angel, because I think he really did admire and 'love' Angel, in that love/hate kind of way. So - yeah, I think Angel was trusted and dear to Lindsey, as much as Lindsey was able to trust and love anyone. Lindsey was pretty damaged. I'll join you in the coflicted place, 'cuz I would have loved to see Lindsey join "team Angel" too. He's just such a fascinating, dark, damaged (well put - by the way) character. And yet, every time he's given the chance to make a choice . . . he pulls away. I never really thought of the idea of Angel trying harder to help - like he did with Faith. Because you're right - he doesn't try very hard. Heck, a lot of times he almost actively seems to be pushing the other direction. Is it because he figures Lindsey really really chose the path he's on, more so than Faith? Or because Faith is a slayer? Was Faith helped more because she went to jail and was forced (well, as much as you can force a slayer - you can't tell me she couldn't have busted out any time she wanted) to think about things and work thru her stuff? |
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Post by Karen on Jul 22, 2006 12:52:05 GMT -5
I'm so conflicted on the whole Lindsey/Angel relationship. On one hand, I feel that Angel gave Lindsey the chance to prove himself to be trustworthy, and on the other hand (snicker), I feel that maybe if Angel had tried a little harder to help Lindsey like he did Faith, that Lindsey would've turned himself around. Then again, that's probably me wishing very hard that Lindsey would've teamed up with Angel, because I think he really did admire and 'love' Angel, in that love/hate kind of way. So - yeah, I think Angel was trusted and dear to Lindsey, as much as Lindsey was able to trust and love anyone. Lindsey was pretty damaged. I'll join you in the coflicted place, 'cuz I would have loved to see Lindsey join "team Angel" too. He's just such a fascinating, dark, damaged (well put - by the way) character. And yet, every time he's given the chance to make a choice . . . he pulls away. I never really thought of the idea of Angel trying harder to help - like he did with Faith. Because you're right - he doesn't try very hard. Heck, a lot of times he almost actively seems to be pushing the other direction. Is it because he figures Lindsey really really chose the path he's on, more so than Faith? Or because Faith is a slayer? Was Faith helped more because she went to jail and was forced (well, as much as you can force a slayer - you can't tell me she couldn't have busted out any time she wanted) to think about things and work thru her stuff? Hmm...Faith was helped more because she felt remorse for her actions, unlike Lindsey, who didn't, or at least didn't show it if he did, from what I remember. He balked when the children were in danger, because he identified with them a bit, but as fars as feeling remorse? No. That might have been the difference that Angel saw. Or, maybe it was because Faith was a hot chick with superpowers.  |
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