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Post by Lola m on Jul 15, 2007 18:51:41 GMT -5
4/22: Home
Lilah returns from Hell to offer Angel Inv. the L.A. branch of Wolfram and Hart. They are given the option of going to see what it has to offer, which all of them decide to take. When on their tours, Fred is offered the Science Department. Gunn is taken to the White Room to see who replaced the Girl. Wesley is offered books with infinite knowledge, and Lorne is offered the Entertainment Department. If they accept, Angel would be the head honcho. In the end, Angel will accept, but only under one condition.
Discuss!
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Post by Lola m on Jul 15, 2007 18:58:07 GMT -5
It's party time, party time, 2007 Sizzlin’  Episode Festival party time!
We begin with the 10th most-voted-for episode of Angel.
Home
No game. In fact, game over. Guess what? You win.
Lilah: You earned it. Think of it as a reward.
Gunn: Reward for what?
Lilah: Ending world peace.
Angel: It's not a decision I can make for you, for any of you, but know this: Before the ride's even over, before you even cross through their doors, you'll be corrupted.
Come on, Charlie. Let me show you around the chocolate factory.
Connor: We can't start over.
Angel: We can. I mean, we can change things.
Connor: There's only one thing that ever changes anything... and that's death. Everything else is just a lie. You can't be saved by a lie. You can't be saved at all.
Angel: I really do love you, Connor.
Connor: So what are you gonna do about it?
Angel: Prove it.
Who’s Connor?
[/center][/size] Go forth and watch tapes or DVDs or re-charge the batteries in your memory or read the transcripts! 'Cuz it's time to turn the upcoming week into a celebration of Home.
Don't have the vids or DVDs? Haven't watched this ep recently?
Read the transcript for Home here or here at Buffyworld.
Read the episode guide for Home here.
Read the Buffyverse Dialogue Database here
Discuss, laugh, swoon, lust, wipe away a tear, post pictures or trivia questions, swap gossip, think deep, think shallow!
In other words? Let the party commence! |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 16, 2007 7:51:51 GMT -5
You know, watching this ep now, after season 5, is a whole 'nother level of "had we but known" feeling. Really makes me look at this ep differently and in more depth. What I found I really paid attention to was Angel's progress. From the guy at the start, who is all "your decision if you want to take the deal" and "you'll be corrupted" to the "executive decision" guy at the end . . . And it's good for me to be reminded of the true tipping point for him. The craziness and rioting and badness after defeating Jasmine is not enough - he's seen people go wild and then settle down again (which is the cynical side of him that let him accept some things about working at W&H). And it's not Lilah's arguments about how he can use the resources of W&H to fight the good fight even better (so we can see that he was never all that convinced this would work, which explains his . . . lack of passion being CEO; explains why Spike won the fight for the cup and "wanted it more"). It's him thinking this as the only way of saving Connor, literally saving Connor's life and being the only chance for him to ever be happy. Rightly or wrongly, he makes that decision. But that's a decision in the past, one he has to live with, but not something that makes a great motivator or rallying cry once the change has been made, especially when he's the only one that knows it happened. He's left with trying to justify his decision as being made so they can fight evil better (which he doesn't believe) while keeping his team, his people, ignorant of his real motive, which is known by the big evil they're all working within. Well no wonder he starts to lose his way. He was sort of doomed from the start, now that I look at it.  |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 16, 2007 21:32:27 GMT -5
Thing about Home is that it's got two parts, sorta mixed together: Angel Investigations getting suckered into Wolfram and Hart, and the Angel and Conner story. The Wolfram and Hart stuff I find sort of meh, while the Angel&Conner storyline breaks my heart. Most of season takes place in the span of a couple of weeks. When put it perspective, it becomes clear that AI was emotionally exhausted (try watching the season as a marathon; you'll be emotionally exhausted too). In this episode, they are presented with 2 choices: continue their mission of running a detective agency and helping people on an individual basis, or take WH's offer. After recent larger-than-life events, their original mission must seem rather small to them. This and the emotional exhaustion are the reasons they even consider WH's offer, I think. I loved Lilah coming back. According to the dvd commentary, the "awkward silence" moment after the credits takes up exactly the time it takes to show all the credits. They put it together from reaction shots in the excess footage of the subsequent scene. I like Lilah vocalizing the alternative interpretation of recent events. Instead of saving the world, AI ended world peace, etc. No more Hyperion after this episode.  I don't understand why they couldn't have all kept living there. I mean, Angel owned the building and all. Or they could have used it for some other purpose. It was such a gorgeous set. Love that Jonathan Woodward's back. I really liked Files&Records, but Wesley's new library is also very cool. I still don't like the necro-tempered glass as a concept. If it had been integral to the plot at a few points in places in season 5, I might have liked it better. WH providing the amulet indicates that they are not on the same side as The First. That, and Jasmine's questionable status suggests that it's less about good vs. evil, and more about various groups vying for power. The Angel&Connor confrontation scene to the end makes me cry, and I normally don't cry at things. VK really knocks one out of the part and DB really steps up.  And Lilah said the Cordy was receiving the finest medical care. Based on that I would have expected the walls of the hospital to be lined with gold or something. But the place we see her in in You're Welcome is pretty drab. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 16, 2007 21:33:52 GMT -5
Also, I don't think that the transcripts are accurate. I think they might be the original shooting scripts maybe. And Buffyworld is putting the transcripts back up, btw.
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Post by Lola m on Jul 20, 2007 7:07:42 GMT -5
Also, I don't think that the transcripts are accurate. I think they might be the original shooting scripts maybe. And Buffyworld is putting the transcripts back up, btw. Thanks for the info!! |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 20, 2007 7:29:57 GMT -5
Thing about Home is that it's got two parts, sorta mixed together: Angel Investigations getting suckered into Wolfram and Hart, and the Angel and Conner story. The Wolfram and Hart stuff I find sort of meh, while the Angel&Conner storyline breaks my heart. I think I felt more that way when it first aired. Because the Angel/Connor stuff was . . . immediate feeling. It was the resolution (of a sort) of their storyline all season, heck all past two seasons. I've come to have more appreciation for the W&H storyline now that I've seen season 5. Because we see the start of the quieter, more insidious evil that pulled them all in a W&H. Excellent point! **nods nods nods** I hadn't ever really looked at the timeline like that from their perspective. And now that you mention it, that is one aspect that it true of both BtVS season 7 and AtS season 4 (well, along with each facing their own very apocalyptic-y apocalypse) - the emotional exhaustion from so much, so quickly or for so long. And I love how each one of them is disturbed in their own way to hear it described that way. I loved and missed the Hyperion too. The reference books that turn into any book that W&H has? Coolest thing ever!! I sometimes think that Files&Records are like . . . the old way businesses did business, files and paper (or even computerized, but still in a way that replicates files and paper). And Wesley's library is like when a business upgrades their systems, gets a new online knowledge base or something. And everyone is still adjusting to the things they can do with the new system. **nods** The Senior Partners have their own game and agenda. I like how we see that all the bad guys don't necessarily band together, they're out for what specifically they want. And it fits with what we've seen of the SPs and W&H from the beginning, when they did whatever fit their needs - like dropping an "evil" client who was messing up their long game (like the mobster in Sense and Sensitivity), or the infighting among W&H employees (when Lilah stages a coup and successfully kills her boss and takes his place because she went "under his head" heh heh to a senior partner). Oh yeah! So heartbreaking when Connor talks about all the lies, talks about Jasmne . . . "You can't be saved by a lie. You can't be saved at all." Definitely not the spa-like lux hospital I would have expected from W&H or for Cordy. But then again, Spike's hospital room was pretty basic too, when he got his hands cut off. Makes me have horrible thoughts like, did no one of the Fang Gang come to visit Cordy? Would the room have been spiffier if they did? |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 20, 2007 8:49:57 GMT -5
I sometimes think that Files&Records are like . . . the old way businesses did business, files and paper (or even computerized, but still in a way that replicates files and paper). And Wesley's library is like when a business upgrades their systems, gets a new online knowledge base or something. And everyone is still adjusting to the things they can do with the new system. I meant Files&Records, the character from Dad, I think. Lilah talked to her when she went down to read up on Angel. I liked her; it would have been cool if she had been a recurring character. |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 20, 2007 16:26:09 GMT -5
I sometimes think that Files&Records are like . . . the old way businesses did business, files and paper (or even computerized, but still in a way that replicates files and paper). And Wesley's library is like when a business upgrades their systems, gets a new online knowledge base or something. And everyone is still adjusting to the things they can do with the new system. I meant Files&Records, the character from Dad, I think. Lilah talked to her when she went down to read up on Angel. I liked her; it would have been cool if she had been a recurring character. Oh, I meant that too. I mean, that Files&Records, the mystical person, represented or was a metaphor for the concept of old systems in a corporate setting. But I see much of AtS as metaphor for, or exploration of, what it is like to go thru the stages of becoming a working person, working adult, especially in a big city. (Um. Which is all kinda excessively looking for deeper meaning, perhaps.)  But, you know, like how Joss used BtVS monsters to explore issues of high school and growing up.  |
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I don't understand why they couldn't have all kept living there. I mean, Angel owned the building and all. Or they could have used it for some other purpose. It was such a gorgeous set.
