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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 13:17:35 GMT -5
Nan-
What a lovely apology-
I think the whole bouha ha was wonderful in a way b/c (as another poster vividly put it) we all became "mini Buffys" (great imagery) and rallied round loyally and graciously- The fact that it was all based upon a misunderstanding gives it an air of delicious hilarity- I for one am so relieved that David is the gentleman he is and so readily and humorously forgave us for our rocket launching party.
I am happy it was not what we all thought we were reacting too- it gives our site a richer history and shared, wistful regret for a case of mistaken identity.
I, for one, will never hesitate to line up with your mini brigade and we will all be a trifle wiser. Count me in for any whipped cream Weetabix pies that David wants to launch- we all deserve a mouthful of wry deliciosity.
ok ok I have to pedal very quickly now to catch up- they are halfway to Central Park now-
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 13:18:40 GMT -5
I like SMG as well. I don't blame her for having boundaries and trying to preserve privacy. She's a person of her convictions, and I can admire that even if I don't understand all of her convictions.
And as ellie mentioned, it is hard to be a young, female lead with some power in a business dominated my male power. She was very young when the show started, and she still is quite young. Sometimes she says/does things that reflect that, but hey, that is allowed.
I definitely don't blame her for what her husband says. I have never read anything where she herself says something along the lines he did - that some person(s) on the show made "poor decisions" and implying it was ego-driven. She may very well say these things in private to blow off steam, etc, and she may very well think that. But I appreciate it when people have professionalism and class in public about their co-workers.
I can understand the instinct to defend/protect his bride - but I haven't seen any attacks on her, in public, by her co-workers. So . . . it's disconcerting. Plus, maybe SMG isn't this way, but I have always hated that "overprotected" feelings some guys can give you, and this makes me uncomfortable on that level too. So I am confess to a total lack of objectivity; I am personalizing here, thinking, "I'd smack Freddie a good one if I were her."
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 13:19:18 GMT -5
Nan: A wonderful apology - but I hope it doesn't mean you will hestitate too much if you feel the need to say what needs to be said in the future. You couldn't know about the reference, and David did start out taking a defensive posture - I would guess, due to worries that he might be treading where he wasn't wanted (which was understandable). But, at first, there was a sort of caustic and condescending touch to in his posts. I appreciated it when you spoke up.
I also appreciated how easily David rode out that whole thing, and how quickly he has lost the defensiveness and become a valuable, interesting poster - in part because of the ruckus that helped clear the air.
It all worked out just fine! Nan, you are an excellent ombudsman. Don't stop being you!
Edited By Spring Summers at 4/19/2003 10:33:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 13:21:20 GMT -5
Dear Nan,
I too was somewhat dumbfounded when I read Dave's post. I really had a feeling that I was missing something, and when I couldn't figure out what it was, wondered whether this was an insult or not. As I was WAY behind in my posts, I just kept reading. Then the fur flew, then more fur flew, then Dave popped back in, explained it all away, appologised for any misunderstanding and admitted that even he could see how the misunderstanding could have arrisen. We have all since welcomed him to the fold. All except me that is, I just got here:
Welcome A-Board Dave!
So, big misunderstanding. No biggie. As long as Dave isn't holding a grudge.
Dave, you aren't holding a grudge are you?
See, all better now.
Ellie, thanks for a reply, I needed one.
By the by, April 23rd is coming up. Would you like to be reminded, or would you like to be ignored?
Sue, so have these cases of SARS been confirmed? They have finally located the virus, but I don't know whether they have developped a test yet. Since there was no test for the disease, there were many false reports of SARS. The probable SARS case here in Ottawa has since been repudiated. Probably boring old flu virus. The death toll in Toronto rose to 13 last weekend, and all of those cases were linked to the same group of travellers returning from Asia or their close friends/family or Health Care workers. The woman responsible for most of the research on the virus has fallen ill. No word yet on whether it is SARS.
I would just like to take this opportunity to remind you all that SARS, although deadly in some cases, is only a little more deadly than regular flu. Sure, it makes people very sick. But 96 percent of people recover completely. Many of the deaths reported are among the elderly or people with underlying medical conditions. But then again, these people (and asthmatics like me) are already suceptible to the flu virus too.
The death toll with SARS, 4%, is not more than the death toll with chicken pox. A reminder to you all to have your children vaccinated. Also, we should all remember to have our MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccinations renewed. They wear off with time.
So the moral of the story is to be vigilant, but not to overeact.
Yes, local news stations sometimes forget that there is a bigger world out there. The public tends to get bored with hearing always the same thing though. Witness the drop in Iraqi War coverage in the last few weeks. It isn't that the war isn't there, but apparently our attention span has reached its limit and we need to hear about other things.
Peace upon you all,
Watergal
Edited By Watergal =^..^= at 4/19/2003 10:37:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 18:40:30 GMT -5
Alright - this was a post from Part 17 but I wanted to make sure Diane saw it.
Diane:
I was thinking tonight while I was driving to my parents' house (Mom's birthday/Easter celebration) about possible topics for debate and I thought of one: Buffy/Angel v. Buffy/Spike. Since you want to be devil's advocate this time, I thought you could take the B/A relationship and discuss why it's better than B/S - and I'll do the reverse.
I thought this would be interesting because I have to admit....god, can't believe I'm about to admit this....I'm a B/A 'shipper. PLEASE don't shoot me or kick me off the board - I adore Spike (he's my absolute favorite character) but the diehard romantic in me is a B/A 'shipper. I'm not opposed to B/S, not at all, but I would prefer B/A. I think it's because I've watched Buffy from the beginning - I was 19,20 when it started and I could identify with that whole "first love", "true love" idea. I saw Buffy and Angel from the beginning and could relate to their relationship - well, the guy I was dating wasn't a vampire but we had our ups and downs. We had that passionate, young love that I recognize now wasn't love. We had the love (or infatuation) that burns and burns until there is nothing left, until you realize that maybe this isn't love or at least, the type of love that you dream about as a little girl. The love that lasts a lifetime, the kind of love I want. To me, B/A represent that idealized version of love - the love that you think will last forever and ever, the love that makes you wear blinders. But the idealized love often can't last - oftentimes, it breaks down when tested.
However (and here I go, talking in circles), I do think that B/S is probably a better relationship than B/A. Theirs is the real love, the joy and sorrow, the messiness that comes with love. Buffy and Spike know that this love is not "ideal" - ideal in the sense that is perfect. Theirs is not a perfect love but love never is. There is always struggles in love and I think the true love recognizes this and is able to work throught it together. B/A is a very idealized love and the romantic in me still wants to believe in that "one true love" (and I do) but the cynic in me (yep, had my heart broken and I'm still recovering) knows that a lot of times, that may or may not happen. I think if I had started watching Buffy in season 5 or 6 I would be a die-hard Spuffy fan - hell, I wouldn't mind it now, it's just not something I that desperately want.
OK, now that I made my confession (y'all still love me, right? Are you going to make me turn in my S'cubie card?), I propose that you take the side of "B/A all the way!" and I take the side of "B/S is the best!". This just a suggestion and if you don't want to do it, that's perfectly fine with me. I just thought it might be an interesting challenge for you. Let me know what you think - or if anyone else wants to debate with me, that's cool.
Have I just totally embarrassed myself with my confession? Let's see...I'm thinking, yeah.
Lee Hollins
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 18:41:03 GMT -5
(sung to the tune of "YMCA")
He makes us proud, V-L-A-D, He makes us proud, V-L-A-D. He can do anything, most anything, for all of the S'cubes. He makes us proud, V-L-A-D, He makes us proud, V-L-A-D!"
Granted, I know it doesn't go exactly with the tune but you get it. How do y'all like "Vlad's song"?
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 18:42:54 GMT -5
Hi, I have just recently found this site & newly lurking.I emailed Deborah Cohen about going to the Chicago Buffycon,& hope to meet her there & Miss Pamela. Deborah encouraged me to write on this board,I really have nothing profound to say other than glad to have found a site with a mature(older than 12)audience so I hope to one day participate. At least as a spectator.
I also have an very intelligent red headed 12 yo son who has philosophically stimulated conversations with me after watching Buffy & Angel(so I'm not putting down that age either.)
BTW Vlad what part of Indiana are you located as I'm slightly NW of Indianapolis?
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 19:32:58 GMT -5
A suggestion: might you want to have your debates elsewhere on the miscellaneous board? As a separate topic? The reason I suggest it is not that such a debate would be in any way out of place here, but I think there would be advantages to "taking it outside":
1. Point and counterpoint would not be separated by intervening posts about other things.
2. Anybody could participate and observe--not just us S'cubies.
3. The debate would be there, available for reference, not buried in the 500 posts of our S'cubie thread.
If you choose to go that route, may I suggest that the topic of debate be clearly stated as a subject heading; that the primary flag carrier for each side be identified (to distinguish theirs from possible ancillary posts from others); that it be made clear that this is not an ARGUMENT but a DEBATE between two ideas, not two people--people who are doing their best to represent a position and possibly not a position that they, themselves, hold (the Devil's Advocate idea). That will minimize the effect of the real fanatics for one position or the other (I visualize a passionate B/A shipper getting into it, for instance, drawn by what they perceive as the smell of blood) on the proceedings.
Only a suggestion. You may have other or additional ground rules you want to specify in the defining first post on the topic. But I suggest you DO have ground rules and make them clear at the outset.
Let the games begin!
Nan Dibble
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 19:33:29 GMT -5
Ou! Ou! (sounds like you)--I get to be first to welcome Kathy (but I know I won't be last.)
Nice to "meet" you, looking forward to hearing more.
I'm not going to Chicago, but my son goes to Northwestern and we love the city. (I'll email him and tell him JM is in town--he'll grimace.)
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 19:34:14 GMT -5
//Still not clear how I'm going to move an injured Xander to Bellevue, though. That's kind of a long ride, isn't it?
Somebody help me out with that. Seriously, how can Xander be believably transferred away from the Bronx into Manhattan?//
Actually, it wouldn't be that hard. I know that doctors don't like transferring patients from one hospital to another once they've been admitted, but doctors will transfer a patient if they believe the new hospital will be able to provide care that the first one can't.
Bellevue is noted for its psychiatric facility; Lincoln Hospital is not. Have the doctor decide to transfer Xander to Bellevue -- he'll be taken there by ambulance -- so that he can receive the treatment that the doctor knows Xander can only get there. Getting there will be easy --leave Lincoln Hospital on Morris Avenue to Third Avenue (a few blocks away), go right across the Third Avenue Bridge to the FDR Drive to the 34th Street exit, then the service road to Bellevue -- be sure to mention the views of the Queens skyline and the ships on the East River.
I'm glad you loved my town.
Laura the Lawyer
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 19:35:14 GMT -5
There's a new poll on allaboutspike asking you to vote on your favorite Spike/other ship. Only 23 votes posted so far. Guess who's winning?
It also allows for comments to be posted and out of maybe 10-12 at least 3 mention their huge dislike of Buffy aka some of our recent discussion.
Know how we have noted that you can't judge Spike or his motivations by human standards? I don't think people don't understand that Buffy can't be judged by "normal" standards either. She's at least as far off normal as Spike. At least there are other vampires, there's only one Slayer. Wait, there are two--and look at the violence inflicted on the world around her by Faith. By THAT standard Buffy's behavior isn't so bad. And she IS the only slayer to have died and been brought back.
Buffy's character, as written, doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling either. I think that is very much the writer's intention. It's like fans saying, I don't like Angelus--he's mean. Well, duh. Yes Buffy is withdrawn, in emotional denial (still), and has a tendency toward violence. The marvel is, like Spike seeking his soul, that she is still functioning at all after all she has been through the past 7 years.
Edited By Sue P at 4/19/2003 12:43:00 PM.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 19:35:44 GMT -5
Kathy! I was wondering when you would show up! Deborah told us to expect you (and that you have a parrot, if I am not mistaken.)
Welcome A-Board!
PS: I love that saying, and I love my own particular spelling. It's very punny, even if I do say so myself.
Watergal
Hey, did you all notice I can now do all those handy dandy fomats? * Bows graciously upon hearing the applause* I must say though, that those little less than and greater than signes as well as the divided by sign are a pain in the posterior when typing on a biligual keyboard where the "ALT Car" key has to be pushed down simultaneously so that instead of the less and greater than signs, I don't get: '" yes indeedy folks, that is the apostrophe followed by the quotation marks. Where most of you find those handy little marks, I have my è È key. So, to sum up, I have a keyboard that is intermittently anoying. At work I have a standard English keyboard, and I find that nice for the HTML, but every time I want to type an appostrophe, I get a <
Boy, did I just wander off topic or what!
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Post by Dalton on Jul 21, 2003 19:36:55 GMT -5
Sue said that Buffy can't be judged by normal human standards any more than Spike can. That's a just assessment, and I agree. Buffy herself is so insistent on the human in her wishes and expectations, in what she tries to enforce upon herself, that (for me, at least) the fact that she's slowly but inevitably diverged and been pulled away from her human cheerleader origins generally escapes me in the times I've been particularly vexed with her.
There's a topic for sometime: what are the defining characteristics of genus:Slayer (as opposed, for instance, to genus:Vampire), going by the examples, past and present, we've been shown in the series?
You may have noticed, I don't lurk well even when I mean to. Too many people saying too many interesting things. I trust I am forgiven for my inconsistency.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 23, 2003 13:32:33 GMT -5
And just so you know -- the Queens "skyline" seen from the FDR Drive is mostly industrial buildings, warehouses and billboards, and the Citicorp Building in Long Island City a "sister" to the more famous Citicorp Center in Midtown Manhattan). You'd also get great views of Roosevelt Island and the Roosevelt Island Tram.
Laura the Lawyer
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Post by Dalton on Jul 23, 2003 13:33:26 GMT -5
The radio just started playing Men at Work's Land Down Under and I thought of you. How sad is that? I just finished reading In a Sunburned Country and I believe that Bill Bryson's saying that Australia is one of the World's most overlooked countries is quite true. I mean let's face it, most people don't even know what Australia's capital city is called. (But then again, how many people have I met who think that Toronto is the capital of Canada?)
Okay then, if Australia is the most overlooked and misunderstood countries, then Canada is the second. =) (And no Vlad, Canada is not US-North. and Pptphphphphphttttt =P to you too.) For example, unlike Bill Bryson, I would say "sunburnt."
(Nan! I've forgotten if that period goes inside the quotation marks! Is it the punctuation always goes inside the quotation marks and with parentheses it depends on the context of the sentence? If it is, then I've got it. If it is the other way around, I haven't gotten it yet.)
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