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Post by Dalton on Jun 26, 2003 23:30:44 GMT -5
Spring Summers Chair, Ebulgeometrics
I'll be doing my duty and keeping my eyes open tonight!
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Post by Dalton on Jun 26, 2003 23:32:18 GMT -5
(This is an historic post.)
Rusty Goode, President VHISN and Lecturer, Dept of Nosferopsychology.
Water, I can't believe you haven't been offered a Chair. Our application process is simple.It involves having at least three of the following qualifications:
1) an IQ at least 2 degrees higher than room temperature, 2)a history of demented and irreverant behavior,
3)the ability to manipulate the english language for personal gratification and the amusement of others,
4)the admission of powerlessness over your facination with Spike and the belief that JM deserves an Emmy,
5) the ability to apply scientific or intellectual principles to imaginary realities, and
5)the belief that Endulgence in Ebulgence leads to Efulgence.
Jumping up and down waving your hand in the air and shouting me! me! and declaring a specialty not claimed by a current chair also helps.
We also accept applications for other creative positions on the faculty or staff. And last, but not least,They also serve who only stand and snark.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 26, 2003 23:34:13 GMT -5
I appreciate your responses very much. I know this is a Spike-centric board, and my opinions regarding Buffy and Xander don't really have a place here, but frankly this thread has the majority of the people I enjoy conversing with here. This is the place to be. B/X shippers are a pretty rare breed, so I have to find company somewhere.
I'll open a new thread with my responses to Spring and Pam's arguments though...I have strong opinions where my Xander is concerned. :-)
Getting back to my opinion regarding a Spike-Faith pairing....I realize it's not a realistic long term option. I was throwing out the idea because Buffy and Spike is going to be angst ridden, and I'd like to see both characters be happy. Joss gives the fans a taste of something that they crave, but deep down they know it's headed for disaster. Then he yanks it away from us as cruelly as possible. See B/A, W/X and W/Oz as examples. He sets things up to fail and watches us squirm and try to wish away the inevitable. I think Joss will throw some hope to B/S shippers, giving glimpses of a possible legitimate relationship. He will then pull the rug out from under them like he always does.
I love Spike. I love Buffy. If the show doesn't return we're looking at a countdown from 10, starting tonight. For the love of God, Joss, give us something resembling a happy ending. The Scoobies--and the fans who love them--deserve to go out with some peace.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 26, 2003 23:36:14 GMT -5
Opening scene in the cemetery: LOVED IT!! Spuffy hearts had to be a-quickenin' around the globe, and this Spikeaholic was the happiest she's been so far this season! Oooo... tummy, navel, ribs of SPIKE. Chemistry building... yep! So wonderful to overall see Buffy continuing to treat Spike nicely, and with some respect finally!! And nice to see him in game face playing "Big Bad"; I think he must've really been enjoying himself playing "Big Bad" with the green-around-the-gills SIT's!
Now when's the DUSTER gonna come out? Probably right before A/THE "BIG" battle near the end of the season. My prediction: when you see the duster, know the end is near (hopefully NOT for Spike - just the season or, my lesser preference, the series).
"BetelClem" in the Demon Bar!! I know - it was obvious, but loved it - hooray for seeing Clem again! But why didn't he greet Spike? Had they already met since Spike returned from Africa?
Dawn: I was almost completely unspoiled for this ep, but I wasn't surprised she wasn't the next "potential" (at least so far she's not been identified). Felt sorta bad for her, but she DID have that whole Key thing in S5 - pretty special indeed - how quickly these kids forget. Plus I almost liked Xander at the end. ;-) Nice, poignant talk; he was right, though. - and I was just waiting for Dawn to say the word, "Watcher". Speaking of which...
Giles: MIA this week? Where'd he go? Yes, I fully believe TFE is damn well re-grouping; just a coincidence no Giles this week?
Anya: Made me smile. ;-) Always so good with the brutally honest, well-meaning comments. She must be the youngest-at-heart 1,110-year-old creature in the world - just like a small child that spouts off whatever comes into their head.
Willow: What will it take to restore her self-confidence? But it must be the guilt from S6, too... maybe she's so afraid of going Darth Willow again, or TFE using her when her psyche's open while doing magick and can't say as I blame her. I think she'll still play a huge role eventually - she's got to.
Buffy: No real complaints; saw some classic "quippy Buffy"; she looked a little less boy-ish this time. And again - happy how she's treating Spike. And, hey - she still DOES have the job at the high school.
The New Potential (forgot her name already): Kinda figured she was going to be the next potential; boy, she certainly seemed to be a faster learner than the others, in a way - of course, she had lotsa backup.
And is it me, or did the "pretty" Slayers end with Faith? No biggie; no disrepect; just an observation - it's nice to see "real" looking girls in a show, but just notice they seem plain compared to Buffy, Kendra, and Faith.
One consistency complaint: It's not Buffy that has to die for the next Slayer to be called; it's Faith. Maybe the SIT's haven't been told about her - maybe for a reason - or maybe the writers are hoping we sorta forget about Faith until they're ready to bring her into Sunnydale.
Anyway - I liked it a lot! More Spike, of course - but I liked it: I'll give it 4 out of 5 fangs. ;-)
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Post by Dalton on Jun 26, 2003 23:38:05 GMT -5
Rob, We have no problem with a digression (or obsession) here, that's why we prefer the Misc. Board.After all, we digressed our way over here from Episodes.
We are pretty Spikecentric and we might put forward arguments against your point of view, but we do it respectfully and because we enjoy the dialogue.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:00:55 GMT -5
Rob said: "I appreciate your responses very much. I know this is a Spike-centric board, and my opinions regarding Buffy and Xander don't really have a place here,..."
Oh, but if you mention "Spike" at least once in your posts, we'll forgive ya... ;-) Seriously, like it says at the top of the threads, "off-topic not a problem". I think people here are tolerant as long as views are presented respectfully. It's impossible for even two people to agree on everything, but if folks can agree to disagree nicely, then you can have meaningful diaglogues and even learn something.
"...but frankly this thread has the majority of the people I enjoy conversing with here. This is the place to be."
Awww... ;-)
"B/X shippers are a pretty rare breed, so I have to find company somewhere."
Yeah, they are - even rarer, it would seem from my readings at various fanfic sites, than X/S shippers!
"I'll open a new thread with my responses to Spring and Pam's arguments though...I have strong opinions where my Xander is concerned. :-)"
Darn - I forgot what argument I made that you were responding to.
"Getting back to my opinion regarding a Spike-Faith pairing....I realize it's not a realistic long term option."
Eh - who knows? Some might say they're too much alike and would likely end up literally killing each other too soon afterwards (and there would be absolutely NOTHING left of that deserted house - not even a chip of paint or a splinter of wood). But I don't know - soulless, chipless Spike might've been a better match for Faith, however I'd like to see the genuine tender side of Spike try and melt through that understandably-hardened heart of hers.
As long as whoever is paired with Spike treats him well, I really wouldn't care too much who she is - but I WOULD prefer it be MOI. ;-)
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:03:17 GMT -5
(This is an historic post.)
I have applied for the position of laundress/janitor and been accepted. I have also been awarded the post of ombulgsman, which involves taking a lively interest in the general focus of everyone's attention.
Just caught up with the posts, having watched new ep twice (for the Spike moments and the Buffy dithering about semi-abusive ways of relating to one's paramour and obviously scarcely aware of Amanda at all but rather talking about herself and Spike and being singularly--and increasingly-- unconvincing about the overness of B/S).
And I must say, ME totally fooled me. I thought the Dawn the (potential) Vampire Slayer development was real and even dully confirmatory of predictions in fan discussions back in Lessons and even before that, now that I think of it: in the interregnum before seasons when talk of this perhaps being the final season of BtVS started circulating. I didn't much like it, but I believed it. And the potential slayer on whom Willow had cast the spell was s'posed to have a glowing aura. Didn't see anything like that attached to Amanda--even with two viewings. Am I right to conclude that the only thing that clued Dawn into the fact that the potential slayer was Amanda, not her, was that the Bringers went after Amanda? I didn't see anything else that would make her come to that conclusion. Is there something I missed that indicated the actual situation, and would have tipped Dawn off to it? So far, having seen the most of Amanda, I like her the best of the potential slayers we've met so far.
Also liked the way Spike stood around quizically, not arguing, all the times when Buffy used him as a case in point of Evil Monster for the benefit of the SITs. And it's perfectly clear that Buffy has no least clue that her "the animal inside is always the same" line might hurt his feelings. It's also perfectly clear that she doesn't regard him at all that way now, if indeed she ever did. In fact, her behavior (the Spike shirt-lifting; the comment that his crypt was 'cosy') prompted more than one of the SITs to infer a present relationship, not just the past one they've clearly been told something about.
Innnnnteresting!
I wondered, in a p1 post, about the neat typo word "relardless." I think that refers to regaining weight after dieting. And if it doesn't, it ought to.
Now I gotta see who's added a post while I was composing this one.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:04:29 GMT -5
I don't see parallels in Sanguine's analysis of Andrew and Spike I see contrasts. Altho Spike is forced into a pseudo-geek role by circumstance, its outward manifestations (torture by clothing), and treatment by the Scoobies (impotence jokes)is humiliating to him. Something it could only be if it was counter to what he feels is his true nature.
I think for Andrew Spike is the epitome of *cool*. Since Spike is evil, *evil is cool*. Andrew, the ultimate geek, sees everything thru a cloud of active fantasy populated by heros, villans and cool superpeople. He goes where the cool charater of the moment leads whether it's evil-Warren or hero-Buffy.Andrew has no core. He's a cardboard cut out. Evil or good,Spike is flesh and solid thru.
The 4th season is Spike's transitional season.When he has no other choice Spike uses what's available to him to survive. That could be called *talking the talk*.He does play both sides of the street until his exposure to Buffy and the Scoobs starts to bring out the flaw in his vampire nature. Against his will, the germ of good he's had in him since he was turned starts to infect his unlife. In Tabula Rasa he's still a warrior (despite the suit), but his vampire nature never causes an evil impulse.Whatever Spike is, was, or has been he hasn't been a geek since he was William.
I also don't think Spike is seeking redemption. I think he feels that, considering his history, that's too much to ask. The best he can do is *be* a better man and let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:05:26 GMT -5
He's apparently off collecting another SIT in Hong Kong.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:06:29 GMT -5
"let the chips fall where they may."
Excellent punnage!
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:07:51 GMT -5
I liked this ep. I like Buffy as Slayer- Trainer in residence. It's a good role for her to grow into. It also creates a way she could check in from time to time in Season 8, even maintain a *Honey, I'm home.* relationship with Spike.
I felt really sorry for Dawn being so left out both at the beginning and the end. Especially after sge fought a pretty good fight against the vamp. I have to believe the glowing green keyness is still in her somewhere and will givwe her a role when its least expected.
Loved the remark about Andrew picking up the flavor of evil like a mushroom.
Spike as amused teacher was good. Buffy sitting on his stomach and having feelings about it, even better. There was something very compelling about the two of them shutting the doors of the vamp lair together. It implied a real working partnership. I'd love to see a give and take strategy session between the two of them.
And where is Spike sleeping,hmmm?
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:09:13 GMT -5
Relarding is what I did during my Xmas vacation. I need to become seriously relardless.
Interrergnum. Had to get into the 14lb doorstop dictionary on that one. Excellent. Will add it to my vocabulary forthwith and drop it into casual conversation at work. *I think I'll take my interregnum now.*
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:10:48 GMT -5
Hey now....Xander was great tonight. Nicky can be breathtaking when he's given good dramatic material. His curse is his gift for comedy; the writers lean on him so much for humor. The appearances of sincere, serious Xander are more limited than they should be. I also enjoyed mature interaction between Buffy and Spike. They respect and enjoy one another's company; I'd say he, for the first time, is offically a member of the complete Scooby Gang, without all the complications that his lack of soulfulness presented.
It's a positive step. Enough kicking around Spike already...notice that Willow's turmoil and self loathing has resulted in little or no physical torture other than when she first got back into town. Spike, on the other hand, had been beaten down repeatedly. Is it because he's a vamp and we can handle watching him in physical pain more than Willow? Interesting.....
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:12:30 GMT -5
Hey Rob
Gotta agree with you that Xander rarely gets his due but he and Dawnie really shone tonight- they just about broke my heart.
In line with that- I also think he deserves better than what he would get with Buffy ( and no I do not dislike her at all)
I want him to be with a woman who appreciates him and adores him and wants him completely and that just is not our Buffy. I mean come-on the sparks between her and Spike are setting all of the little Slayer babies hearts afire. They will probably be out trolling for their onw vampire action if she doesn't caution them to make sue they have chips,a soul and a peoty ridden history in addition to gorgeious looks and Shakespearean elocution.
By the way can I apply for the position of snarky grad student still trying to finish her paper on some indefinable Spike topic whose direction shifts every time the wind blows?
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Post by Dalton on Jun 28, 2003 17:13:47 GMT -5
ok-
I also need some help with editing- that was supposed to be poetry ridden history in additon to other ridiculous errors.
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