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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:19:29 GMT -5
Spring, I thoroughly enjoyed your episode analysis on "School Hard". Being one who has always had a great deal of difficulty in identifying underlying themes and symbolism and stuff like that there in fiction (being more of an 'I know what I like but not necessarily why' sort of person) a good analysis such as yours significantly enhances my enjoyment of the material.
For me, the biggest revelation in your analysis was the connection between Spike's "Fee Fye Foe Fum" rhyme and the feminine hygiene article that Xander had pulled out of Buffy's bag in an earlier scene. Talk about a halogen strength light bulb turning on in my head....
That scene with Xander rummaging in Buffy's bag at their table in the Bronze had always stuck in my head as a source of irritation because it involves a continuity error in the episode. The table had last been shown covered in school books when Willow and Buffy got up to dance with Xander. Then they rush from the dance floor into the alley to rescue a girl under vamp attack. Xander immediately runs back into the Bronze to find a stake for Buffy and suddenly the table is bare of everything except for Buffy's purse.
Later when Buffy and Spike meet for battle in the school hallway I always attributed Spike's rhyme to a vampire's superior sense of smell. He detected her presence through the scent of her blood but the significance of the "ripe girl blood" utterly eluded me until I read your analysis. It made me think of the warnings I'd always heard against women hiking or camping in bear country during *that time of the month*. Guess that warning applies to urban females venturing outside in vampire country as well. Am I such a dunce or was this a revelation for anybody else?
I need to try and train myself to approach repeated viewings of episodes with an eye towards achieving a greater understanding of content rather than just getting annoyed when I notice more minor flaws and errors. Part of the problem is the clarity of the DVD picture. The interchange between Buffy and Spike in the hallway before they engage in battle is one of my favorite scenes in Spuffydom. But the fight itself, excepting Spike's breathtaking leap into the air that Spring refers to is problematic for me because Spike's stunt double is so obvious. Why didn't they have the stunt guy's hair cut the same length at least? But I digress.
Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed your analysis and that I will be looking forward to further revelations in your future contributions.
deborah cohen
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:21:37 GMT -5
As I remember from the episode itself, the 'point' was just the folds of the jeans as he moved. Maybe the jeans were new enough to still have the stiffness of new material. They look new.
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A Question:
After "Something Blue", which must have been shocking to the audience seeing it in the 4th season, was the next time Spike kissed Buffy in "Out of My Mind"? From the 65th episode to the 82nd episode. A long dry spell. I am glad I started watching in the 6th season when we got Spuffy in nearly every episode.
I'd like to hear the reactions of those who were watching Buffy on a regular basis before season 4 and what they though when they saw Buffy and Spike together romantically. Was the reaction, "It's about time!" or was the reaction, "Ewwww"?
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:23:17 GMT -5
Deborah: I got the scene through KaZaA which is sort of like Napster only it includes video and images as well as the usual music. So, basically you have to download the KaZaA program from their website at: www.kazaa.com and then you have to install it on your computer. After this, you can search for and download the files that are being shared by the other KaZaA members who are online. A warning though, this is a long process even with my 128 kB modem, so if you are using dialup your download time will be increased. My TechoPagan talked me through the process, but it isn't very difficult and often self explanatory. If you run into problems, you can e-mail me at waterscubie@yahoo.ca though I can't guarantee that I will be able to help. If you do get onto KaZaA the file in question (waaaaay back at the beginning of the post) is called "poof" in the version I downloaded and I think I saw other people with the file called "Spike insulting Angel" or something similar. Good luck to you, Watergal
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:24:13 GMT -5
I've tried for half an hour to put a picture in a post, and none of the ways I've thought of worked. When Vlad gets back from Superbowl, I'll be REALLY interested how he did it, because I haven't been able to figure it out on my own.
I tried cutting and pasting (which works for text, but not for pictures). I tried choosing the edit function from Netscape and inserting the picture (it came, but wouldn't publish, probably because it's not my board: i.e., I don't have rights to it). I tried putting the picture in a box and then copying/inserting the whole box, etc., et al. Nothing worked...and yet I have the evidence of Vlad's post proving that there IS a way to do it that I haven't hit on yet.
Being one accustomed to bullying computers into doing my will, I will be happy to sit at Vlad's feet and learn the trick of this when the opportunity arises.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:24:49 GMT -5
I've picked up the alternate identity of scubienan@yahoo.com. Of course I've listed my regular e-mail address in my profile, so anyone can reach me that way too.
May I suggest that we all take some e-mail alias or other, and that a secret S'cubie page that only we know the URL of (explaining: it would be part of the web page but not connected to anything else by a link--you'd have to know the URL to get there), list everybody by their listname here on ScoopMe and add that new e-mail address? That way, we could fling out a private post to each other if for some reason we want to.
What think ye?
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:25:48 GMT -5
Please give me a hint on how to pick up the yahoo address for myself. Or - spell it out for me with simple directions. Many thanks in advance.
I'll let others answer about the concealed scubie site. If everyone has a scubie alias on some system, is a secret web site needed? Confused. I don't really want to represent this forum as a secret group as people read these posts. This is about having a good time and sharing ideas and observations about Spike and BtVS. The supplementary web site is to provide a more permanent archive for our creations but is also public and for the benefit of those who enjoy Spike.
Calling the topic area the 'Soulful Spike Society' is not designed to make anyone feel excluded, I hope. My premise is the more the merrier. I'm happy to see new names appear like Claire and Shannon and Louise and Spike Luva. Lee and Vlad post and we even get Robert occasionally. I'd love to hear from more people because I'm sure they have interesting things to say. Spike Luva's request for pics got us a new dimension - pics showing on our topic area instead of mere URLs. As we have said before, new blood is always welcome.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:26:43 GMT -5
Alexandra: Getting a yahoo address is really the easiest thing to do. Simply go to www.mail.yahoo.com and click on Sign Up Now . That will send you to a page where you will be asked for some personal info and the address you would like. Provided it isn't taken, you are off to the races. Easy as pie. Once you are in, you can change the name you want others to see (i.e. you use your real (maybe) name to create the account and then you click on the Mail tab on the upper left corner and get a drop down menu. There you can chose Options and the first line under there will be to chose the Outgoing name (Like Alexandra K. if you prefer not to spread the last name around.)) I personally created this e-mail for use on ScoopMe! and the S'cubies site, so I would have no trouble seeing it posted there. Watergal Edited By Watergal =^..^= at 1/26/2003 10:24:00 PM.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:27:19 GMT -5
Thanks to all who expressed their enjoyment of my analysis. It does my heart good and is encouraging as far as trying my hand at another. I have to decide whether to try to just do the "major Spike episodes" or try to do "any episode with Spike in it" in order, starting with SchoolHard . . .
And I do want to try to do each new episode, though we don't have many left of those.
It may all be too ambitious but I really enjoy it so I will try to crank out as many as I can.
I took time off last week, but it's back to work Monday where things should be nice and piled up!! Ugh.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:27:57 GMT -5
Just wanted to say,
Vlad, you rule! That pic thing is pretty impressive. I wonder what the board editors think about it though. Do pics take up a lot of space? Do boards take space? Is there an actual computer/server thing out there somewhere running this whole thing? If so, are we chewing up valuable drive space with these endless posts? Do boards even exist in a physical sense or is this all some sort of voodoo wicka majik? Are the S'cubies just some figment of my imagination that are induced by a mystical orb? Or am I merely in some mental institution somewhere dreaming about this whole thing?
AAAAArrrrrrrgh! Too much thinking, too little sleeeeeep.
Did any of this make any sense?
I swear that when this post started I had only one thing to say: That pic thing was cool.
Watergal who is going to get some sleep now before she goes completely off the deep end.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:30:16 GMT -5
Alexandra K- you wrote I'd like to hear the reactions of those who were watching Buffy on a regular basis before season 4 and what they though when they saw Buffy and Spike together romantically. Was the reaction, "It's about time!" or was the reaction, "Ewwww
I had been watching sporadically (taping for my now grown son) since the last part of season 2. I was pretty heavily invested in the Angel Buffy relationship to the extent that I thought about the show at all.
Both my daughter and I liked Spike a lot and wondered idly when Buffy would get around to killing him.
I thought I sensed "something" in Season 3 when Buffy declared that Spike was the only person (other than herself) that she could not fool about her overpowering feelings for Angel.
I was disaappointed in season 4 when they aired the Blue episode b/c I thought that was the coda to any chance of a relationship between Buffy and Spike. I figured if they played it for laughs it was b/c they would not entertain the notion.
I was as stunned when they actually developed first a touching friendship and then became lovers. It was very craftily done with a huge sensitivity toward those of us who had warm cuddly feeling for the Buffy/Angel alliance.
I only wish they would handle the Kennedy/Willow relationship as gently. That girl (Kennedy) is kind of giving me the creeps. As the critic on TV w/O pity said she needs to "get some boundaries. That sort of behavior will turn off any sane person she is likely to encounter"
ellie jason
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:31:14 GMT -5
I want to read Spring's essay too- What does one have to do to get into geocities?
I have no technopagan faculties and heretofore have limited my research to actual books and libraries so those of you who are more compu-literate BE kind-" Reveal the secrets" -"yield" noncomplainingly.
Oh yes- They are repeating Help this week- ,let's see what kind of forshadwong they have vis a vis the new slayer baby.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:31:51 GMT -5
Go to Yahoo (yahoo.com). Choose to become a member (even if you're already a member). Sign in with the name you choose to use (I chose scubienan) and choose a password (must be at least 6 characters). Fill in some basic information about yourself (you can lie, if you're shy) including your alternate/main e-mail address. You are creating a user profile for this new identity.
Once you have a login and password (you may have to wait for a confirming post to your "real" e-mail address), you can, if you choose, customize "My Yahoo," including on the page the items you're interested in. I have My Yahoo as my home page and get news of various sorts that I like whenever I boot up my computer. You choose a home page through Preferences (on the Edit button on Netscape; I'll check where Preferences lives on Internet Explorer).
One of the things you can do, once you're a member with a login and a password, is check mail. You will see only the mail sent to your chosen login "name" unless you opt to access other mail through Yahoo. If you want to do that, the Mail program will walk you through the process.
You can have as many e-mail addresses as you like. I have several I'm entitled to that I never use (too confusing to check them all!)
And the "secret" page is only out of consideration for those folk who chose not to list their "real" e-mail address in their ScoopMe profile; I can't send you e-mail if I don't have any e-mail address for you! That way, all "members of Van Helsing U," original or added, could access the e-mail addresses of all the other members without
a) making that information available to the general public
b) interfering or in any way changing the way they get e-mail now.
Vlad would be the cut-out. I'd send my new e-mail address to Vlad, and he could list it on the "secret" page without having to say anything about it on ScoopMe--in public, as it were.
I've always been one to leave my real name and my real e-mail address hanging out in space for anyone to see, just as I'm listed in the Cincinnati phone book. If somebody wants to reach me, they don't have to look hard. I've done this for years and years without any bad effect except a lot of annoying spam. However, I know that others like to keep what they regard as personal information private, and whatever method we use to contact one another off-board would have to take account of this preference.
A web page not visibly connected to anything, but accessible to those who had its URL, would seem to be one way to accomplish this; however, if other ways appeal, I'm amenable. As I said in another context, the general rule I go by is those without scruples about something should defer to those who DO have scruples (or discomfort, hesitation, unwillingness, etc.).
I'll go and check how Microsoft Internet Explorer lets you choose your home page and put in an addendum to this already rather long post.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:32:25 GMT -5
Ellie, the URL (or Internet address) is: www.geocities.com/scubiefan/If you type that into the window of your browser, you'll be there. Simple as pie. No, wait--I've made pie, and it ain't simple. I'll choose another cliche: easy as falling off a log. Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jun 30, 2003 17:33:09 GMT -5
I checked, and for those who have Microsoft Internet Explorer, one chooses a home page via the Tools menu, then Internet Options. This is not necessary to signing up with Yahoo for a new identity (login+password) to as to receive mail there. I thought it just might be handy to know, for anybody who basically has lived with whatever came on when they first turned their computer on and don't know how to change it.
Nan Dibble
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Post by Dalton on Jul 1, 2003 10:09:31 GMT -5
*chuckles* Nan, I swear that you have the mind of an espionage agent. I'm the "cut-out"? *laughing* Where's the dead-drop? How about a covert handoff. Do we get to learn how to kill a man in ten seconds with a mere snarky phrase?
Okay, just kidding.
As far as a concealed scubie site? I have to agree with Alex. This whole board and the new web site was started to help people be more inclusive. It was hopefully a technique for some who stopped in and kinda liked what they saw to have a way to catch up on some of the "inside" stuff. It is also a way to make the better creations more accesible to everyone, instead of having to pore thru what is now numbering into the thousands of past posts.
*Laughing, because since starting the web site, he has been trudging thru soooo many of those old posts again and again.*
It is also a place for larger, more complex items that people are interested in seeing or creating to be placed, such as Spring's fantastic Spike-centric analysis of episodes. (Please, Spring, keep doing them. In a way, I think it would be the heart and soul of the page. A truly featured item.)
Now, as far as S'cubie email addys, I think that's great, A fairly private way to contact each "charter member" of the Soulful Spike Society. It's not like they have to be hidden. I actually would reccomend posting them on the website for each other to email each other concerning more private matters that don't neccesarily pertain to Spike or even BTVS. Since they are created anonymously, it's not like you have to worry about them being used against you. My biggest fear, is that as soon as we start the private emailing, the site postings will drop. I, like Alex, do not want that to happen. I want the S3 to grow and grow. I see the emails as being amixed bag affair, but I think that the good outweighs the negative.
Anyway, this is merely the opinion of the TechnoPagan. If the overwhelming vote is to have a secret sub-site, a secret way to message, and hell, a secret handshake, then I will do my best to asssist in their creation. I just would like to utter the word "caution" because all that we do has ramifications. We want the site to grow and be inclusive, and secrecy is an exclusive action.
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