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Post by Queen E on Jan 14, 2005 20:50:43 GMT -5
Hi, madame delurker. Here's my guess: He's supposed to be Elizabeth Hurley's brother? He's got a vomiting problem?
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Post by Karen on Jan 14, 2005 22:13:03 GMT -5
He's got a vomiting problem? HE's the hurley, gurley man? ETA: I think that's hurdy gurdy.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jan 14, 2005 22:35:18 GMT -5
He's got a vomiting problem? When forced to eat raw sea urchin... Maybe he hurls cabers? No, they get tossed. Shot puts?
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Post by Linda on Jan 15, 2005 6:43:10 GMT -5
On your initial statement, this is an opinion, is it not? I'm not arguing that you or others don't see it that way - nor am I either infringing upon your right to believe it or it's validity. My position approaches the question from a standpoint of evil is evil regardless of the label. Without arguing validity in opposition to any other worldview, it is simply another worldview. Thus consenting to one evil act is equal to consenting with another evil act no matter what label one places on the act. Logically at this point arises our empasse. And rather than argue that one is superior to the other, which is not my place, I merely say that it is another view and equally as valid and leave it there. It is neither an assault, an accusation, or necessarily reason for argument. It is just a logical derivative of the worldview with implications different from your own. I didn't think I'd be able to get my brain around that distinction this morning without causing a stir. But there it is. Yes, that's my opinion and worldview. I appreciate your posting this. It really helps to delineate which topics will end at an impasse. And I apologize if my post made you feel uncomfortable. It was not at all my intention. Linda, Aloha S'cubie P.S. Oh, and FYI, one of my unshakeable opinions: Hawaii pretty. Just so's you know.
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Post by Linda on Jan 15, 2005 6:59:27 GMT -5
Ah, but therein lies a question: is manipulating someone in and of itself necessarily an evil act? Parents tell their kids about Santa Claus and then do stuff like eating the snack the kids left for him to help sell them on the notion that Santa Claus is real. So in essence, they've manipulated their children into believing a lie. Was that an evil thing to do? An illusionist like David Copperfield manipulates people every time he performs, playing with their perceptions and expectations. Is he evil? (Granted, the answer to that question also depends on what you think of his hair and musical selections) <snipped for space> So I tend to feel that nothing happens in a vacuum, and thus can be categorized as purely one thing or another; to me, the more you know about a person or their actions, the more things can slide from black and white into shades of gray. Delicious ambiguity, as my sig line says. Eetah. I, too, tend to see shades of gray. Thanks for writing this. Linda, and I vote for David Copperfield's hair being evil.
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Post by Nickim on Jan 15, 2005 8:57:09 GMT -5
Lola you give "great review." Really an awesome job.
I don't have much to add except where you said:
I think the cop was definitely implying that Boone's concern was more than "brotherly."
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Post by Nickim on Jan 15, 2005 9:12:36 GMT -5
Awwww, thanks => happy blushy smiley Oooh, yeah, light and dark! Cool! Actually, I see light and dark in both of these instances. But the proportions are vastly different in both cases. Locke gave Charley a choice, up to a point. Two of Charley's of-his-own-free-willl-choices: giving his heroin to Locke in the first place & burning the bag when Locke finally gave back it to him. But Locke pretty much manipulated the availability of choices IMO. (And he *did* say "no" to Charley's first two asks.)But, Locke told Charley upfront that he would say no the first two times he asked for the heroin. Locke was addicted, also. Remember the phone sex girl? I'd still really like to see what the island showed Locke.[
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Post by Nickim on Jan 15, 2005 9:18:14 GMT -5
Hi Havoc! Regarding the bolded item: The one difference in the situation that I see is that in Charley's case Shannon asked for his help and in Sayid's case, he asked for hers. One of small but consistent things that has been shown about Shannon in the series is that she comes through when something is asked of her. As Sara pointed out, she came through when she needed to light the triangulation signal rocket. And, reluctantly, she also came through for the original transceiver signal translation. In Sayid's case, he needed her help and she gave it. And, most promisingly, she even came back to tell him what the scribbled words meant even after he had pissed her off. I think we'll learn that Shannon has been put down and made to feel "useless" her whole life. She's apparently been very spoiled and used to having things done for her, not by her. If you've never had to do anything for yourself to survive, then you will feel useless. A case could be made that this is her usual MO, but I just don't see the guy she was with in Sydney being the ask-for-help type. And it could acutally serve as her yin-virtue to Boone's yang-issue of always coming to her rescue. Linda, but of course this is all conjecture until we get her half of the backstory P.S. Oh, and until I know what Shannon's issues are (besides frustrated entitlement), I will hold onto the hope that she is eventually redeemable. I think we'll learn that Shannon has been put down and made to feel "useless" her whole life. She's apparently been very spoiled and used to having things done for her, not by her. If you've never had to do anything for yourself to survive, then you will feel useless. Which is why I said I'd like to see Shannon stranded alone on an desert island. She'd have to learn to take care of herself and taking of oneself is a great self-esteem booster. I didn't mean I wanted her to starve to death. The island in Lost is providing quite nicely for it's new inhabitants, but I think it's time they all started taking a little more responsibility for themselves, IMHO.
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Post by Nickim on Jan 15, 2005 9:26:33 GMT -5
I think I've got it! The writers are the evil ones! ;D One of my co-workers happened to mention that he and his wife watch "Lost". He had missed seeing the big roaring thing (BRT?) and we were trying to describe it to him. I saw a huge hopping rabbit. Kelli said she only caught a glimpse and couldn't describe it. He said that he and his wife had a theory that all of the people we've seen so far (except for Rose -as far as we know anyway) were on that plane because of something out of the norm happened to each of them that made them *have* to take that flight to LA. They were all flying for unexpected reasons. Like havoc said - Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans. Locke - was supposed to be on a walk - but they wouldn't let him go, so they bought a ticket for him to go back home. Unexpected. Michael and Walter - Walt's mom died, so he had to come to live with his dad. Unexpected. Jack - his dad died and he had to bring the body home. Etc. Kate - arrested. Claire - got pregnant accidentally,which led to her eventually going to LA. Incidentally, if she had listened to the palm reader, she would've raised her baby on her own and not left home. Charlie - going to LA because his brother left the band? Hmm. Not sure if this fits. Hurley - don't know his story yet. Boone/Shannon - Shannon's con game. Sawyer - Running from his last screwed up con? Sun and Jin. ? The pilot died because it was no accident that he was on the plane. Same as the Sheriff. It was their jobs. And as far as we know, there aren't any flight attendents. I'm sure I'm missing someone. Oh, yeah. Sayid. Hmm. Not sure why he was on the flight. Don't know what it means, but it was interesting to think about. Awesome post, Karen. I've been trying to get this thought into words for awhile now, but you did it much better than I would have.
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Post by Sara on Jan 15, 2005 13:05:03 GMT -5
Taking a lunch break and wanted to post two things while I was thinking of it. First, seeing as how my message to this effect got eaten on the main board by HWMNBN: Awesome review Lola! I really enjoyed reading it, thought you made some excellent points, and even laughed out loud a couple of times. It was so good I'll even forgive you for putting the rest of us reviewers to shame by getting it finished so quickly. And second, something occurred to me during my futile attempt at writing my Alias review last night. Since not everyone who watches Lost watches Alias, I thought you might be interested to know about a little tidbit Julia's daughter Anna picked up on. Sydney Bristow, the central character of Alias, hosted a birthday party in this week's episode--and at one point in the proceedings the music coming out of her stereo was none other than Driveshaft. Which has an interesting implication. If Sydney et al are listening to Driveshaft, that means they obviously exist as a real band in her world, making it less likely that Charlie and the other castaways are just a figment of one Lost character's imagination. Unless that character is Charlie himself... Of course, then Alias have to wonder why John Locke looks exactly like Agent Kendall...
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Post by Nickim on Jan 15, 2005 16:14:43 GMT -5
Taking a lunch break and wanted to post two things while I was thinking of it. First, seeing as how my message to this effect got eaten on the main board by HWMNBN: Awesome review Lola! I really enjoyed reading it, thought you made some excellent points, and even laughed out loud a couple of times. It was so good I'll even forgive you for putting the rest of us reviewers to shame by getting it finished so quickly. And second, something occurred to me during my futile attempt at writing my Alias review last night. Since not everyone who watches Lost watches Alias, I thought you might be interested to know about a little tidbit Julia's daughter Anna picked up on. Sydney Bristow, the central character of Alias, hosted a birthday party in this week's episode--and at one point in the proceedings the music coming out of her stereo was none other than Driveshaft. Which has an interesting implication. If Sydney et al are listening to Driveshaft, that means they obviously exist as a real band in her world, making it less likely that Charlie and the other castaways are just a figment of one Lost character's imagination. Unless that character is Charlie himself... Of course, then Alias have to wonder why John Locke looks exactly like Agent Kendall... Wow, I watched Alias, but I sure didn't catch that the music was "Charlie's band." Cool catch, Anna.
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Post by Karen on Jan 15, 2005 18:20:06 GMT -5
I think we'll learn that Shannon has been put down and made to feel "useless" her whole life. She's apparently been very spoiled and used to having things done for her, not by her. If you've never had to do anything for yourself to survive, then you will feel useless. Which is why I said I'd like to see Shannon stranded alone on an desert island. She'd have to learn to take care of herself and taking of oneself is a great self-esteem booster. I didn't mean I wanted her to starve to death. The island in Lost is providing quite nicely for it's new inhabitants, but I think it's time they all started taking a little more responsibility for themselves, IMHO. I agree that they all need to start taking a little more responsibility for their survival. Right now, a lot of them are still waiting for a rescue. How do you motivate people who think that they'll be rescued to contribute to the survival of the group in case they don't? One way is to make them fear for their lives - the big roaring thing. Another way is to make them go hungry. Hmmm. Maybe that's why Locke is no longer catching boar. Jack takes a passive role in convincing people to ban together in the caves. He gives them a choice, and of course, some choose to stay on the beach. Locke doesn't want to wait until they "have" to all move from the beach. He's striving to get a core group together. Is he preparing for some kind of 'war'? "We want him on our side." Locke is forcing people to make a decision by getting people to do what he wants them to do - and like it. Is that a mark of a good leader? In a fight for survival, do we need people to do that - no matter how they do it?
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Post by Sara on Jan 15, 2005 18:40:51 GMT -5
Wow, I watched Alias, but I sure didn't catch that the music was "Charlie's band." Cool catch, Anna. It's a very low-key thing--it was the music you could hear playing in the other room while Sydney and Jack spoke behind closed doors. It's only when Nadia opens the door to ask about the candles that you get your best chance to recognize it, and even then it's only for a few seconds; as Jack and Syd finish their conversation the incidental music takes over, so to speak.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jan 15, 2005 19:43:16 GMT -5
would you look at the numbers? I might have to start a new part for this episode! ;D
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jan 15, 2005 19:47:58 GMT -5
Taking a lunch break and wanted to post two things while I was thinking of it. First, seeing as how my message to this effect got eaten on the main board by HWMNBN: Awesome review Lola! I really enjoyed reading it, thought you made some excellent points, and even laughed out loud a couple of times. It was so good I'll even forgive you for putting the rest of us reviewers to shame by getting it finished so quickly. And second, something occurred to me during my futile attempt at writing my Alias review last night. Since not everyone who watches Lost watches Alias, I thought you might be interested to know about a little tidbit Julia's daughter Anna picked up on. Sydney Bristow, the central character of Alias, hosted a birthday party in this week's episode--and at one point in the proceedings the music coming out of her stereo was none other than Driveshaft. Which has an interesting implication. If Sydney et al are listening to Driveshaft, that means they obviously exist as a real band in her world, making it less likely that Charlie and the other castaways are just a figment of one Lost character's imagination. Unless that character is Charlie himself... Of course, then Alias have to wonder why John Locke looks exactly like Agent Kendall... OH that is just too fun! I wonder if Abrams will continue to put little crossovers into the shows?
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