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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 20, 2005 9:37:09 GMT -5
Totally agree on the piglet. Both on being too easy to catch and that they should have kept it (well, kept it and run like the dickens before mom or dad came to rip out their guts for messing with the kid) to raise. They're farming crops, they need to start raising their own meat too. **starts diagraming plans for a fish farm and wanders into the silly Gilligan's Island realm of bamboo pedal cars and coconut radios** I didn't realize the gang was farming anything - what are they farming, and who's doing it? I've wondered when the candy bars were going to run out...
Keeping the piglet would have been a good idea. Getting a couple of piglets, male and female, would be even better.
I thought this particular episode was about letting go of past mistakes and pain/anger; hence, the boar seemed to tie in with Sawyer's rage, and he released the piglet. Also, Charlie, who I love (and they better not kill him), seems to be letting go of the ptsd/killing rage.
Wonder when Clare is going to pop that baby; she's looking more and more like a ripe melon. Bets that it will tie into Jack's past, what with his father having botched the care of a woman and her unborn child and they're both dying?
GAIL , who may wander but is not lost, back for her 2500th post!
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Post by makd on Feb 20, 2005 10:35:09 GMT -5
I didn't realize the gang was farming anything - what are they farming, and who's doing it? I've wondered when the candy bars were going to run out... Keeping the piglet would have been a good idea. Getting a couple of piglets, male and female, would be even better.
I thought this particular episode was about letting go of past mistakes and pain/anger; hence, the boar seemed to tie in with Sawyer's rage, and he released the piglet. Also, Charlie, who I love (and they better not kill him), seems to be letting go of the ptsd/killing rage.
Wonder when Clare is going to pop that baby; she's looking more and more like a ripe melon. Bets that it will tie into Jack's past, what with his father having botched the care of a woman and her unborn child and they're both dying?
GAIL , who may wander but is not lost, back for her 2500th post! TEXTSun started a garden for herbs, etc. It was shown a few episodes back. Keeping the piglet wouldn't have been a good idea. They are wild boars. The mother might have attacked whoever took the baby. Charlie is, IMHO, a loose cannon.
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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 20, 2005 10:45:57 GMT -5
TEXTSun started a garden for herbs, etc. It was shown a few episodes back. Keeping the piglet wouldn't have been a good idea. They are wild boars. The mother might have attacked whoever took the baby. Charlie is, IMHO, a loose cannon. But will the herb garden feed the castaways? Herbs are usually medicinal, right? They need food, and I haven't seen where they're getting their three squares, or if they're getting three, or even two square meals a day at all...
I thought Charlie was getting over some of his "issues". He did not go crazy when Clare disappeared, he brooded, but did recover. He interacts with others and seems to be emotionally okay. But all bets would be off if Clare were definitely dead.
I think Sawyer is far more of a loose cannon than Charlie is. And I don't trust Locke, though I like him, at all - what gave him the right to drug Boone? Sun's husband (ex-Gavin) would go postal if she left him, I bet.
Would the wild boars have tracked the piglet back to the camp? It didn't seem to me that the piglet's parents were in close proximity when they found it. But then I can't remember if the piglet's parents made a return appearance after Sawyer dropped the piglet.
GAIL
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 20, 2005 18:46:19 GMT -5
I didn't realize the gang was farming anything - what are they farming, and who's doing it? I've wondered when the candy bars were going to run out...
Keeping the piglet would have been a good idea. Getting a couple of piglets, male and female, would be even better.
I thought this particular episode was about letting go of past mistakes and pain/anger; hence, the boar seemed to tie in with Sawyer's rage, and he released the piglet. Also, Charlie, who I love (and they better not kill him), seems to be letting go of the ptsd/killing rage.
Wonder when Clare is going to pop that baby; she's looking more and more like a ripe melon. Bets that it will tie into Jack's past, what with his father having botched the care of a woman and her unborn child and they're both dying?
GAIL , who may wander but is not lost, back for her 2500th post! Gail, so good to see you post!!
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 20, 2005 19:19:35 GMT -5
But will the herb garden feed the castaways? Herbs are usually medicinal, right? They need food, and I haven't seen where they're getting their three squares, or if they're getting three, or even two square meals a day at all...
I thought Charlie was getting over some of his "issues". He did not go crazy when Clare disappeared, he brooded, but did recover. He interacts with others and seems to be emotionally okay. But all bets would be off if Clare were definitely dead.
I think Sawyer is far more of a loose cannon than Charlie is. And I don't trust Locke, though I like him, at all - what gave him the right to drug Boone? Sun's husband (ex-Gavin) would go postal if she left him, I bet.
Would the wild boars have tracked the piglet back to the camp? It didn't seem to me that the piglet's parents were in close proximity when they found it. But then I can't remember if the piglet's parents made a return appearance after Sawyer dropped the piglet.
GAIL I think they're also planting seeds from fruit, but that'll take a while to produce anything. It's good to see you, Gail!
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Post by Lola m on Feb 20, 2005 21:39:54 GMT -5
I didn't realize the gang was farming anything - what are they farming, and who's doing it? I've wondered when the candy bars were going to run out...
Keeping the piglet would have been a good idea. Getting a couple of piglets, male and female, would be even better.
I thought this particular episode was about letting go of past mistakes and pain/anger; hence, the boar seemed to tie in with Sawyer's rage, and he released the piglet. Also, Charlie, who I love (and they better not kill him), seems to be letting go of the ptsd/killing rage.
Wonder when Clare is going to pop that baby; she's looking more and more like a ripe melon. Bets that it will tie into Jack's past, what with his father having botched the care of a woman and her unborn child and they're both dying?
GAIL , who may wander but is not lost, back for her 2500th post! Wooo hooo, Gail! Good to see you and good to read your interesting 2500th post! I hadn't thought about the similar elements in Jack's dad and Claire's stories. Lola
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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 20, 2005 22:44:57 GMT -5
I think they're also planting seeds from fruit, but that'll take a while to produce anything. It's good to see you, Gail! Ooh, that's Diana Rigg in your icon! What a great picture.
Gail ;D, visualizing Mrs. Peel as a grown-up Slayer...
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 31, 2005 18:53:51 GMT -5
Great opening, capsulizing things beautifully. Also liked the structure you gave the essay by “listing the outlaws,” and then how they make their contrition. Nice insights about Christian Shepard too.
And then this: “The damn boar? Well, he does not attack again, after Sawyer decides not to kill him. But otherwise, his character just becomes sorta boaring...” I would chastise you for the cheesiness, except I’d have to slap myself also, for laughing as I did.
Love and agree wholeheartedly with the Locke/Hurley comparison – very creative addition to the review and nice insights.
Porcine bagpipe? Hello to the imagery!
Nice work, Matthew. Thanks for your effort here.
(Also - good title)
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Post by Matthew on Apr 6, 2005 1:32:10 GMT -5
Great opening, capsulizing things beautifully. Also liked the structure you gave the essay by “listing the outlaws,” and then how they make their contrition. Nice insights about Christian Shepard too. And then this: “The damn boar? Well, he does not attack again, after Sawyer decides not to kill him. But otherwise, his character just becomes sorta boaring...” I would chastise you for the cheesiness, except I’d have to slap myself also, for laughing as I did. Love and agree wholeheartedly with the Locke/Hurley comparison – very creative addition to the review and nice insights. Porcine bagpipe? Hello to the imagery! Nice work, Matthew. Thanks for your effort here. (Also - good title) Thanks, Spring. I've done reviews of books and movies before, but it's been years: it's good to know that my writing is at least entertaining, even for its cheesiness. I picked this ep because I LIKE Sawyer, despite his bastardly behavior: and I see the seeds of greatness and true redemption in him. And the scene with Christian Shepard? Truly gave me chills. The shamanic element I've been watching all along: Locke and Hurley are the ones that seem to know how to stir the hearts and soothe the spirits of those on the island.
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Post by Techno-bot on Apr 6, 2005 18:46:48 GMT -5
Matthew, I think I neglected to post to tell you how much I enjoyed your review of Outlaws - you did a great job and I thank you so much!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 8, 2005 12:15:37 GMT -5
Most excellent review, Matthew! I liked the various definitions and descriptions of what an outlaw is – it really helps us see how our various characters are fitting into the theme of this episode. Well, and frankly, some of the themes of the whole season. Do you put your own interests above those of the others in the group or work together? Do you stray beyond the limits of society and which society is that? The one left behind or the new one being created on the island? What kind of “society” will our crash survivors build? Will they, as you said so well, reconnect with others, be true to the other as well as to the self? Your explanations of how Sawyer, Kate, Charlie, and Sayid fit this outlaw definition and theme were great, but I particularly liked your view of the different roles or metaphors for the boar. I had thought of some of these (representing Duckett and our Sawyer’s father) and how you tied it all together with the “it’ll come back around” line of Duckett. I would argue that in some ways, the boar also represented our Sawyer on the island – charging around on his own, hurting himself and other in the process sometimes, wild and fierce, but with perhaps for reasons not immediately apparent (protecting the piglets or childhood issues). But I hadn’t thought of the boar representing/recreating the way that that the original Sawyer destroyed young Sawyer’s life. And, I hadn’t really thought of the boar as one of the outlaws himself. Very neat analogies! (Not at all boaring. ;D ) Particularly in how you circled back with each of the characters to talk about how they each are reconnecting, “rejoining civilization”. Eetah and applause for your Locke – Hurley comparison. You used perfect examples to illustrate their different styles – individual versus group, story or parable versus “just say it”. IMHO, each style and character is useful and needed, the survivors all need to realize this and help each person bring the best of themselves to the group. Eetah also on finding Daddy Shepard’s speech to be both moving and chilling. Lola You see the possibilities of Sayid/Sawyer, eh? So, it’s not just me!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 1, 2006 6:59:23 GMT -5
AIEE, that's gonna traumatize him for life.
A boar?
The Whispers
Sayid. HEE!! Perhaps he wanted to go camping.
I didn't hear anything.
I'm forgetting the rest of Sawyers backstory and where this bit fits in
We both know you ain't the killing type
Looking for the real Sawyer.
Why Sawyer was on the plane.
I only made out with him because torturing didn't work.
I just don't want you to owe him anything.
So Claire's memories are coming back. Good.
Love how mad Sawyer is. Hee.
Sawyer's now the laughing stock of the camp. Hee.
You're going to get yourself lost or worse.
Revenge.
Should you find you're not a killer, there's no refund.
Hurley about Ethan rising from the dead. Hee.
Did you ever get that Gulf War Syndrome. That was the other side. HEE!!!!
PTSD
Carte Blanche. Clever Kate.
Jack was looking for the liquor cart. Good thing I found it first, then?
I Never. Hee!
Kate's never heard of it because she never went to college. Sawyer didn't and he knows I Never.
Kate's never been to Disneyland.
Sawyer's never voted.
Sawyer's never been in love, but Kate has.
Sawyer wore pink in the 80s, Hee.
Kate's been married.
Both Kate and Sawyer have killed.
Locke had a sister Jeannie who died young, Locke had a foster mother.
So you're saying the dog was your sister? Now that would be silly. Hee.
How does Locke know this about Sawyer?
Sweet shrimp?
Locke's from Tennessee
So he didn't kill him.
Sawyer drank with Jack's dad
You know why they call Australia Down Under, don't you? Because it's as close as you can get to Hell without being burned.
It's fate. Some people are just meant to suffer.
He's not like me. He does what's in his heart.
Gratitude and pride.
One simple phone call and I could fix everything. Why don't you? Because I am weak.
This business that you have, will it ease your suffering?
Maybe listening to drunk Jack's dad wasn't the best idea.
This is just like that scene in Castaway. Except Charlie's doing it right.
You're not alone. Don't pretend to be.
I take comfort that someday all this will be a shopping mall. Hee.
What a cute piggy!!! But seriously, don't touch the babies or the mom's going to get *real* mad.
Parents and children
Find your own way home.
So he did kill him after all. But he was set up, Jeez. Just add to the self loathing, why don't you? Also, Sawyer, do your homework a little more carefully.
It'll come back around. Those were the whispers.
So Kate didn't actually leave him.
Showing mercy.
Looks like the Raft is coming along. But I thought Shannon was helping.
Aw, sweet.
Giving the gun back.
Just kiss already.
Now Sawyer knows that he was talking to Jack's father. But doesn't tell Jack that.
Little steps towards behaving like a decent human being. It'll take time.
Outlaws, and the law of the jungle.
It's about dealing with trauma
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 1, 2006 7:25:04 GMT -5
Love the shrimp, pawn--> prawn, and so on punning. #rofl1#
Also all this discussion about the "proper" way to do a killing. #rofl1#
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