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Post by Pixi on Sept 22, 2005 6:58:58 GMT -5
I have a very so-so reaction to this premiere. It was OK. Not exactly filled with a "can't wait for next week!" feeling. Crazy French Lady, now Crazy . . . what?. . . English? Australian? I didn't pay a lot of attention to the accent . . guy. There are so many characters to keep track of, already. I know we lost Boone, but we gotta gain this guy? And he seems unrelated to the "others" who kidnapped Walt, but who knows. And I am perilously close to adding "who cares?" I must admit I was a little meh too. Probably because I am soooooooo uninterested in Jack's backstory. I almost, almost started fast-forwarding through bride on the bed scenes. And the insertion of running up the stadium stair dude as the mysterious hatch guy left me going whahuh?
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Post by Karen on Sept 22, 2005 7:00:25 GMT -5
How long would Jack have lasted as a doctor if he was as unprofessional with all patients as he was with Sarah?
I wonder if Sarah lost her mobility after she married Jack, and their marriage fell apart?
Serious weirdness at the end of the episode.
And is poor little Walt dead, since Shannon saw him?
GAIL How was he unprofessional with Sara? (sp is same as the Planetary Voice of Reason's) I thought he was rather crappy with her, at first, in the lousy bedside manner, but not so much with the unprofessional. Unprofessional, in that he got emotionally involved with her. It was unclear to me if he was acquainted with her previously - I didn't think he was, and it was strange to me that he was so emotional with her. Or, maybe it was the guilt from chosing to work on her when the guy in the SUV was closer to dying?
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Post by Karen on Sept 22, 2005 7:02:37 GMT -5
I have a very so-so reaction to this premiere. It was OK. Not exactly filled with a "can't wait for next week!" feeling. Crazy French Lady, now Crazy . . . what?. . . English? Australian? I didn't pay a lot of attention to the accent . . guy. There are so many characters to keep track of, already. I know we lost Boone, but we gotta gain this guy? And he seems unrelated to the "others" who kidnapped Walt, but who knows. And I am perilously close to adding "who cares?" Wow, someone was cranky this evening. Seriously, I understand your frustration. "Lost" just continues to answer questions with more questions. Such methods can get old after a while, no matter how brilliantly they're done. Still, I have to admit: I'm sucked in again. Can't wait to see more next week, if only to find out what happened to the rafting crew.Yeah! No shirtless Sawyer this week!! *pouts* Karen, 16.
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Post by Karen on Sept 22, 2005 7:06:46 GMT -5
I have a very so-so reaction to this premiere. It was OK. Not exactly filled with a "can't wait for next week!" feeling. Crazy French Lady, now Crazy . . . what?. . . English? Australian? I didn't pay a lot of attention to the accent . . guy. There are so many characters to keep track of, already. I know we lost Boone, but we gotta gain this guy? And he seems unrelated to the "others" who kidnapped Walt, but who knows. And I am perilously close to adding "who cares?" I must admit I was a little meh too. Probably because I am soooooooo uninterested in Jack's backstory. I almost, almost started fast-forwarding through bride on the bed scenes. And the insertion of running up the stadium stair dude as the mysterious hatch guy left me going whahuh? The way he kept calling Jack - 'brother' was a little weird. And his comment about 'miracles' - and then one happened. I don't know what to make of any of it. Liked the Mamas and the Papas song, except that it seems to screw up the timeline. Just how long ago did Jack and 'Desmond, was it?' meet, and how long has he been on that island? I need to rewatch that scene in the stadium. There was a name for the exercise they were doing - running the stairs. (ETA - 'tour de stade' - thanks, Matthew!) It's like a puzzle before you figure out which pieces fit together. I get frustrated if I don't start to see the picture in the puzzle soon.
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Post by Pixi on Sept 22, 2005 7:08:25 GMT -5
“Kind of unlike you, the whole “glass half full, thing” “There’s a glass?” Kate wants you, Jack. But she’s leaving to go die with Locke. “Live together, die alone” Where is that from? Huh, she had another fiancée. At the time.. He’s gonna run away. Oh, for christ’s sake…. She’s better off without him. This is a case where his blunt bedside manner is useful. Little secret? She’s going to bite his face.. No, she’s excusing him. That must be what drives him on. “I’m gonna fix you” Shepard doesn’t usually make promises like that. I wonder if this is the “1,2,3.4,5” surgery he mentions in the first episode.. Oh, how sweet, he was waiting for her! Yes, he wants you to go down first. That way you die. “Yeah, well, that too” On the “see if I get eaten” “stop” Are those jungle lianas they are using? That’s a silly thing to use for rope.. No, it was the pinion.-point that gives.. oh, it’s the wire from the plane? .. DANG, woman screams like Willow. “Well, okay, then.. And she’s doing the counting thing.. “John, I think there;s something down…..” Light switches on with a bang? Switches off with a bang? And evaporates Kate without a sound. OWIE on the hand.. yeech!! I liked the Locke/Kate lines there too and also the Hurley line about the Because I was waving my hands and yelling at you to stop line. I didn't like Jack's reaction to Hurley's story much.
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Post by Karen on Sept 22, 2005 7:10:51 GMT -5
“Joke, dude” “Really? Like usually you’re Mr. Haha. “ “and occasionally somebody blows up all over you, but you get to sleep in in the morning..” Well, Hurley’s telling the numbers story. Hurley’s lost weight. “Well, actually, meteorite” Locke would be pleased.. “You were in a psych ward?” “Yours sucks, dude” He’s not wrong.. This exchange made me hate Jack a little. Anyone notice how both men - science and faith - chose to ignore and/or discount Hurley? Idiots. I don't think Jack believed Hurley's story about the lottery either. Even after Kate discovered the 'quarantine' label on (under?) the hatch cover, they still discounted Hurley's warning. Oh - and it makes a whole lot of sense to actually go down into a shaft that is clearly marked 'quarantined'. Interesting facts about 'stade'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stade
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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 22, 2005 7:55:34 GMT -5
How was he unprofessional with Sara? (sp is same as the Planetary Voice of Reason's) I thought he was rather crappy with her, at first, in the lousy bedside manner, but not so much with the unprofessional. First he tells this patient that there's no chance at all she'll ever regain more than limited mobility; which I don't think is something a doctor would do when the patient has just been through an accident, they'd tell them what the problem is and say they need to do surgery, and they'll know more after the surgery - I can't see any doc being so definite at that point. Then, when the patient wakes up after surgery, her surgeon has been waiting around for her to be coherent enough to communicate properly? Waking up from anesthesia occurs over a long while; when one first awakens, one is groggy and disoriented. It looked like Jack had been hanging around waiting for Sarah to awaiken, which no surgeon would do.
But worst of all was Jack telling this poor woman who was supposedly paralyzed that he'd been running and had hurt his ankle, and then saying how sorry he was that he hadn't helped her - with tears in his eyes. That's bound to make a frightened patient feel worse. If I were facing paralysis, I would be horrified if my doctor were babbling about running and hurting his ankle, and was practically crying at me - I'd want sympathy, but not tears from him...And I don't think tears, red eyes, obvious signs of deep distress are considered part of the professional behavior expected from a doctor talking to his patient about her condition.
8-)GAIL I agree Jack was unprofessional with his patient. He was plainly getting WAY too personally involved - which we know is going to play out, since the two are going to get married.
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Post by Karen on Sept 22, 2005 8:13:39 GMT -5
How was he unprofessional with Sara? (sp is same as the Planetary Voice of Reason's) I thought he was rather crappy with her, at first, in the lousy bedside manner, but not so much with the unprofessional. First he tells this patient that there's no chance at all she'll ever regain more than limited mobility; which I don't think is something a doctor would do when the patient has just been through an accident, they'd tell them what the problem is and say they need to do surgery, and they'll know more after the surgery - I can't see any doc being so definite at that point. Then, when the patient wakes up after surgery, her surgeon has been waiting around for her to be coherent enough to communicate properly? Waking up from anesthesia occurs over a long while; when one first awakens, one is groggy and disoriented. It looked like Jack had been hanging around waiting for Sarah to awaiken, which no surgeon would do.
But worst of all was Jack telling this poor woman who was supposedly paralyzed that he'd been running and had hurt his ankle, and then saying how sorry he was that he hadn't helped her - with tears in his eyes. That's bound to make a frightened patient feel worse. If I were facing paralysis, I would be horrified if my doctor were babbling about running and hurting his ankle, and was practically crying at me - I'd want sympathy, but not tears from him...And I don't think tears, red eyes, obvious signs of deep distress are considered part of the professional behavior expected from a doctor talking to his patient about her condition.
8-)GAIL Oh, wow. Never thought about how insensitive it was of Jack to be telling his patient that he'd been running while she's lying there presumbably paralyzed. Any thoughts on why the Sara kept telling him that he 'stinks'?
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Post by Jan on Sept 22, 2005 8:15:22 GMT -5
How was he unprofessional with Sara? (sp is same as the Planetary Voice of Reason's) I thought he was rather crappy with her, at first, in the lousy bedside manner, but not so much with the unprofessional. Unprofessional, in that he got emotionally involved with her. It was unclear to me if he was acquainted with her previously - I didn't think he was, and it was strange to me that he was so emotional with her. Or, maybe it was the guilt from chosing to work on her when the guy in the SUV was closer to dying?That's what I thought. And after telling her he would "fix her" --which was spelled out as being against his pattern--knowing he had failed. Plus it didn't hurt that she was a hottie with a loving and forgiving personality. And funny. And the she IS fixed. And he's very young. Definitely overinvolved, but the reasons all seem to be there. I think what they chose to show in the recap was important, one of those things being his dad putting him down for trying to do something good and failing. Jack having an alcoholic dad also speaks to his lack of hope and the bedside manner that doesn't include hope, and his need to control outcomes. I guess I'm one of the only ones who didn't feel disappointed in the show. I was right there with them all the way. I want to know what happened to the Three Men in a Boat (ok, on a raft), and why the island was quarantined from those in the hatch, and about the shrine and the magnet and the computer and about the Others and why they knew about and wanted Walt. I'm psyched.
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Post by Lurk on Sept 22, 2005 8:16:24 GMT -5
This exchange made me hate Jack a little. Anyone notice how both men - science and faith - chose to ignore and/or discount Hurley? Idiots. I don't think Jack believed Hurley's story about the lottery either. Even after Kate discovered the 'quarantine' label on (under?) the hatch cover, they still discounted Hurley's warning. Oh - and it makes a whole lot of sense to actually go down into a shaft that is clearly marked 'quarantined'. Interesting facts about 'stade'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StadeI don't think the 'stade' has anything to do with the city name. I think it's actually Tour de Stad(ium) ... as in tour the stadium because the point of the "game" is to run up and down every staircase in the stadium, making a full circuit tour of the stadium.
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Post by Pixi on Sept 22, 2005 8:20:23 GMT -5
First he tells this patient that there's no chance at all she'll ever regain more than limited mobility; which I don't think is something a doctor would do when the patient has just been through an accident, they'd tell them what the problem is and say they need to do surgery, and they'll know more after the surgery - I can't see any doc being so definite at that point. Then, when the patient wakes up after surgery, her surgeon has been waiting around for her to be coherent enough to communicate properly? Waking up from anesthesia occurs over a long while; when one first awakens, one is groggy and disoriented. It looked like Jack had been hanging around waiting for Sarah to awaiken, which no surgeon would do.
But worst of all was Jack telling this poor woman who was supposedly paralyzed that he'd been running and had hurt his ankle, and then saying how sorry he was that he hadn't helped her - with tears in his eyes. That's bound to make a frightened patient feel worse. If I were facing paralysis, I would be horrified if my doctor were babbling about running and hurting his ankle, and was practically crying at me - I'd want sympathy, but not tears from him...And I don't think tears, red eyes, obvious signs of deep distress are considered part of the professional behavior expected from a doctor talking to his patient about her condition.
8-)GAIL I agree Jack was unprofessional with his patient. He was plainly getting WAY too personally involved - which we know is going to play out, since the two are going to get married. Honestly, as a paralegal who handles medical malpractice cases on a daily basis, all I could think of during the ER scene was how soon will the relatives of that other patient be calling attorneys? Jack's behavior was terrible. And honestly - completely unrealistic. Doctor's are so aware of malpractice these days that they are very careful what they say to patients. If they don't want to be sued that is.
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Post by Sara on Sept 22, 2005 8:33:29 GMT -5
I agree Jack was unprofessional with his patient. He was plainly getting WAY too personally involved - which we know is going to play out, since the two are going to get married. Honestly, as a paralegal who handles medical malpractice cases on a daily basis, all I could think of during the ER scene was how soon will the relatives of that other patient be calling attorneys? Jack's behavior was terrible. And honestly - completely unrealistic. Doctor's are so aware of malpractice these days that they are very careful what they say to patients. If they don't want to be sued that is. Doctors may be particularly careful these days, but what we saw most likely took place some years ago; Jack's hair says "early 90s" to me, and I imagine it would have taken a solid 6-12 months of physical therapy for Sara to be fully mobile again--enough to dance at her wedding, anyway. Jack's early bedside manner was pretty crappy--which I imagine was kind of the point of showing it. It seemed to me that what we saw happened very early in Jack's medical career--his "what did I do wrong now" conversation with his father suggested he was still learning the ropes. And as for his later conversation with Sara and how emotional he got... I honestly attributed it to exhaustion (I have to think the operation was a long one, given the complexity of what he was trying to do, and instead of sleeping while Sara came out of anesthesia he instead went through a pretty grueling workout) and a crushing sense of failure--we know Jack doesn't like letting people down now, and I imagine when he was a young doctor he handled it even worse.
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Post by Sara on Sept 22, 2005 8:37:01 GMT -5
“Kind of unlike you, the whole “glass half full, thing” “There’s a glass?” Kate wants you, Jack. But she’s leaving to go die with Locke. “Live together, die alone” Where is that from?Huh, she had another fiancée. At the time.. He’s gonna run away. Oh, for christ’s sake…. She’s better off without him. This is a case where his blunt bedside manner is useful. Little secret? She’s going to bite his face.. No, she’s excusing him. That must be what drives him on. “I’m gonna fix you” Shepard doesn’t usually make promises like that. I wonder if this is the “1,2,3.4,5” surgery he mentions in the first episode.. Oh, how sweet, he was waiting for her! Yes, he wants you to go down first. That way you die. “Yeah, well, that too” On the “see if I get eaten” “stop” Are those jungle lianas they are using? That’s a silly thing to use for rope.. No, it was the pinion.-point that gives.. oh, it’s the wire from the plane? .. DANG, woman screams like Willow. “Well, okay, then.. And she’s doing the counting thing.. “John, I think there;s something down…..” Light switches on with a bang? Switches off with a bang? And evaporates Kate without a sound. OWIE on the hand.. yeech!! From the fifth episode, "White Rabbit." Jack told the group then: "..If we can't live together...we're gonna die alone."
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Post by Matthew on Sept 22, 2005 9:01:20 GMT -5
How was he unprofessional with Sara? (sp is same as the Planetary Voice of Reason's) I thought he was rather crappy with her, at first, in the lousy bedside manner, but not so much with the unprofessional. First he tells this patient that there's no chance at all she'll ever regain more than limited mobility; which I don't think is something a doctor would do when the patient has just been through an accident, they'd tell them what the problem is and say they need to do surgery, and they'll know more after the surgery - I can't see any doc being so definite at that point. Then, when the patient wakes up after surgery, her surgeon has been waiting around for her to be coherent enough to communicate properly? Waking up from anesthesia occurs over a long while; when one first awakens, one is groggy and disoriented. It looked like Jack had been hanging around waiting for Sarah to awaiken, which no surgeon would do.
But worst of all was Jack telling this poor woman who was supposedly paralyzed that he'd been running and had hurt his ankle, and then saying how sorry he was that he hadn't helped her - with tears in his eyes. That's bound to make a frightened patient feel worse. If I were facing paralysis, I would be horrified if my doctor were babbling about running and hurting his ankle, and was practically crying at me - I'd want sympathy, but not tears from him...And I don't think tears, red eyes, obvious signs of deep distress are considered part of the professional behavior expected from a doctor talking to his patient about her condition.
8-)GAIL Huh... Doctors are human: some of them are real jerks, and some of them are just.. clueless. A surgeon is more likely to have a lousy bedside manner in general, as they are rarely (as you point out) involved in the day-to-day care of a patient. I thought it was very much a symptom of his "breakthrough" that he became emotionally involved in this case: that it allowed him to see people as creatures that live on hope. Which helped him later in his surgical carreer, and his life. Perhaps he was unproffesional: but I don't see his actions as unethical.
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Post by Matthew on Sept 22, 2005 9:10:23 GMT -5
I don't think Jack believed Hurley's story about the lottery either. Even after Kate discovered the 'quarantine' label on (under?) the hatch cover, they still discounted Hurley's warning. Oh - and it makes a whole lot of sense to actually go down into a shaft that is clearly marked 'quarantined'. Interesting facts about 'stade'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stade I don't think the 'stade' has anything to do with the city name. I think it's actually Tour de Stad(ium) ... as in tour the stadium because the point of the "game" is to run up and down every staircase in the stadium, making a full circuit tour of the stadium. The French phrase is "Tour de Stade" (I watch with captions) and it is as you say: but "LOST" is so packed with layers and weird allusions and odd cross-references that I don't think we can dismiss the idea out of hand that it's an oddball reference.
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