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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 7:31:20 GMT -5
Topic area devoted to Spikaholics, Spuffyites, Spike shippers of all types, plus any James Marsters information. All information on relationships, behavior, physical/mental/emotional/spiritual qualities of Spike or JM welcome. Straying off topic not a problem here. Share your knowledge, insights, observations, speculations, or other information on our favorite character in or out of any episode. See also "All Things Spike/James Marsters" (Part One) farther down the Miscellaneous Board.
Alexandra K. 12/21/2002
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 7:37:28 GMT -5
This web page has a backstory that sums up Spike and Sunnydale fairly succinctly up to the end of Season 5. Nice, if small, pics accompany the text. carnal-sins.net/index2.htm 12/21/2002 11:44:25 PM Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 7:58:53 GMT -5
Good idea for starting a new ATS/JM thread! What's the name of the story at that site (which I hadn't been to in awhile and is beautiful, btw)?
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:03:58 GMT -5
Sorry about the vague directions. I thought the URL went to the specific page but it only went to the homepage. More directions: URL is carnal-sins.net/index2.htm Click on "The Couple" Click on "William the Bloody" Half of the story is white print on black. The hidden part is only viewable if you click and drag over the large blank area between the pictures. And the biography does go up to the end of Season 6, not Season 5 as I stated before. I missed the hidden print at first. Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:05:20 GMT -5
This question is for Angel watchers. Which episode(s) did Spike appear in on Angel, if any? What were their titles, if you know? I don't watch Angel, but I would like to read the episode summary here on Scoopme. Thanks.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:06:07 GMT -5
I'm not an Angel watcher (yet, I guess I need to start)but I think he was only in 2 episodes. One was early in the first season, around the time as Harsh Light of Day since it was a continuation from Buffy about the Gem of Amara(sp?). I think the second was a backstory focusing on Angel's life as a vampire. Hope this helps a little. Thanks for starting a second feed for Spike/JM. Much easier for my tired, over-holidayed eyes to find. And this is becoming a needed break from the craziness that is ensuing in the Santa preparations. Happy Holidays!
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:07:07 GMT -5
To Gia - Thank you for the information on the crossovers. I was able to pinpoint the first episode by checking the first air date of "In the Harsh Light of Day" (10-19-99) on www.buffyworld.com. The Angel episode was called "In the Dark and it aired the same night. I got the following excerpt from the Scoopme analysis by Kristen Reidel and thought I'd bring it over here for fun: "Allow me to say the following… Spike. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways… I love you when you’re funny. I love you when you’re sad. I love you when you’re a badass. I love you when you’re mad. Okay, I’m not a poet. But you get the general idea. Last night began with a great hour of Buffy and then segued nicely into an equally amazing hour of Angel. We started with a simple set up. A damsel in distress. A evil druggie boyfriend. Angel to the rescue. Simple and straightforward, right? Enter Spike. I don’t know what was being said in that alley and, quite frankly, I don’t care. Whatever it was, it wasn’t nearly as entertaining as what was going on up on the roof. "No! Not the hair! Never the hair!" His monologue was so funny and on point I missed half of it because I was laughing so hard. I had to rewind and watch again. Three times." Now I have to go buy the Angel 1st season DVD. Boy, did I open a can of worms. And Gia, you're welcome about pulling up this topic to the top. Color me lazy - and obsessed.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:08:10 GMT -5
Alexandra, you are not such a bad poet, though I was thinking maybe we should call you "Alexandra the Bloody" :-). So . . . the Spikey crossovers are good enough to merit buying "Angel" CDs you say? I may give in and do this.
I may have to "catch up" with Angel anyhow, with BtVS ending and no certain spin-off in sight.
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:09:41 GMT -5
I didn't write the poetry, Kristen Reidel did in her analysis of the Angel episode "In the Dark" back on 10-10-99. I just quoted her. I work at a university and plagiarism is frowned upon so I try to cite other people's work carefully. (I think I'm kinda anal about it actually.) I merely cut and pasted because it was so Spike. I think I wouldn't even be good enough to merit the appendage "the Bloody". I'm stuck back at the 'roses are red, violets are blue' level. And I didn't know that Spike had appeared more than once on Angel. I'm still trying to track down the second episode he was in. I hope it was in an episode that is out on DVD also. Like you, I may have to start watching Angel so if Buffy disappears, I still get to enter that world once a week. In that case, the DVD set will come in handy. I understand the earlier episodes were good. I have only watched two episodes, both this season. In one episode, everyone lost their memories when trying to help Cordy regain hers. It was okay, nothing compelling. And the second episode was the infamous "Rain of Fire" where Cordy and the pubescent brat do it. I was NOT thrilled and haven't watched it since.
But I know James Marsters has signed on for an 8th season with ME. Where he goes, nobody knows. Hey, maybe I'm a poet after all.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:10:39 GMT -5
Since Rain of Fire there have been no new shows, so maybe you might want to give it a go when they start airing new episodes in January. I've been watching Angel from the beginning and there is a lot to the show other than Spike guest starring in two episodes-believe the other epi was Prodigal Son. You missed a lot of good, to great episodes. Joss put a lot of work into this show to show that it could stand on its own w/o Buffy as a lead off. The fact that the WB keeps moving it around, shows how little faith they have in Joss.
The episode Spin the Bottle where everyone loses their memory, was better than good because Joss had been gone a long time and he finally came back to put things right. This episode gave you a glimps of Liam as a teenager and the dialogue he had with his son was very insightful. I think it made Connor understand Angel a little better by meeting a teenaged Liam. It also gave us the Cordelia of old, how she has been missed. It also showed the evolution of the chracter Wesley, he has grown in leaps and bounds since showing up in Sunnydale.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:11:18 GMT -5
I guess I cannot see the episodes for what they are because I have not been watching Angel. Many references probably skate right by me. Same as many references flying around the Buffy scripts would mean nothing to a newcomer. I was not too taken with Connor, mostly because having spent season 6 of Buffy with an unhappy teenager I was a little tired of the type (and having recently emerged from the age of teen angst with my own child too). A question meant with all sincerity - does the actor who plays Connor appeal in this role to *anyone*?
I will look up "Prodigal Son" - thanks. Also I found and episode called "Darla" which apparently has historical flashbacks with Spike.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:11:59 GMT -5
I am definitely going to watch "Angel" when Faith makes some guest appearances this season. I thought ED & DB had great sparkage - better with each other than they had with anyone else I've ever seen them with. They might have rivaled the SMG & JM chemistry if it had been developed. So I am looking forward to seeing her, and it will give me a chance to see if I can develop a taste for "Angel" in general.
But occasional guest spots on Angel alone would be a big disappointment as far as Spike goes. So James M. has re-signed with ME? That might or might not mean he would reappear as Spike somewhere. I couldn't see Spike "headlining" a spin-off, because it would be too much like Angel, but maybe the ME folks are more imaginative than I.
I can't wait for a new Buffy episode. This has been a very exciting season and I do believe the ride is far from over.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:12:38 GMT -5
Yes Darla does have references to Spike, but the episode is really a showcase for Julie Benz who was excellent as Connor's mother. The scene where she kills herself to give him life is one of the most mature and powerful scenes that I have seen in a long time. She also showed that a creature without a soul could love as well. The soul of her child filled her to capacity and when she says to Angel that this was the best thing that the two of them ever did, well I was near tears. Connor's conception and birth truly an excellent story arc. Which brings me to the actor who portrays Connor. I understand why viewers might not like him, he is very creepy/annoying, but I think that is a testament to the actor. The character is meant to be a little creepy his parents are demons-one without a soul. Yet he is also lost after coming back to earth from living in a hell dimension, where the only thing he was taught was how to survive. So I must say that I understand the portrayal, do I think the actor is great-no, but I also didn't like Dawn that much (more now than before) I wasn't very happy when Darla became pregnant, but the questions that this impossible event raises are to good not to watch. Joss introduced a child into a show that has absolutely no room for one and made it a believable (not the sex between Connor/Cordy)story. Joss has a lot of explaining to do and I for one will be there all the way. Happy Holidays all!
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:13:19 GMT -5
I like the chemistry between Faith and Angel, but I don't think it was nearly as good as Angel and Buffy, especially after he left Sunnydale and she came to visit in LA. Those scenes of DB and SMG in I'll Remember You (Angel epi)are so bittersweet, sexy and mature that it hurt to watch because you knew it couldn't last. Angel and Faith are a lot alike, so I'm on the fence for the moment. I'll wait and see what happens when she returns. I might get a lot of flack for this, but I've only seen JM in one other show that wasn't Buffy and I have to tell you I wasn't impressed. Has he been in anything else that someone could recommend I watch. The show I'm referring to was Millenium (Chris Carter show) and he played this militia type character. Seeing him on Buffy/Angel is one thing, but I'm skeptical about anything else... If he does get a spin off as Spike that's a different story. I trust Joss to make it different from Angel, for one the actors are completely different.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 18, 2003 18:14:43 GMT -5
Ugh. My oldest son has gotten very ill (the messy kind, with a lot of clean-up for Mom!) and all Christmas travel plans are abruptly canceled for me and mine! All is quiet right now, anyhow. Torah, I predict zero flack for you being unimpressed with JM in a particular performance. I don’t think being bowled over by everything James has ever done is required for posting to this thread.
Faith, Angel, Buffy and Spike are an endlessly interesting foursome to me. I could write a 20 page paper, probably. Though it is more complex than this, I do believe, on the surface, Faith & Spike are alike (dark, impetuous, very insecure and needy underneath tough exteriors), and Buffy & Angel are alike (more into planning ahead, being champions/heros, etc).
I think that Faith is to Buffy much as Spike is to Angel – the scenes where Spike tells Angel to go all “fists and fangs”, etc,. are a lot like the scenes where Faith encourages Buffy to “just go for” what she wants.
And Faith is to Angel much as Spike is to Buffy. The sparks that fly between Buffy & Spike are much like the sparks that fly between Faith & Angel. It is very sizzly, because of the love/hate nature of it, the way Faith and Spike remind Buffy and Angel of parts of themselves they’d rather not face, etc.
And I just love to watch that sizzle. Not that I don’t know it’s gonna burn both parties and is likely to come to a bad end and all that. I still like to watch all the fireworks.
I wish Faith could become a regular on either Angel or a BtVS spin off, but I guess ED is not interested. Also, if there is going to be a new Slayer for a spin-off (Dawn or whoever), then Faith will have to die.
You know what might be a good twist? Faith dies, but becomes a vampire. Then we could see ED make some reappearances now and then, to cause trouble in LA or Sunnydale, as the case may be!!
Edited By Spring Summers at 12/24/2002 3:19:00 PM.
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