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Post by Pixi on Feb 23, 2005 8:19:46 GMT -5
I'm so back and forth on the question about Logan's mom. Now that they seem to be sending the message that she really is dead, that Logan has given up, I'm feeling all perversely like maybe she's not. ;D I have to agree. I also agree with whoever posted the why was she wearing her mom's clothes point? I can see how she could have the credit card but the clothes is strange. I am also on the Logan broke my heart train. Watching him cry on Veronica's shoulder was heart-rending. And Veronica's eyes during this scene - so well done. This was just excellent. The whore outfit, the Pretty in Pink tribute, the title and the whole Tom Cruise theme - thank you writers. And AH did manage to elude the Willow vibe to me. I thought having the short hair helped. The whole scene at the dance, Meg's eyes (and how wonderful to have her back - I love the way they are using secondary characters like Buffy's Jonathon or Larry and making them vital and real), Duncan and the music which has already been commented on. I didn't mind seeing Deputy Leo back (though the whole leo name has me looking around for the charmed ones) but he mumble/doesn't speak clearly sometimes and that bothers me. I'm glad VM has someone but have to admit I'm on the I want Logan and Veronica to get together boat. Well I have to finish reading everyone's thoughts. Just some initial impressions. Could I love this show anymore? They brought back Veronica's Mom and left us with our mouths hanging open. GRRRRR on stupid top models next week.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 23, 2005 8:25:15 GMT -5
He was sincere... and do you think that maybe .. when Veronica told him in the hall that she understood, that he "got it?" I think we may have witnesseda big turning point for Logan tonight. Also notice hwo he didn't really fight off Veronica's assistance while he was tanked up. Vlad I agree. I think Logan would not have broken down and cried in front of Veronica, leaned on her if he did not trust her completely. I think they both get it.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 23, 2005 8:27:33 GMT -5
I clearly thought it was Madonna.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 23, 2005 8:33:04 GMT -5
OK, so we had Duncan and Meg dressed up as Duckie and Andy from "Pretty in Pink." Now, my question is, I know that Logan was dressed up as Tom Cruise's character from "Risky Business," but since I've never seen that whole movie...is Veronica supposed to be dressed up as Rebecca de Mornay's character? If so, what kind of parallel do you think they are drawing between Logan adn Veronica. And if not, who is she dressed up as? I took her as a Madonna Wanna-Be, one of those legion of her fans back in the day who all tried to dress like they thought she dressed. She was matching the "Like a Virgin" (with the belt buckle and al) and "Shining Star" (the black lacy thing) outfits pretty well. But the idea of her kind of subliminally matching Rebecca de Mornay is . . . well, I find that verrrrry interesting. Hmmmmm.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 23, 2005 8:37:34 GMT -5
Hi all! Eeetah with everyone about Logan's heartbreak. About AH's Trina: I sensed that her coping mechanism was pretty similar to Logan's. As in lash out and maintain a mostly nasty shell. Her relationship with Logan isn't in very good shape, but perhaps that can change in time. And as has been previously mentioned: at the dance, drunken Logan didn't push Veronica away despite his usual combative MO. Nor did he seem to push Trina away when she came to pick him up, despite some of the things that were said. I would actually be more worried about Trina's character if she had come across as sincere and caring -- 'cause isn't that Daddy Echoll's public MO? Linda, holding onto hope for a core of decency in Trina's character I was getting the same vibe off Trina. That she's scraping a layer of snottiness and fake peppy-friendliness over something not so fun. But I hadn't thought about the comparison to Daddy Echolls.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 23, 2005 8:38:46 GMT -5
I was getting the same vibe off Trina. That she's scraping a layer of snottiness and fake peppy-friendliness over something not so fun. But I hadn't thought about the comparison to Daddy Echolls. Neither did I. Very good comparison.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 23, 2005 8:45:04 GMT -5
Did anyone feel like Duncan is trying to recapture his life pre-lilly's death by falling for Meg? Meg seems alot like Veronica pre-change - blonde, pretty, perky, an 09er. It makes sense that Duncan would fall for her. But the heartbreak of Veronica crying in her car over this. So much heartbreak in this episode. I'm still aching for Logan.
Though Logan in his Risky Buisness attire - very cute.
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Post by Sue on Feb 23, 2005 8:45:43 GMT -5
One of my all-time favorite songs. And give Trina this--she did come to get him. And he went with her. Dsyfunctional as all get out, but family is family. Looking to see more of this relationship.
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Post by Sue on Feb 23, 2005 8:54:29 GMT -5
That's the puzzle that's really getting to me. I mean, all this murder and threats and stuff seems like real overkill for just a "they had an affair and Veronica is really Mr. Kane's daughter" kind of secret. There's something bigger and ickier going on. But what!? What clues are we missing, people!? Something that will bring the entire Kane empire down? Industrial espionage? Supposedly Abel Koontz developed the software and claimed Jake Kane stole it, yes? I agree that it's odd that the head of Kane security would be so invovled in a personal issue.
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Post by Sue on Feb 23, 2005 9:00:02 GMT -5
Why did Logan get all quiet when Veronica found out what kind of car the person who used his mom's credit card leased? I thought it was kind of strange. And I LOVE your VM avatar, Lola! LOL! BFF. Hee! Wasn't that the kind of car his mother drove? Red convertible? It does almost seem like Trina was (deliberately) impersonating Lynn. Logan has clearly given up hope but I'm wondering if that's a mislead now. I'm with Spring on this one, tho. Too many complications and dangling ends. I don't think the entire Lynn/Aaron thing should be an on-going focal point. Let her be dead and deal with it. Too strange to have V's mom disappear and then reappear, then do the same thing with Lynn. So was the semi-impersonation thing just a sick joke on Trina's part? Seemed almost like she wanted to get noticed: oh--minor shrink moment here: Trina was Daddy's little girl until he remarried ("the wicked stepmother"). Lynn dies and Trina bizarrely dresses up like her and drives the same car thinking that it will attract Daddy's attention back to her? Far-fetched I know.
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Post by Sue on Feb 23, 2005 9:02:57 GMT -5
Julia, aggressive, hyperactive, and easily bored. Oh- the dogs, too. ;D
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Post by Sue on Feb 23, 2005 9:05:09 GMT -5
Hi all! Eeetah with everyone about Logan's heartbreak. About AH's Trina: I sensed that her coping mechanism was pretty similar to Logan's. As in lash out and maintain a mostly nasty shell. Her relationship with Logan isn't in very good shape, but perhaps that can change in time. And as has been previously mentioned: at the dance, drunken Logan didn't push Veronica away despite his usual combative MO. Nor did he seem to push Trina away when she came to pick him up, despite some of the things that were said. I would actually be more worried about Trina's character if she had come across as sincere and caring -- 'cause isn't that Daddy Echoll's public MO? Linda, holding onto hope for a core of decency in Trina's character Amen, but trying not to allow her Willow identity to force me to view the facts differently. More going on the belief that nobody on VM is just what they look like on the surface. Lots of layers, conflicts, motivations, black AND white.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 23, 2005 9:21:42 GMT -5
Wasn't that the kind of car his mother drove? Red convertible? It does almost seem like Trina was (deliberately) impersonating Lynn. Logan has clearly given up hope but I'm wondering if that's a mislead now. I'm with Spring on this one, tho. Too many complications and dangling ends. I don't think the entire Lynn/Aaron thing should be an on-going focal point. Let her be dead and deal with it. Too strange to have V's mom disappear and then reappear, then do the same thing with Lynn. So was the semi-impersonation thing just a sick joke on Trina's part? Seemed almost like she wanted to get noticed: oh--minor shrink moment here: Trina was Daddy's little girl until he remarried ("the wicked stepmother"). Lynn dies and Trina bizarrely dresses up like her and drives the same car thinking that it will attract Daddy's attention back to her? Far-fetched I know. Hi Sue! I must admit that thought (dressing up like the stepmom) didn't strike me but good point. I keep going back and forth on this whole is Mommy really dead, is Trina hiding something angle. There are explanations both ways but clearly Logan now thinks she is dead. What did you think of Alyson's performance/character? I think anytime an established television actor takes on a new role there are always echos of the past. There are very few actors that manage to so completely submerge their personality in the parts that you forget their past (meryl streep, daniel day-lewis, etc). Most stars seem to play variations of themselves most of the time. (Tom Cruise for example). I thought AH did a good job at avoiding Willowspeak but I did get a little of the darkwillow vibe from her. I am very interested in seeing what they do with her next time. There simply wasn't enough screen time or dialogue for me to fully judge it. I hope this brought in some boost to the ratings. I haven't been to zap2it yet but plan to check some time today.
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Post by Sara on Feb 23, 2005 9:29:30 GMT -5
Hi all! Eeetah with everyone about Logan's heartbreak. About AH's Trina: I sensed that her coping mechanism was pretty similar to Logan's. As in lash out and maintain a mostly nasty shell. Her relationship with Logan isn't in very good shape, but perhaps that can change in time. And as has been previously mentioned: at the dance, drunken Logan didn't push Veronica away despite his usual combative MO. Nor did he seem to push Trina away when she came to pick him up, despite some of the things that were said. I would actually be more worried about Trina's character if she had come across as sincere and caring -- 'cause isn't that Daddy Echoll's public MO? Linda, holding onto hope for a core of decency in Trina's character I'm fairly certain I read something indicating Alyson gave Trina more of an edge than they'd originally intended... Yep, here it is--straight from Jason Dohring himself: "Originally," Dohring says, "they didn't have her being snippy, but it's cool for Alyson to have a bit of an edge. It's a good match for me, because I'm snippy on the show. She inherited half of it, I caught the whole thing."
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Post by artemis on Feb 23, 2005 9:41:22 GMT -5
Army veterans from WW1 and 2 talked about Paris Whores; in general Navy veterans reference Manila in the same context. Neptune is close to San Diego, yes? Biggest Navy base on the west coast, and the slang is pervasive. <snip> yes, and there's also a pretty big filipino community in that area.
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