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Post by Karen on Apr 19, 2005 11:30:07 GMT -5
skimming more. here's the scene both where lianne's alcoholism is implied & where veronica says when lianne left: Thanks, artemis! That fills in some of the blanks. We still don't know what circumstances brought Duncan and Veronica together or why he iced her before Lilly's death. Lianne was obviously crushed by all the negative publicity. Or, maybe she was paid to disappear. |
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Post by Sue on Apr 19, 2005 11:55:37 GMT -5
Thanks, artemis! That fills in some of the blanks. We still don't know what circumstances brought Duncan and Veronica together or why he iced her before Lilly's death. Lianne was obviously crushed by all the negative publicity. Or, maybe she was paid to disappear. Doesn't Veronica think she left because of the threatening photos Clarence took? Lianne stored them in the safety deposit box shortly before she left town. Wow, lots and lots of lose ends to tie up. |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 19, 2005 12:24:31 GMT -5
Artemis - thank you so much for hunting down and selecting the pertinent transcript quotes!
It really helps me firm up the timeline in my head!!
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Post by artemis on Apr 19, 2005 12:27:44 GMT -5
well, looking at the pilot's flashbacks with the information we know now, it seems part of why lianne left might have been her and keith's differences over jake. i found this line of keith's particularly interesting with what we now know: "The man is a liar, nothing changes." that one argument of theirs (that this line is from) makes it sound like there was a lot more going on with them than what veronica thought--and that veronica's explicitly-stated reason for her mom's leaving, in the pilot, wasn't anywhere near the whole story. her belief as stated last episode that her parents will get back together when her mom finishes rehab seems to belie her continued oversimplification of the situation. do you think keith found out about the hotel rendezvous (perhaps even misinterpreting it as an affair) on the day of lily's death and that was part of why he went so doggedly after jake? that was one thing i was wondering as i reread the pilot script.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Apr 19, 2005 18:49:10 GMT -5
Sue, thank you for your great review of this episode, I really enjoyed reading it while I was putting it on the site - it was lively and fun and funny! I"m so glad you bravely took a shot at this review thing, you are doing a great job, this, your first season. *grin*
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Post by Lola m on Apr 20, 2005 7:27:36 GMT -5
well, looking at the pilot's flashbacks with the information we know now, it seems part of why lianne left might have been her and keith's differences over jake. i found this line of keith's particularly interesting with what we now know: "The man is a liar, nothing changes." that one argument of theirs (that this line is from) makes it sound like there was a lot more going on with them than what veronica thought--and that veronica's explicitly-stated reason for her mom's leaving, in the pilot, wasn't anywhere near the whole story. her belief as stated last episode that her parents will get back together when her mom finishes rehab seems to belie her continued oversimplification of the situation. do you think keith found out about the hotel rendezvous (perhaps even misinterpreting it as an affair) on the day of lily's death and that was part of why he went so doggedly after jake? that was one thing i was wondering as i reread the pilot script. I had a similar thought. That his pursuit of Jake at least was somewhat motivated by the past of Jake and Lianne and somewhat by a fear or belief that somethin was going on between them now. I don't believe that Keith is the kind of guy (or was the kind of sheriff) that would base his investigations solely on that - but I think it was a factor. |
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Post by Sue on Apr 20, 2005 7:39:32 GMT -5
Sue, thank you for your great review of this episode, I really enjoyed reading it while I was putting it on the site - it was lively and fun and funny! I"m so glad you bravely took a shot at this review thing, you are doing a great job, this, your first season. *grin* Thank you ma'am. If I manage to stave off senility a few extra years, all the credit will go to the S'cubies and VM! And don't think I didn't notice that first season comment. |
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Post by zimshan on Apr 20, 2005 21:36:26 GMT -5
The episode review link just randomly loaded up on the web page this morning after trying the 'refresh' button for days. Strange. Anyway thanks Spring for the direct link so I could read it before the new episode.
And Sue, your review was excellent. Really a great read. I especially like the list of themes in this episode that could contribute to the Lilly Kane case. It helps alot in trying to figure out a theory of who did it. Not like I have found one I can stick with completely for more than a day or so, but still...
Oh, and thanks to everyone for your warm welcome! I'm happy to get to join in on the discussion for the next episode, once time permits.
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Post by sunworshipper on Apr 22, 2005 14:05:39 GMT -5
Hey, that was a great review, Sue. I especially agree with your comments about the superb non-verbal acting going on. On rewatching the old eps, I always make an effort to watch Veronica or Logan when someone else is the focus of the scene. They're always doing something interesting or revealing that I never noticed the first time.
One nitpick. I think the stoner is named Corny, not Courtney.
That was revealed in the "I Never" game seen in the high school prom/limo party flashback in The Wrath of Con. Lilly: "I have never not had sex." Veronica (and Duncan) drink.
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Post by Sue on Apr 22, 2005 20:16:04 GMT -5
Hey, that was a great review, Sue. I especially agree with your comments about the superb non-verbal acting going on. On rewatching the old eps, I always make an effort to watch Veronica or Logan when someone else is the focus of the scene. They're always doing something interesting or revealing that I never noticed the first time. One nitpick. I think the stoner is named Corny, not Courtney. That was revealed in the "I Never" game seen in the high school prom/limo party flashback in The Wrath of Con. Lilly: "I have never not had sex." Veronica (and Duncan) drink. Thanks for the feedback. Good advice on the watching "away from the ball" (as my husband tells me I must learn to do in basketball). And you are probably correct on the kid's name. I just tried to interpolate what a heard into some "known" name, but I think you've got it correct. Altho that was not so egregious an error as hearing, "we're burning daylight" and "we're bringing daylight." Clearly time to get the old hearing checked. Finally, regarding the quote: The scene you reference occurred well before Lilly's death or Veronica's rape. I think (and clearly my memory may be faulty) the comment you quoted was part of a discussion about Logan's comment in the pool house about Veronica being a virgin. Yes--as you point out--he did have the information from the night of the homecoming dance. What posters were debating was whether he might be aware (due to some type of involvement) of Veronica's rape and therefore actually be privy to information that she is no longer (technically) a virgin. |
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Post by raenstorm on Apr 25, 2005 12:49:29 GMT -5
Sue - I'm so late in coming to say this but I really did mean to comment when I read your review. I enjoyed it thoroughly and I agree with you on all the non-verbal acting going on. I went back and rewatched a lot of this episode with no sound and it's amazing how powerful it remained.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Sept 3, 2006 9:51:16 GMT -5
29 month age difference. So Leo's about 19-20? Veronica's reaction to Keith and Alicia. Nice editing. Hee. Awkward silence. killemall.net. Sounds ominous. Hey it's that girl! fire drills. so only veronica is carrying her belongings investigative journalism. fake sounding scratchy voice. bomb threats? Heh. Veronica copying the fake scratchy voice. the navigator is faaaaar more interesting than my high school paper I'm beginning to think he has a crush on me. So everyone's in love with you then? I don't think that jives with your social pariah theory. Freedom of the press maybe you'd be doing me a favor. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Wow he looks different. my dad's not a groper. And she knows this why? everything important is password protected. Did she hide the lilly investigation folders? Or is she meaning Mac to discover them? Dude. Rude much, Duncan? And they are discussing a stolen file in the middle of a busy hallway? Confrontation with Duncan The Camelot again. fertilizer. Well maybe he's planning on planting a garden. He's a fed? And Logan to the rescue. He may be screwed up, but he does try The feds are asking Veronica for help? HOT!!!  I'll bet the Fed is peaking out the window right about now. You must feel really safe at night. I don't think I would be able to sleep in that room, considering it's in earthquake country. father works for Kane software I think it; it happens. Hee! It's the other guy. Earth to Mars. Hee. Wow, kids are mean. And Duncan's run off. Probably taking Veronica's advice about fake identities So journalism teacher took the fall. |
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