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Post by sunworshipper on Apr 26, 2005 9:58:50 GMT -5
I have the vague recollection that it was in some way to do with the end of her marriage (divorce?), but I'm not sure why I have that impression. To get away from the mess of a divorce, or something like that? Wallace has mentioned a couple of times now that his father is dead. My guess is that they moved to town after Alicia got a decent job at Kane Software.
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 26, 2005 11:34:20 GMT -5
Well...shoot! So much for my plans (and ulterior motives!) for gettin' the lowdown on the attendees to this years S'cubiefest! And here I thought Spring and I could sit in the car out outside hte event, watching people, and smooch whenver someone walked by... *strikes that from the optional event listings* Hmmm...wait! Maybe if I practice my best lilt or brogue! *carefully pencils it back in* Well shertainly, Mrsh Shummers. Shaken, not shtirred. Never shay never. Shpring ish my favorite sheason, what with the flowersh decorating those heaving bountiful shwells. Vlad Whoa, baby! Get yourself one of those snazzy little Aston Martin roadsters, and we're on!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 26, 2005 12:29:30 GMT -5
Wallace has mentioned a couple of times now that his father is dead. My guess is that they moved to town after Alicia got a decent job at Kane Software. Thank you thank you thank you! (This not having the first eps on tape is killing me! Well, it'd be killing me less if I'd go out to the script site and/or have a better memory. ) This fits with my general feeling of Alicia saying something about them starting fresh in Neptune.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2005 12:29:52 GMT -5
Wallace has mentioned a couple of times now that his father is dead. My guess is that they moved to town after Alicia got a decent job at Kane Software. That was my impression also. Interesting spec on Alicia being something other than Alicia, Wallace's mother dating Keith. I certainly didn't come away from the preview thinking that. My impression was that they were threatening her job if she continued to date Keith. And I find it wildly fascinating that there seems to have been huge outpourings of suspicion on Aaron Echolls as Lilly's murderer based on his violence in Hot Dogs. The only way I can see that scenario working is that if for some reason Lilly was seeing Aaron - seeing as in sleeping with - and the secret she was about to tell Veronica somehow related to him. A confrontation and the situation spiralling into out of control violence. But then Aaron doesn't usually stop at one does he? So I somehow tend to doubt he is the murderer. Rob Thomas has so twisted and turned us about that its now almost hard to see anyone as the murderer or, alternatively, you can now see everyone as the murderer. But I can certainly see Veronica pinning the murder on Aaron being a factor in pulling Veronica and Logan apart. Because Logan is a very loyal person.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2005 12:31:44 GMT -5
Thank you thank you thank you! (This not having the first eps on tape is killing me! Well, it'd be killing me less if I'd go out to the script site and/or have a better memory. ) This fits with my general feeling of Alicia saying something about them starting fresh in Neptune. I know - I regularly berate myself for not taping all the episodes. Well - I did in fact tape them for viewing but then taped over them. What was I thinking? And I'm such a tapaholic pack rat too. I just keep telling myself - there will be a DVD, there will be a DVD - patience, patience. Then I kick myself some more.
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Post by Sue on Apr 26, 2005 12:35:20 GMT -5
Spring, I read and enjoyed the review days ago but am just getting here to comment (pre new ep, at least). 1. Gotta say, I like the use of lists! (organizationally speaking. ) I did a lot of head-nodding at the list of incidents where folks lost their inner cool: Liked so much that Veronica stood up for herself Mandy. Already thinking that this would be a great ep to show in a high school "health and wellness issues" class to kick off a discussion about bullying. And appreciated seeing that Logan does care about Trina. with you on the Leo motivation: And, assumed Veronica was exaggerating for effect when she But the final two incidents made me extremely uncomfortable. I was not at all comfortable with the excess of violence (to say nothing of the exhibition of vigilantism) in the actions of Mandy and Aaron: I know some fans felt Hans deserved it and cheered Aaron on but I can't get on board with either reaction. It reminded me of Weevil in the early episode using the baseball bat on the car. Which makes me so pleased that Veronica chose the higher road (in taking Leo to arrest the dog-nappers rather than simply taking matter into her own hands and wreaking vigilante vengeance of her own.) We've seen V cross several moral lines thus far, seemingly without many qualms, but have we seen her actually choose violence in any situation where there was no other option? I get the feeling that the whole violence against women thing is intensely felt by Rob Thomas and staff---which makes me think that the resolution of the rape plotline is going to be very ugly. But I watch VM with my teenage daughter and I just can not get on board with the eye for an eye and attempting to solve problems, deal with situations or vent one's emotions via more violence. I'm not a total pacifist, in that I know there are solutions in which there is no other option, but I was NOT cheering Aaron on. To me that scene simply said that he was no better than the boyfriend. So I guess it's no surprise that I also don't like the idea of sex being tied in with the violence. I probably can't deny the truth of that idea, though since we certainly see it throughout our society---especially in films, TV and video games. I especially loved your summary: I find the possibility of a Chester/Lynn parallel fascinating. Lynn's sudden disappeance has always bothered me, but with the reading of the will I had thought that storyline closed. Agree totally that we the viewers have definitely NOT been told the whole story regarding Lilly and Weevil's relationship. And I also found the "leopard can't change it's spots" line chilling. I hadn't noticed the cut to Logan. To me it sounds like something that could also be applied to Lianne as well---her ongoing (?) affair with Jake and ongoing drinking.
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Post by artemis on Apr 26, 2005 12:56:03 GMT -5
i've been skimming for where alicia mentions wallace's dad. i haven't found it yet but i did find this from the pilot: doesn't it make the snickerdoodles even sweeter & more meaningful?
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 26, 2005 13:12:53 GMT -5
Spring, I read and enjoyed the review days ago but am just getting here to comment (pre new ep, at least). Thanks, Sue. Agree. It is very disturbing. But I still enjoyed the wonderfulness of the whole staging and realization of that scene - the way you could just see the rage build up in Aaron, and then explode outward. The music that was playing - I just loved the scene overall. Well, Veronica is a tiny girl, and she's not a Slayer, so her fists aren't much of an option - and I can't imagine her using serious weapons. She doesn't seem particulary prone to violence - can't think of a time where she used it. I do think that there are times when hitting is appropriate, and in defense of one's family is one of those times. However, Aaron went well beyond what was necessary. He could have stopped after the first punch and gotten the message across for good. He indulged himself 'cause he's a sick l'il puppy. I think sex is naturally tied to violence, always has been, since before TV shows or video games - to me, it's a "since the dawn of time" type of connection. Doesn't mean it's OK to get violent, doesn't mean we aren't responsible for our actions or for exerting control over ourselves, etc. I just can't wait to see what happens next!
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2005 13:15:47 GMT -5
I just can't wait to see what happens next! Word. I picture this hush settling over households everywhere as VCR's start taping and eyes are riveted to the set. My family has strict instructions to only interrupt me if there is a fire, uncontrolled bleeding or aliens landing in the back yard.
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Post by artemis on Apr 26, 2005 13:18:14 GMT -5
success! frrom "return of the kane":
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Post by Pixi on Apr 26, 2005 13:21:29 GMT -5
success! frrom "return of the kane": Bravo, well done.
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Post by sunworshipper on Apr 26, 2005 15:42:22 GMT -5
But I can certainly see Veronica pinning the murder on Aaron being a factor in pulling Veronica and Logan apart. Because Logan is a very loyal person. Yes, but I would think his loyalty to Lilly would lead him to turn against his father. I see Veronica as more bothered by the prospect of being involved with Lilly's killer's son.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 26, 2005 16:37:21 GMT -5
Word. I picture this hush settling over households everywhere as VCR's start taping and eyes are riveted to the set. My family has strict instructions to only interrupt me if there is a fire, uncontrolled bleeding or aliens landing in the back yard. ;D And I giggle because I was seriously thinking "hmmmm, would I really turn away from VM 'cuz of the aliens?"
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Sept 3, 2006 12:00:51 GMT -5
tutoring weevil or gossip hour? Hmm, Keith's stereotyped Weevil Back-Up is the only sane member of the Mars family 2 minutes? Really? You're Veronica Mars, right? Sometimes. Hee. I like this girl. Weevil broke into the Kane house. So was Keith right? Poor, clueless Leo. what is it about Bad Boys. Yeah. Weevil gave Lilly a diamond ring? She's more like an 02er Aaron is reading Siddhartha. Aaron's really given up acting? Ah, the lounging on the couch shot. Aaron was removed from Lynn's will. Logan's got a separate trust Wow, Veronica's harsh Dog statue on the desk dog blackmail? Confrontation with Celeste So Veronica speaks Spanish, right? So why not speak Spanish here? Unless she's just using that dumb gringa persona as a front? Community soap. Criminals coming of age. I am what I am, V. But do you have to be that way? Veronica Mars Drinking Game. So, is Aaron going to beat up Trina like he did Logan? Or he won't because she's a girl? Aaron with a knife. a junkie hitman with a conscience so Aaron's dad was abusive too. Big surprise there. Yeesh on the music choice. And with the belt. I loved Lilly, and Lilly loved guys. Yep. Sibling rivalry for parental attention. HOT!!! Leo is way too good for Veronica, despite being dim. You go girl for taking Veronica's advice. Of course it doesn't look the same when you're looking at it. Sneaky, sneaky No ring (which didn't exactly make sense) but the spy pen. OK.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Sept 3, 2006 12:14:02 GMT -5
Definitely. The very fact that he is doing the same types of things his father did - cigarettes, etc., - is very real life. Which makes me wonder if he was smacking his wife around too? That would SO explain her lips! #rofl1#
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