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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2005 12:11:33 GMT -5
I vote on this one every day. I'm sorry - it just kills me to see last night's Lost snorefest get so many votes compared to VM. There are just still scads of people who have no clue about VM. I mentioned it to a dance mom last night and she had no idea what I was talking about. Sigh! Now, Pixi, I think "snorefest" is a bit harsh. I found last night's "Lost" pretty gripping, in parts. The reality is that more people will watch drying dog dung on ABC than will watch the best-written drama ever on UPN. Please note I'm speaking strictly about the number of viewers on the two networks, and am neither calling "Lost" dung nor "VM" the best-written drama. **nods**
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Post by Lola m on Nov 10, 2005 12:14:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the link! Here's the description... "In his first novel Thomas lays bare the pain, awkwardness and humor at the heart of one teenager's search for identity. Steve York has always lived in the long shadow cast by his too-perfect astronaut father. When his parents divorce just before he begins high school, Steve blames his father for the family's break-up, even though he doesn't know all the facts. Life with "the astronaut" (as Steve insists on calling him) is okay for a while as Steve juggles straight-As with a part-time job and hangs out with a wise-cracking crew of artsy, nonconformist cronies, one of whom, Dub, becomes his first love. But Dub's eventual betrayal causes Steve to flee his father's home and take a dive from scholar to stoner. His last chance for academic redemption lies in writing a 100-page paper for his new guidance counselor, a narrative that becomes the framework for this novel. Thomas, a former high school teacher, nails his setting with dead-on accuracy. The sharp descriptions of cliques, clubs and annoying authority figures will strike a familiar chord. The dialogue is fresh and Steve's intelligent banter and introspective musings never sound wiser than his years. Readers will likely enjoy the quick pace of Steve's journal-style flashbacks; on a deeper level, they will be moved by his emotional stumbles and impressed by his growing maturity." Wonder how this relates to last night's episode? Hmmmm. I can see some parallels to the the series as a whole, but it would be interesting to think about how it might relate to this actual episode or this season's mystery. Not knowing the whole story? Betrayal by one's first love? Several possibilities there . . .
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Post by Queen E on Nov 10, 2005 12:40:46 GMT -5
I’ve only seen a couple of clips but I’m so giddy. What an episode! This keeps me going for at least a week. I guess it’s good when an episode makes you to do, um, squeeing noises all the way through. “Do me the courtesy of making it all official”. One word: Dick. They burnt the Echolls house. “That’s going to mess up your Tivo”. Aaron. Totally did not expect their first confrontation to be that kind of confrontation. Yep, and I totally almost believed Aaron for a couple of seconds. (Okay, one word, again): Cliff. But no no no, trying to evict Weevil and his family. Oh, no, no, no. Also, the line up scene – you like me, you really like me. Big hee hee later for Logan on the couch. But everyone so obviously could see that that was not Duncan. Yeah, it is so good to stay unspoiled for episodes like this. Haven’t seen the Clarence Wiedman bits yet. (Sorry for the repetition. Just had to say something . Re the red: Right there with you, scooter. This bothers me a lot. It's one thing for Weevil and Logan to fight, or, in a broader sense, the PCHers and the '09ers (whoa, Outsiders flashback!), but what's happening is dragging in the uninvolved. I'm sorry, but Dick and Cassidy and Logan burning down the community pool is just wrong. Why should people who have nothing to do with this have to suffer, especially kids? Not to mention that Weevil's grandma worked for the Echolls for years, and exactly who started the fire is unresolved. All signs point to the PCHers, but, then again, all signs pointed to Duncan as Lily's killer. The fire could be related to the bus crash as well. Those boys are going to have to make up for; especially Logan and Cassidy, since, unlike Dick, they've shown a glimmer of humanity in the past. ETA: Of course, I'm open to the possibility that the pool burning was merely attributed to Dick, Logan, and Cassidy.
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Post by Sue on Nov 10, 2005 13:31:39 GMT -5
I’ve only seen a couple of clips but I’m so giddy. What an episode! This keeps me going for at least a week. I guess it’s good when an episode makes you to do, um, squeeing noises all the way through. “Do me the courtesy of making it all official”. One word: Dick. They burnt the Echolls house. “That’s going to mess up your Tivo”. Aaron. Totally did not expect their first confrontation to be that kind of confrontation. Yep, and I totally almost believed Aaron for a couple of seconds. (Okay, one word, again): Cliff. But no no no, trying to evict Weevil and his family. Oh, no, no, no. Also, the line up scene – you like me, you really like me. Big hee hee later for Logan on the couch. But everyone so obviously could see that that was not Duncan. Yeah, it is so good to stay unspoiled for episodes like this. Haven’t seen the Clarence Wiedman bits yet. (Sorry for the repetition. Just had to say something . Re the red: Right there with you, scooter. This bothers me a lot. It's one thing for Weevil and Logan to fight, or, in a broader sense, the PCHers and the '09ers (whoa, Outsiders flashback!), but what's happening is dragging in the uninvolved. I'm sorry, but Dick and Cassidy and Logan burning down the community pool is just wrong. Why should people who have nothing to do with this have to suffer, especially kids? Not to mention that Weevil's grandma worked for the Echolls for years, and exactly who started the fire is unresolved. All signs point to the PCHers, but, then again, all signs pointed to Duncan as Lily's killer. The fire could be related to the bus crash as well. Those boys are going to have to make up for; especially Logan and Cassidy, since, unlike Dick, they've shown a glimmer of humanity in the past. ETA: Of course, I'm open to the possibility that the pool burning was merely attributed to Dick, Logan, and Cassidy. Well, this is an oft-repeated theme throughout VM last season and this. Many of Veronica's "solutions" wind up dragging in folks who wind up hurt by the knowledge which is uncovered. Point in fact: the bus crash. Don't know who (or what) the motive was but durned sure that innocent bystanders got caught up in something they had no part of. As for the pool burning. I don't think there's any doubt that Dick and Logan were involved---they were loading the gasoline into Logan's car. And Logan made some snarky remark. This is a serious prank, but still only took away the access of some to a fun activity. Kicking someone out of their home is a whole different level of bad and if Logan actually goes through with it is going to seriously impact the viewers (my) ability to empathize with him. (Maybe not quite the level as the AR by Spike or Buffy beating Spike, but in some ways even worse since, as you point out, he's trying to hurt Weevil by attacking poor Grandma. At least B and S only went after each other. Not like Spike refused to help Dawn or Buffy beat up Clem.)
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Post by Pixi on Nov 10, 2005 13:46:03 GMT -5
I’ve only seen a couple of clips but I’m so giddy. What an episode! This keeps me going for at least a week. I guess it’s good when an episode makes you to do, um, squeeing noises all the way through. “Do me the courtesy of making it all official”. One word: Dick. They burnt the Echolls house. “That’s going to mess up your Tivo”. Aaron. Totally did not expect their first confrontation to be that kind of confrontation. Yep, and I totally almost believed Aaron for a couple of seconds. (Okay, one word, again): Cliff. But no no no, trying to evict Weevil and his family. Oh, no, no, no. Also, the line up scene – you like me, you really like me. Big hee hee later for Logan on the couch. But everyone so obviously could see that that was not Duncan. Yeah, it is so good to stay unspoiled for episodes like this. Haven’t seen the Clarence Wiedman bits yet. (Sorry for the repetition. Just had to say something . Re the red: Right there with you, scooter. This bothers me a lot. It's one thing for Weevil and Logan to fight, or, in a broader sense, the PCHers and the '09ers (whoa, Outsiders flashback!), but what's happening is dragging in the uninvolved. I'm sorry, but Dick and Cassidy and Logan burning down the community pool is just wrong. Why should people who have nothing to do with this have to suffer, especially kids? Not to mention that Weevil's grandma worked for the Echolls for years, and exactly who started the fire is unresolved. All signs point to the PCHers, but, then again, all signs pointed to Duncan as Lily's killer. The fire could be related to the bus crash as well. Those boys are going to have to make up for; especially Logan and Cassidy, since, unlike Dick, they've shown a glimmer of humanity in the past. ETA: Of course, I'm open to the possibility that the pool burning was merely attributed to Dick, Logan, and Cassidy. See - I'm going to disagree here. I think it is clear that Weevil burned down Logan's house. He is a bad guy. I mean - yeah we all like him for the way he help out Veronica in the past but still he told Veronica himself that a leopard can't change his spots. This scene coming after the hallway scene shows me yes Weevil and the PCHers burned Logan's house. And Logan retaliated in a way that he knew would hurt Weevil - through his grandmother. It wasn't nice but burning his house wasn't nice either. Neither of them are being "nice" to each other. And it does drag in the uninvolved but unfortunately collateral damage always happens in "warfare". I'm probably not expressing myself very well here but I think each action was in character for each of them. I'm not saying it's right but I think Logan is scared, unsupervised with no adult direction whatsoever, and is reacting in the only way he knows how to hurt Weevil. Weevil hurt him, he hurt him back. I love the way all of RT's characters are swimming in shades of grey. I for one don't believe Veronica is very ethical in many of her actions. I think Duncan's actions are probably motivated by a hidden (evil) agenda. I think Woody is probably behind the class warfare or if not, heavily implicated and even Keith- our beloved Keith should not have taken Alicia's papers by breaking in. This reminds me (in a weird way) of Spike's comment to Xander that magic always has consequences. And evil always has consequences that ripple out. The burning of the pool, house and eviction all hurt the one it's aimed at but also ripples out and hurts others.
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Post by Sue on Nov 10, 2005 14:01:44 GMT -5
Re the red: Right there with you, scooter. This bothers me a lot. It's one thing for Weevil and Logan to fight, or, in a broader sense, the PCHers and the '09ers (whoa, Outsiders flashback!), but what's happening is dragging in the uninvolved. I'm sorry, but Dick and Cassidy and Logan burning down the community pool is just wrong. Why should people who have nothing to do with this have to suffer, especially kids? Not to mention that Weevil's grandma worked for the Echolls for years, and exactly who started the fire is unresolved. All signs point to the PCHers, but, then again, all signs pointed to Duncan as Lily's killer. The fire could be related to the bus crash as well. Those boys are going to have to make up for; especially Logan and Cassidy, since, unlike Dick, they've shown a glimmer of humanity in the past. ETA: Of course, I'm open to the possibility that the pool burning was merely attributed to Dick, Logan, and Cassidy. See - I'm going to disagree here. I think it is clear that Weevil burned down Logan's house. He is a bad guy. I mean - yeah we all like him for the way he help out Veronica in the past but still he told Veronica himself that a leopard can't change his spots. This scene coming after the hallway scene shows me yes Weevil and the PCHers burned Logan's house. And Logan retaliated in a way that he knew would hurt Weevil - through his grandmother. It wasn't nice but burning his house wasn't nice either. Neither of them are being "nice" to each other. And it does drag in the uninvolved but unfortunately collateral damage always happens in "warfare". I'm probably not expressing myself very well here but I think each action was in character for each of them. I'm not saying it's right but I think Logan is scared, unsupervised with no adult direction whatsoever, and is reacting in the only way he knows how to hurt Weevil. Weevil hurt him, he hurt him back. I love the way all of RT's characters are swimming in shades of grey. I for one don't believe Veronica is very ethical in many of her actions. I think Duncan's actions are probably motivated by a hidden (evil) agenda. I think Woody is probably behind the class warfare or if not, heavily implicated and even Keith- our beloved Keith should not have taken Alicia's papers by breaking in. This reminds me (in a weird way) of Spike's comment to Xander that magic always has consequences. And evil always has consequences that ripple out. The burning of the pool, house and eviction all hurt the one it's aimed at but also ripples out and hurts others. My opinion: I also think that the PCHers burned the house. However, since I am so very very often so very very wrong about these things this proves nothing. Still---remember that they think Logan killed their friend, got off once and now is out on bail and in their faces. They probably feel pretty powerless on top of lots of rage at all sorts of inequities which may not be Logan's fault directly, but he's the poster boy for class oppression. Plus there are still unresolved Lilly issues between those two. So, yes, I could definitely see a gang of guys egging each other on to commit really, really bad stuff. Logan's retaliation: also really bad, but I believe he things it is fitting: They stole his house (and, remember he's lost his mom and his dad---the house and the possessions are all he has left of that life---I'm pretty sure they destroyed a whole lot more than just his place to sleep); his home, his memories, what was left of his previous life. So he feels that taking Weevil's home is turnabout/"fair" play. Of course he's not thinking, "Well, I have the money to get another house and I'm putting helpless old lady literally on the street." He's thinking: you took my house, I'll take yours. It's a power struggle and Logan is feeling pretty powerless right now too. (Not defending him, just tryint to get into his head.)
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Post by Queen E on Nov 10, 2005 14:39:16 GMT -5
Re the red: Right there with you, scooter. This bothers me a lot. It's one thing for Weevil and Logan to fight, or, in a broader sense, the PCHers and the '09ers (whoa, Outsiders flashback!), but what's happening is dragging in the uninvolved. I'm sorry, but Dick and Cassidy and Logan burning down the community pool is just wrong. Why should people who have nothing to do with this have to suffer, especially kids? Not to mention that Weevil's grandma worked for the Echolls for years, and exactly who started the fire is unresolved. All signs point to the PCHers, but, then again, all signs pointed to Duncan as Lily's killer. The fire could be related to the bus crash as well. Those boys are going to have to make up for; especially Logan and Cassidy, since, unlike Dick, they've shown a glimmer of humanity in the past. ETA: Of course, I'm open to the possibility that the pool burning was merely attributed to Dick, Logan, and Cassidy. See - I'm going to disagree here. I think it is clear that Weevil burned down Logan's house. He is a bad guy. I mean - yeah we all like him for the way he help out Veronica in the past but still he told Veronica himself that a leopard can't change his spots. This scene coming after the hallway scene shows me yes Weevil and the PCHers burned Logan's house. And Logan retaliated in a way that he knew would hurt Weevil - through his grandmother. It wasn't nice but burning his house wasn't nice either. Neither of them are being "nice" to each other. And it does drag in the uninvolved but unfortunately collateral damage always happens in "warfare". I'm probably not expressing myself very well here but I think each action was in character for each of them. I'm not saying it's right but I think Logan is scared, unsupervised with no adult direction whatsoever, and is reacting in the only way he knows how to hurt Weevil. Weevil hurt him, he hurt him back. I love the way all of RT's characters are swimming in shades of grey. I for one don't believe Veronica is very ethical in many of her actions. I think Duncan's actions are probably motivated by a hidden (evil) agenda. I think Woody is probably behind the class warfare or if not, heavily implicated and even Keith- our beloved Keith should not have taken Alicia's papers by breaking in. This reminds me (in a weird way) of Spike's comment to Xander that magic always has consequences. And evil always has consequences that ripple out. The burning of the pool, house and eviction all hurt the one it's aimed at but also ripples out and hurts others. Sue pretty much said what I was going to say about the rest of it, but I take issue with saying Weevil is a bad guy. How is Weevil not allowed the shades of grey that Logan is? I'm not saying that Logan is a bad guy, but I certainly wouldn't classify him as "good" either. Yes, Weevil is involved in a gang. We have yet to hear that he has murdered anyone, although theft and assault have been mentioned (Logan also could be accused of both crimes). He is loyal to his friends. He has a well-developed sense of family ties (taking the fall for his cousin in "Credit Where Credit Is Due"). Part of what makes Logan a fascinating character (and this is where the comparisons to Spike seem to occur), is that he really is a magnificent bastard. You want to hug him and smack him at the same time. And he and Weevil mirror one another in a myriad of ways...
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Post by Pixi on Nov 10, 2005 14:43:22 GMT -5
See - I'm going to disagree here. I think it is clear that Weevil burned down Logan's house. He is a bad guy. I mean - yeah we all like him for the way he help out Veronica in the past but still he told Veronica himself that a leopard can't change his spots. This scene coming after the hallway scene shows me yes Weevil and the PCHers burned Logan's house. And Logan retaliated in a way that he knew would hurt Weevil - through his grandmother. It wasn't nice but burning his house wasn't nice either. Neither of them are being "nice" to each other. And it does drag in the uninvolved but unfortunately collateral damage always happens in "warfare". I'm probably not expressing myself very well here but I think each action was in character for each of them. I'm not saying it's right but I think Logan is scared, unsupervised with no adult direction whatsoever, and is reacting in the only way he knows how to hurt Weevil. Weevil hurt him, he hurt him back. I love the way all of RT's characters are swimming in shades of grey. I for one don't believe Veronica is very ethical in many of her actions. I think Duncan's actions are probably motivated by a hidden (evil) agenda. I think Woody is probably behind the class warfare or if not, heavily implicated and even Keith- our beloved Keith should not have taken Alicia's papers by breaking in. This reminds me (in a weird way) of Spike's comment to Xander that magic always has consequences. And evil always has consequences that ripple out. The burning of the pool, house and eviction all hurt the one it's aimed at but also ripples out and hurts others. Sue pretty much said what I was going to say about the rest of it, but I take issue with saying Weevil is a bad guy. How is Weevil not allowed the shades of grey that Logan is? I'm not saying that Logan is a bad guy, but I certainly wouldn't classify him as "good" either. Yes, Weevil is involved in a gang. We have yet to hear that he has murdered anyone, although theft and assault have been mentioned (Logan also could be accused of both crimes). He is loyal to his friends. He has a well-developed sense of family ties (taking the fall for his cousin in "Credit Where Credit Is Due"). Part of what makes Logan a fascinating character (and this is where the comparisons to Spike seem to occur), is that he really is a magnificent bastard. You want to hug him and smack him at the same time. And he and Weevil mirror one another in a myriad of ways... By bad guy I meant the leader of a biker's gang that does vandalism, steals, etc. I meant he is self-proclaimed that way. I did not mean to imply that Logan was not bad - he acts badly also. I was simply trying to say that Weevil himself declares himself to be part of a gang. ETA: I basically did not see that Sue and I were posting anything different. I was trying to make the point that innocent people do get hurt in the fallout that's all. Ack - now I feel all worried about trying to expressing contrasting opinions. I am not trying to excuse Logan's actions in any way. I thought I made that clear.
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Post by Reetta on Nov 10, 2005 14:43:36 GMT -5
This is somewhat unrelated, but it bothers me and I was just wondering (because I have not yet seen all the episodes of this season)… Did Logan at any point get rid of all the Aaron “memorabilia” in the house? It was just somehow really weird that Logan kept all those things that still reminded him of his father. They were all still there in Cheaty Cheaty Bang Bang, weren’t they?
ETA: And immediately after I wrote this, I started thinking that maybe he just wanted avoid another confrontation with Aaron in case he gets out (which is pretty much what Pixi said).
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Post by Pixi on Nov 10, 2005 14:47:46 GMT -5
This is somewhat unrelated, but it bothers me and I was just wondering (because I have not yet seen all the episodes of this season)… Did Logan at any point get rid of all the Aaron “memorabilia” in the house? It was just somehow really weird that Logan kept all those things that still reminded him of his father. They were all still there in Cheaty Cheaty Bang Bang, weren’t they? I think Logan didn't do anything with Aaron's things in the house because at this point Logan doesn't know that Aaron won't somehow get out of it and come back. Celebrities do often seem to get away with murder in Hollywood.
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Post by Rob on Nov 10, 2005 14:54:49 GMT -5
I love the way all of RT's characters are swimming in shades of grey. I for one don't believe Veronica is very ethical in many of her actions. I think Duncan's actions are probably motivated by a hidden (evil) agenda. I think Woody is probably behind the class warfare or if not, heavily implicated and even Keith- our beloved Keith should not have taken Alicia's papers by breaking in. I agree with pretty much all of this. I would add that Wallace is a necessary exception to the rule. It was a nice touch for RT to basically have Wallace's scenes written as "voice-over"...but it's not going to work much longer. There's too much dark in her world to go without her light. Having said that, this episode was quite well-written and acted. I loved both of Harry Hamlin's scenes in particular; Aaron sure is one spooky character. For a second, I actually entertained the thought that he might be telling Logan the truth about Lilly's death. In fact, I'm still entertaining it a little. I just don't trust Duncan very much. Now, on with the important stuff: whoever wrote that scene for Joss's character clearly doesn't understand the business. You tell the customer the Buick Regal is only $380.00 per week, then once they accept that offer, you say you'll throw in the liability for free! I'm telling you, people LOVE the word "free." It works at least 20% of the time on half my clientele. So, in summary: if you're going to lampoon what I do for a living, do it well. That's all I ask. Either way, it was way cool to see Joss's first speaking role be MY job. I completely geeked out for a minute.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 10, 2005 14:59:30 GMT -5
So what does everyone think about the rat? (oh and Erin you did totally call this so kudos). It's interesting, isn't it , that the rat was at the back of the bus. When Dick complained about the smell Miss Dumas told him to move to the front of the bus.
When we see them start riding home - Meg is at the back of the bus. Meg is the only one to survive - so far that is.
Was the rat/smell placed in the back of the bus so that most of the kids would be in the front of the bus where they would be killed? Was the explosion in the front?
And why is the little sucker still non-decomposty?
I want Gil and Sara and Nick and Warrick (no Catherine please) going over the bus and figuring this all out.
Is someone a rat?
Has someone been ratting someone out? Don't they stuff a rat in your mouth before they kill you if you rat on someone in the underworld?
I think the finding the rat moment was an excellent da da dun moment.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 10, 2005 15:06:21 GMT -5
I love the way all of RT's characters are swimming in shades of grey. I for one don't believe Veronica is very ethical in many of her actions. I think Duncan's actions are probably motivated by a hidden (evil) agenda. I think Woody is probably behind the class warfare or if not, heavily implicated and even Keith- our beloved Keith should not have taken Alicia's papers by breaking in. I agree with pretty much all of this. I would add that Wallace is a necessary exception to the rule. It was a nice touch for RT to basically have Wallace's scenes written as "voice-over"...but it's not going to work much longer. There's too much dark in her world to go without her light. Having said that, this episode was quite well-written and acted. I loved both of Harry Hamlin's scenes in particular; Aaron sure is one spooky character. For a second, I actually entertained the thought that he might be telling Logan the truth about Lilly's death. In fact, I'm still entertaining it a little. I just don't trust Duncan very much. Now, on with the important stuff: whoever wrote that scene for Joss's character clearly doesn't understand the business. You tell the customer the Buick Regal is only $380.00 per week, then once they accept that offer, you say you'll throw in the liability for free! I'm telling you, people LOVE the word "free." It works at least 20% of the time on half my clientele. So, in summary: if you're going to lampoon what I do for a living, do it well. That's all I ask. Either way, it was way cool to see Joss's first speaking role be MY job. I completely geeked out for a minute. Hee, hee - that's right. I think it was a total shoutout to you Rob from both Joss and RT. I think Duncan has all kinds of a hidden agenda going on. I really do. I've read lots and lots of spec but to me there's just something off about him. He starts the season stalking Veronica and having supposedly no reaction to the bus crash. We find out he has been stalking/lurking at the hospital since then. Allusions to Duncan being Howard Hughes (with his behind the scenes involvement in conspiracies) two weeks ago and this week we have the implication that he could have been the murderer again. I don't think they are retconning the solution to Lilly's murder, I do think it was just Aaron planning his defense but it was interesting he chose Duncan as his substitute murder. Plus all the did he or didn't he impregnate Meg? And why is Duncan uninterested in having sex with Veronica? First he turns her down and then he invites Logan to live with them - which has got to cut down on the sex. I just think there's something up. And I agree - HH was fantastic last night. Honestly everyone was doing a great job acting in my opinion. ETA: I realize this post is really harsh toward Duncan and I realize he has a lot of fans. Please just take this as a slightly biased post from someone who doesn't like Duncan's character alot. I realize also the stalking is just my own interpretation of Duncan showing up at Veronica's work place every day and visiting Meg in the hospital every day.
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Post by Rob on Nov 10, 2005 15:47:35 GMT -5
Plus all the did he or didn't he impregnate Meg? And why is Duncan uninterested in having sex with Veronica? First he turns her down and then he invites Logan to live with them - which has got to cut down on the sex. Unless I've missed something, the show itself hasn't even hinted anything regarding Meg being with child. Isn't that mostly 'Net speculation stuff? As for Duncan not interested in sex...I think he took Logan in to help his friend. It's possible (in fact, in Duncan's case, even likely) he was clueless to all the ramifications of the arrangement. Unless, of course, Duncan's been on a revenge jag against everyone who'd been involved with Lilly...with no one exempted. Doing certain things himself, letting others be blamed so chaos would ensue, therefore having his perceived enemies take one another out. Thing is, can there possibly BE that sort of Machiavellian schemer inside Duncan? Is he the Iago in this whole mess? If so, Teddy Dunn's a better actor than I gave him credit for, 'cause color me shocked. My point is, it can't be both ways: Duncan can't be an evil genius/clueless lump. Those traits, I believe, would be mutually exclusive. One of them isn't real. Not sure where I'm going with this.
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Post by Sharky on Nov 10, 2005 16:03:10 GMT -5
I fear for Weevil. Don't know why. Maybe I'm afraid RT spent a little too much time with Joss this week...
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