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Post by Lola m on Dec 6, 2005 13:08:47 GMT -5
Oooh, excellent observation! And it fits in so excellently well with the arc of the season, and throws everything we've seen thus far into a new light. Is the rat under the bus a clue, or bad information? Is Duncan the father of Meg's child, or are both Veronica and Duncan operating on bad information? We already know that the persistent assumption by the PCHers that Logan killed Felix is bad information, but that rumor won't die. So what else can we call into question? The true motives for the bus crash aren't known, but there are a lot of rumors about it. Kendell says she was in Duncan's bed, but she has an agenda. Is that really true? Not to mention the he said/she said nature of Wallace's father's issues. As I recall, when Kendall made that observation in this episode she and Duncan were the only ones in the room. So the way I see it, she had no reason to lie or overstate the facts--there was no one to make jealous (Logan) or get a dig in on (Veronica), just a guy who already knew that bit of information (if his lack of an outraged denial is anything to go on). Clearly the woman does have an agenda; I just don't see how she furthered it by making that remark at that particular time. Which leads me to believe that, for a change, Kendall was telling some version of the truth. Some version of the truth is a really good way to put it! It could be her making a dig at him, goading or teasing him. That she was literally "in his bed", naked, and he turned her down. Or, they might have had sex. Of some form.
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Post by SpringSummers on Dec 6, 2005 14:30:39 GMT -5
Yes, I thought "that look" that Meg gave was deliberately ambiguous - but ultimately, that IV line and those monitors aren't amibiguous. If there wasn't something seriously wrong, Meg and baby wouldn't have all that equipment hooked up.It could be she's been out of the coma for a short while and the family hasn't wanted the news released for some reason . . . I don't think it would be at all plausible for Meg to have faked out the hospital staff and her family, so I hope they don't go there. I guess she could have closed her eyes upon hearing someone coming in the room, maybe with no other intent that to "fake sleeping" (rather than "fake a coma") to not deal with Mom, or Dad, or whomever she might have actually expected. I dunno--if we presume that Meg's been in a persistent coma (or has been kept in one until any swelling in her brain subsided) then both the IVs and the monitors make perfect sense to me; the IVs would be keeping her supplied with the liquid and nutrients both she and the baby need to survive, and using a fetal monitor to keep an eye on the baby's stats while Mom is unconscious strikes me as a no-brainer. So I didn't notice anything in that scene that I would't have expected to see, given the circumstances involved. But then, I don't know a whole lot about this sort of thing either. Uhm . . . I didn't make myself clear here, I guess. I think of "a coma" as being "something seriously wrong." I was disputing the idea that Meg may not have really been in a coma, or was faking a coma. I was pointing out the IV, etc., to suggest that yes, she was in a coma . . . Maybe I am just not following you here, but I don't understand your response.
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Post by Sue on Dec 7, 2005 7:26:06 GMT -5
Vlad has posted my terribly tardy review. (Thanks Vlad!)
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Post by Pixi on Dec 7, 2005 8:28:20 GMT -5
Sue - bravo on another excellent review! I enjoyed this immensely and thank you so much for bringing in the title - and the old show "My Mother the Car" so creatively. How true! I was less than thrilled with it but you are right - it is a chance to stop and catch our breath a little. Nice. I loved this and I love all your observations about acting and role-playing. And I couldn't agree more here. I see glimpses of the Veronica I liked so much last season but, no matter how much Rob Thomas denies it - as he did in the UPN webcast - I still feel Veronica is acting very differently this season. Everything compartmentalized and kept in it's box and her emotions only overflow when she can't keep the box closed. I love your pairings. So many couplings indeed! I enjoyed reading this a great deal. I don't know - I still think, however, that Duncan is the father of Meg's baby. I mean based on her personality last year I honestly don't see her sleeping with anyone else. And we had Duncan's dream of them sleeping together. I'm happy to see Duncan unraveling but honestly I am still flabbergasted to see Veronica holding onto her illusions about him. So many secrets. I can't wait to see the new crime-fighting duo of Logan and Weevil attacking the mystery of who killed Felix. And once again a big round of applause for those characters that are evolving - Van Clemmons and Cassidy.
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Post by Lola m on Dec 7, 2005 8:52:26 GMT -5
Sue! Another excellent analysis! First, I really liked your comparison of the episode to a palate cleanser - which really, is something to prepare us for for the next part of the experience. Like you, I suspect the roller coaster is about to take another plunge. Also, I that Rob T is like Joss, in that he never shows us something we won't need to know in the larger scheme of things. I believe that when we look back over the season, we'll understand exactly why we needed this episode. I love all your examples of mothers that reappear, in all their different flavors! This is me admitting just how brain-dead I am lately, but I honestly didn't see all of this. Even with the MOTW and the ep title and all. #duh# And even though mothers are obviously the parental theme this year, as fathers were last year. (The child abuse show put a lot of emphasis on mothers - although interestingly enough - the true guilty party was once again a father.) **snickering over the APLS** **also snickering over the reminder of the "the play is my master and I am it's whore!" moment** Nice parallel of Trina and Veronica's use of a role to keep others at a distance - I hadn't really looked at Trina in that way, and yet you are completely right. It's there in her willful ignorance of how Aaron was treating Logan; in her mood-swings to perky friendliness; in the awkward way she tries to care for someone else. And keeping others away from her real emotions is one of Veronica's core fall back positions; one that could really hurt her some day. I'm sure the whole theme of playing a role or having a mask that makes you appear to be someone you are not will be just as important this year as it was last year. Most excellent observation of the: I hadn't noticed all the similarities until you pointed them out. Very intriguing to speculate what they might mean for the future, eh? **more snickering over " the buddy movie from hell: Logan and Weevil" (oil!!) and awwwwwwing over the cuteness that is MacCassidy** Another very nice observation and turn of phrase was: Kudos, Sue!
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Post by raenstorm on Dec 7, 2005 11:42:16 GMT -5
Hi there... this is a quick drop by to pass along some praise for the ever lovely Sue and Spring. A friend was responding to my posting a link to Sue's latest review and had this to say... "Thanks for posting the links to the S3 recaps. They're always so interesting and insightful, and I'd hate to miss them."Just wanted to pass it along and make sure you both knew (in case you even doubted it) that there are people out there reading and enjoying.
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Post by LadyDi on Dec 7, 2005 12:22:20 GMT -5
First off, is there anybody who doesn't just love too cute for words MacCassidy? And the buddy movie from hell: Logan and Weevil---cementing their "partnership" with a lovely little brawl in the men's room. Here's hoping for lots more of both of these match-ups!
Ah, Sue, from your keyboard to RT's ears. Great review.
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Post by Pixi on Dec 7, 2005 12:38:27 GMT -5
Hi there... this is a quick drop by to pass along some praise for the ever lovely Sue and Spring. A friend was responding to my posting a link to Sue's latest review and had this to say... "Thanks for posting the links to the S3 recaps. They're always so interesting and insightful, and I'd hate to miss them."Just wanted to pass it along and make sure you both knew (in case you even doubted it) that there are people out there reading and enjoying. Hi oh quickly appearing and disappearing Rae. I know I wouldn't want to miss them either.
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Post by Lola m on Dec 7, 2005 12:57:18 GMT -5
First off, is there anybody who doesn't just love too cute for words MacCassidy? And the buddy movie from hell: Logan and Weevil---cementing their "partnership" with a lovely little brawl in the men's room. Here's hoping for lots more of both of these match-ups! Ah, Sue, from your keyboard to RT's ears. Great review. ;D Yes!
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Post by Sara on Dec 7, 2005 20:27:25 GMT -5
I dunno--if we presume that Meg's been in a persistent coma (or has been kept in one until any swelling in her brain subsided) then both the IVs and the monitors make perfect sense to me; the IVs would be keeping her supplied with the liquid and nutrients both she and the baby need to survive, and using a fetal monitor to keep an eye on the baby's stats while Mom is unconscious strikes me as a no-brainer. So I didn't notice anything in that scene that I would't have expected to see, given the circumstances involved. But then, I don't know a whole lot about this sort of thing either. Uhm . . . I didn't make myself clear here, I guess. I think of "a coma" as being "something seriously wrong." I was disputing the idea that Meg may not have really been in a coma, or was faking a coma. I was pointing out the IV, etc., to suggest that yes, she was in a coma . . . Maybe I am just not following you here, but I don't understand your response. That's okay--rereading what I wrote, I realize I wasn't entirely clear. I think what it boils down to is that I was defining "seriously wrong" slightly differently than you are; I was equating "seriously wrong" with "on the verge of death." And while a coma is most definitely nothing to sneeze at, as I understand it it's not a condition that is in and of itself life-threatening--especially if the coma was at any point induced by the doctors. So what I was trying to say is that I perceived the IV and equipment as par for the course for her treatment, and not indicative of her being on death's door. Totally my bad--I was assuming an interpretation of the phrase that you clearly didn't mean.
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Post by zimshan on Dec 7, 2005 21:42:19 GMT -5
Since the new ep is now recording as I patiently (yea, right) wait for midnight to get here so I can finally watch, I figured I'd read and comment on the new review...
Wow. I really loved this one, SUE! Great job!
You found a bunch of great goodies in this ep that I never dreamed were actually there. Usually I'll be all dissection girl, but this week I figured this was a fun, entertaining ep and digging wouldn't be worth it. Now I see how wrong I was…
Loved the way you started the review with the sorbet. Lots of sugar with a bit of acid. Hehe. Too true…
OoO, I really like this thought. Yea, it kind of didn't feel right to just call it filler. It served its own purpose quite well. It's like how Joss always used to run his episodes. He always stuck a light episode either before or after a really dark and heavy one.
*nods head furiously and then checks watch* Ahh!
LOVE how you related it back to the theme song! So great. I vaguely remember catching some old reruns of the show years ago. Quite an insane little show, but I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it. Never would have seen the connection to the title, let alone the whole episode. Great job!
Oh! Nice!
Oh, man! All of that role-playing in the episode, Meg playing possum would have fit is sooo nicely. *in aggravated tone* RT!
How on earth did I miss these lovely parallels? *Smacks self in head*
Of course! It all makes so much more sense now...
Haha! Nice observation!
Love all the makeovers! Like makeup applied for the stage?
Uh, oh. I can completely see that happening. Then Cassidy would really be up a creek without a paddle…
Apples! hehe.
Yey! Someone else doubting Duncan as the father! Although you guys have all probably found out the truth already. I'm waiting impatiently until midnight…
Yes. The thing that I have found interesting about Logan and his retaliations is that they've kept them remarkably consistent to his purist theory stated in 107: "Less blood, more emotional distress" While Weevil uses the violence, (fire; kidnapping) Logan hits him back emotionally, (hurt him by hurting his grandma as he evicts the Navarros from their house; hurting his pride and reputation through the flag pole move).
Oh, my! Now that would make my head spin!
Whoa. Such a nice catch, Sue! Awesome little find.
Umm... *raises hand slowly* Guilty as charged...
Wow, neat. We're getting a lot of old Angel and Buffy people working for VM these days. Half the crew is the old Buffy crew. But now actresses too. We had Doyle's ex-wife in Driver Ed. And there was another one from this season I thought. Still, it's fun to find all the little connections.
I'm be here in the corner crossing my fingers that this next ep turns out to be good. I'm actually quite scared about watching it. I know nothing about the ep but the direction I'm seeing them going in is freakin' me out abit, so I hope to see some things fixed tonight... Or else! *waves pitchfork at RT*
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Post by Michelle on Dec 8, 2005 9:22:29 GMT -5
Sue! This was a wonderful review! I'm amazed at all the things you pulled from this episode. Or before the bus goes over the cliff? Nicely put! I loved the way he carefully turned the APLS over after Veronica plunked it down on the counter. It was very telling of the kind of person Keith is. That was very sweet. But how odd that her mother would be working (to this day) at the same place as the father of her child. The father who dumped his baby in the women's bathroom. And that begs the question: How did the vice-principal smuggle a baby into the girl's bathroom during the prom, anyway? Excellent observation! Great point. Cassidy better watch out! Figurehead or no, with Kendall at the helm of his new company, she's liable to get power hungry. Me too! Sounds like Logan has begun rejecting her advances as well, maybe? Hee hee! Now that you mention it... Again, excellent thoughts. Thanks, Sue.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 12, 2006 7:53:42 GMT -5
Now, you're freaking me out. ;D Oh my god. Now I've freaked myself out. Because it was Trina in my dream. ETA: Except in my dream, Aaron was the actual father, and Lianne was the mom. Whoa.
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