VM 2:10 One Angry Veronica

[Lola m]

mt said:

Re Meg's pregnancy:

I do know that it's not atypical for teens not to show until well into the pregnancy. (I don't remember the why, unfortunately.) That being the case, if Meg was around 4 months at the beginning of the school year (August in some places, September in others), it's not too much of a stretch to believe that it wouldn't be possible to tell. Reviewing the tapes and seeing Meg's outfit in the first episode, it's a little hard to believe that her stomach would be that flat, but I'm willing to let that slide. It's difficult to simulate early pregnancy on television. The actress would have to be willing to gain some weight, and given the "looks" standards applied to actors these days, I'm not surprised she wouldn't be willing to do that for that brief of an appearance.

The blood clot is plausible as well, actually. Lying that still for that long, the bus crash, the stress, and the pregnancy, not surprising. It would have been less plausible if she'd lived.

Oh, yeah. I saw the death itself coming, but to have it be a blot clot was a very plausible cause. And especially to have it happen after she woke up and started moving around again.

[Lola m]

sue said:

Is Leo gone for good?

He could get a job on the TN Highway patrol. Huge investigation scandal. Something like 47 state troopers turn out to have felony records! ! !

That's Leo's entire career down the tubes. For $50,000?

I figured the Kanes would have willingly paid the half mil. Not just to keep them off the internet, but to also convict Aaron.

(I think Leo's explanation was lame---both of them: way he stole them AND why he sold them so cheap.)

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Okay, now the stuff about Grace Manning has to come out to keep them from getting the baby. But how could they possibly convince the court to place it up for adoption if Duncan says he wants it? No matter what his health issues he is the biological father.

Now, I don't see Duncan letting them have the baby, but I could see him agreeing that adoption is the best route. Can't imagine he would want to raise it. [3 men and a baby: Duncan, Logan, Dick. URK!] But he'd have to control the adoption process----none of this going thru ultra-strict fanatical adoption agency.

Imagining Celeste's reaction.

Imagining Keith's reaction to Veronica's boyfriend being an unwed father at 18.

Imagining Kendall.

Rethinking all the Duncan with baby scenes from last week.

Yes, all those Duncan being very comfy with animatronic baby last week sure have a different feel now, don't they?

[Lola m]

mt said:

rob said:

That's a lot of imagining there, Sue. Let me help you out; I'll take care of the imagining Kendall.

That's our Rob; always taking one for the team.

Next we'll tell you that you have to eat doughnuts and sleep with supermodels to get anything done around here.

;D

[Lola m]

rob said:

mt said:

I'm trying to relate that to the Logan and Leo dynamic, and having problems. I mean, Logan is the one that Veronica left Leo for...and yet that can't be a throwaway...

I've no doubt we're supposed to interpret something from the reference. Sadly, I haven't a clue what it could be.

Perhaps just meant to suggest some link between Blanche's vulnerability and Logan's? A hint to the fact that he didn't get the tape for monetary reasons, but emotional ones?

[Sharky]

ehills said:

Was Lamb hitting on Keith in the gym?

12 angry gentlemen plotline
though wouldn't someone like Veronica be deselected right away?

Veronica cooking Christmas dinner!
love the Veronica/Keith relationship

Logan

like the shot of Veronica standing up into frame

solving the transition to college problem, of course

man, this town is corrupt

Wallace!

I believe that "full-time student" wins the "get out of jury duty free" pass. At least it does in Texas. Of course, it was the Christmas break.

Still suspect the ex-sheriff's daughter might have gotten dumped during voir dire... BTW, can anyone tell me how to pronounce "voir dire"?

[Sharky]

lolam said:

Yes, all those Duncan being very comfy with animatronic baby last week sure have a different feel now, don't they?

Well, yeah. With a few of daddy's genes I'm sure animatronic is a pretty good approximation of the real mini-Donut.

[Sharky]

lolam said:

Oh, yeah. I saw the death itself coming, but to have it be a blot clot was a very plausible cause. And especially to have it happen after she woke up and started moving around again.

Still, why'd they give us last week's alternate ending, anyway? You couldn't have tipped off the "Big Neptune Death" any more than if you had a hooded figure standing behind Meg's hospital bed taking practice swings with a big honkin' scythe.

[Onjel]

sharky said:

ehills said:

Was Lamb hitting on Keith in the gym?

12 angry gentlemen plotline
though wouldn't someone like Veronica be deselected right away?

Veronica cooking Christmas dinner!
love the Veronica/Keith relationship

Logan

like the shot of Veronica standing up into frame

solving the transition to college problem, of course

man, this town is corrupt

Wallace!

I believe that "full-time student" wins the "get out of jury duty free" pass. At least it does in Texas. Of course, it was the Christmas break.

Still suspect the ex-sheriff's daughter might have gotten dumped during voir dire... BTW, can anyone tell me how to pronounce "voir dire"?

Sure. Vwahr Deer. That's my idea of phonetics. Did it help?

[Sue]

sharky said:

lolam said:

Yes, all those Duncan being very comfy with animatronic baby last week sure have a different feel now, don't they?

Well, yeah. With a few of daddy's genes I'm sure animatronic is a pretty good approximation of the real mini-Donut.

I like this. Android/animatronic. Wondering when and what it will take to have the smouldering Volcano of Duncan explode. Will be interesting to see what Teddy Dunn does with the scene. There have been several references to his outbursts recently.....

[Sharky]

onjel said:

sharky said:

I believe that "full-time student" wins the "get out of jury duty free" pass. At least it does in Texas. Of course, it was the Christmas break.

Still suspect the ex-sheriff's daughter might have gotten dumped during voir dire... BTW, can anyone tell me how to pronounce "voir dire"?

Sure. Vwahr Deer. That's my idea of phonetics. Did it help?

Yes, it did. Thanks, Onjel! I've always thought of it as "Voy-r Deeray" or "Vwah Deeray", but I've known better than to actually try to say it. I'm a believer in the "Better to leave your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than open it and remove all doubt" adage. ;D

[Onjel fell off the board]

sharky said:

onjel said:

Sure. Vwahr Deer. That's my idea of phonetics. Did it help?

Yes, it did. Thanks, Onjel! I've always thought of it as "Voy-r Deeray" or "Vwah Deeray", but I've known better than to actually try to say it. I'm a believer in the "Better to leave your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than open it and remove all doubt" adage. ;D

LOL! Someone who speaks Latin might say the correct pronunciation is different from mine, but that's how we pronounce it in the legal profession.

[Pixi]

sharky said:

ehills said:

Was Lamb hitting on Keith in the gym?

12 angry gentlemen plotline
though wouldn't someone like Veronica be deselected right away?

Veronica cooking Christmas dinner!
love the Veronica/Keith relationship

Logan

like the shot of Veronica standing up into frame

solving the transition to college problem, of course

man, this town is corrupt

Wallace!

I believe that "full-time student" wins the "get out of jury duty free" pass. At least it does in Texas. Of course, it was the Christmas break.

Still suspect the ex-sheriff's daughter might have gotten dumped during voir dire... BTW, can anyone tell me how to pronounce "voir dire"?

Oh I can, I can.

Probably Onjel too.

I agree - ohh - I have soooooooo many problems with this episode. . . . . . picture a feisty pixi.

[Sharky]

pixi said:

sharky said:

I believe that "full-time student" wins the "get out of jury duty free" pass. At least it does in Texas. Of course, it was the Christmas break.

Still suspect the ex-sheriff's daughter might have gotten dumped during voir dire... BTW, can anyone tell me how to pronounce "voir dire"?

Oh I can, I can.

Probably Onjel too.

I agree - ohh - I have soooooooo many problems with this episode. . . . . . picture a feisty pixi.

Thanks, Pixi! Onjel stepped in to translate the Latin to Texan.

Feisty Pixi? All I'm getting is Tinkerbell....

[Onjel]

pixi said:

sharky said:

I believe that "full-time student" wins the "get out of jury duty free" pass. At least it does in Texas. Of course, it was the Christmas break.

Still suspect the ex-sheriff's daughter might have gotten dumped during voir dire... BTW, can anyone tell me how to pronounce "voir dire"?

Oh I can, I can.

Probably Onjel too.

I agree - ohh - I have soooooooo many problems with this episode. . . . . . picture a feisty pixi.

Well, you really have to suspend disbelief here, because she surely would have been challenged for cause and if not bounced for that, a peremptory challenge would likely have been used to knock her off the panel, in the real world.

Each side gets the ability to seek the removal of a potential juror from the panel, for no reason at all. Those are called peremptory challenges and the request for removal does not have to be explained. Challenges for cause have to be explained in the context of bias or something similar and such challenges are ruled upon by the judge, who can deny the request for removal for cause.

Now, in this case, arguments militating in favor of keeping Veronica on the jury are present for both the defense and the prosecution, but in all likelihood, to avoid reversal on appeal she would likely have been bounced. Also, the arguments in favor of keeping her on the jury can be used to prompt kicking her off, by the other side.

Don't let anyone kid you. Neither side wants a fair unbiased jury. The whole point of the voir dire process is to pack the jury with people you think will be sympathetic to your side. With both sides trying to accomplish the same thing, you actually have a better chance of ending up with a fair jury, believe it or not.

[Sharky]

onjel said:

pixi said:

Oh I can, I can.

Probably Onjel too.

I agree - ohh - I have soooooooo many problems with this episode. . . . . . picture a feisty pixi.

Well, you really have to suspend disbelief here, because she surely would have been challenged for cause and if not bounced for that, a peremptory challenge would likely have been used to knock her off the panel, in the real world.

Each side gets the ability to seek the removal of a potential juror from the panel, for no reason at all. Those are called peremptory challenges and the request for removal does not have to be explained. Challenges for cause have to be explained in the context of bias or something similar and such challenges are ruled upon by the judge, who can deny the request for removal for cause.

Now, in this case, arguments militating in favor of keeping Veronica on the jury are present for both the defense and the prosecution, but in all likelihood, to avoid reversal on appeal she would likely have been bounced. Also, the arguments in favor of keeping her on the jury can be used to prompt kicking her off, by the other side.

Don't let anyone kid you. Neither side wants a fair unbiased jury. The whole point of the voir dire process is to pack the jury with people you think will be sympathetic to your side. With both sides trying to accomplish the same thing, you actually have a better chance of ending up with a fair jury, believe it or not.

And, of course, we don't know who else was on the jury panel, right? So, there could have been others that the lawyers deemed more worthy of a peremptory than Veronica.

And, yes, I'm enough of a cynic and a realist to know that "fair & unbiased" isn't the goal of the legal teams. It's a high-stakes game of Risk, placing the right pieces in just the right places and abandoning the indefensible.