Season 3: Feedback to Rob

[Michelle]

raenstorm said:

Howdy... About a week or so ago I sent off your feedback to Rob. I summed up the responses at the top of the email and then included large chunks of your posts. Here's his email back to me:

Rae,

Thanks so much for sending this along.

VM fans should know this idea stemmed from our writers' room -- not the network.

The network has given us a very general note of "less confusing, please," and we think this would help them, but we're excited about the prospect of not dragging the BIG CASE out quite as long.

Here's what we like...

Easier to get guest cast for a seven/eight episode arc.
Mysteries unbroken by preemptions and repeats.
Easier for VM newbies to jump in at any given point.
Less confusing.

Here's what concerns us...

Sure, it's less confusing, but less detail may equal less reward.
Big Mysteries are difficult, and if we are doing three per year, can we continue to deliver the intrigue at the same level?

I believe we are going down this path. I really appreciate people taking time out to put in their two cents.

Rob

PS - Sue, I included a shamless plug/link to the S3 VM reviews. No guarantee that he'll read but never hurts to keep passing along the site to him! ;D

Thanks, Rae! It's good to get direct feedback from him. I'm a little confused by his "less detail may equal less reward" comment. Just because the mystery takes less time to solve doesn't necessarily mean the level of detail would diminish, does it? For example, I think that if all the time that this season has devoted specifically to the bus crash were to be smooshed together, (I believe that's the technical term) it would add up to no more than the equivalent of 3 or 4 episodes. The level of detail would remain the same, and only the length of time across the season would be reduced.

[Sue]

fotada said:

raenstorm said:

Howdy... About a week or so ago I sent off your feedback to Rob. I summed up the responses at the top of the email and then included large chunks of your posts. Here's his email back to me:

Rae,

Thanks so much for sending this along.

VM fans should know this idea stemmed from our writers' room -- not the network.

The network has given us a very general note of "less confusing, please," and we think this would help them, but we're excited about the prospect of not dragging the BIG CASE out quite as long.

Here's what we like...

Easier to get guest cast for a seven/eight episode arc.
Mysteries unbroken by preemptions and repeats.
Easier for VM newbies to jump in at any given point.
Less confusing.

Here's what concerns us...

Sure, it's less confusing, but less detail may equal less reward.
Big Mysteries are difficult, and if we are doing three per year, can we continue to deliver the intrigue at the same level?

I believe we are going down this path. I really appreciate people taking time out to put in their two cents.

Rob

PS - Sue, I included a shamless plug/link to the S3 VM reviews. No guarantee that he'll read but never hurts to keep passing along the site to him! ;D

Thanks, Rae! It's good to get direct feedback from him. I'm a little confused by his "less detail may equal less reward" comment. Just because the mystery takes less time to solve doesn't necessarily mean the level of detail would diminish, does it? For example, I think that if all the time that this season has devoted specifically to the bus crash were to be smooshed together, (I believe that's the technical term) it would add up to no more than the equivalent of 3 or 4 episodes. The level of detail would remain the same, and only the length of time across the season would be reduced.

Totally agree.

"24" uses this approach well. They start out with a crisis, but the same crisis doesn't last for the entire season. Jack saves the day only to find that there is another layer of crisis, usually masterminded by someone else.

For example, this season could have started with Felix's murder and within about 5-6 eps we could be where we are now---Thumper squooshed by the stadium. Then the bus crash---followed by a 6 episode arc on Meg, her death, the baby, Grace and the Mannings, Duncan, etc. Finally the last 7-8 eps could focus in on solving the bus crash with nearly all of the info being presented from scratch. If there were clues involved in the Felix's murder arc which apply or the Meg's baby arc I'm sure they could be re-worked into the episodes with flashbacks or voice-overs but the primary focus (outisde of the MOTW) would be the bus crash.

As Fotada said---it's not reducing the detail, just rearranging it.

[Sue]

Ooow. oow. oow.


(I think I tend to overthink these things.)

But----if the new CW would hire a marketing genius I think they could "change the face of television."

My concept:

Veronica Mars: A Season in Three Acts.


(a bit like what the SciFi channel does).



Late Sept thru mid November: an 8 episode arc: "ACT I"
Immediately repeated in it's entirety in order during the holiday season: (mid-Nov thru the first week of Jan.) Folks who don't want to watch holiday or sports specials or repeats of shows they watched all fall or have fallen out of love with shows introduced in Sept could watch from the beginning.

Meanwhile, fans like us could rewatch without interruption and see if we can catch the clues. (Or watch holiday specials, sports or other shows.)

VM: Season 3, ACT II: 2nd week of Jan thru the 3rd week of Feb: a 6 week arc---right through the middle of sweeps. Immediately repeated from the end of Feb. through the doldrums of March. Somewhere in Jan-March there is an extra week so you can fit 6 eps and 6 repeats in by the end of March.

VM: Season 3, THE FINAL ACT: April and May---an 8 season arc.


The arcs don't have to be completely free standing or unrelated as long as stuff brought in from season 1, season 2 or earlier in season 3 is adequately introduced/reviewed. (Like if rapes on campus is going to be a theme of season 3 then some reference has to be made to Veronica's rape, but with enough info that the new viewer knows that while she suffered mightily because she believed it was rape it turned out not to be.)


And, here's the thing: With the right marketing you make this into a very big deal!. Like a triology of acts; or 3 mini-series or mini-seasons. Instead of viewing it as some sort of drawback you capitalize on it and market the heck out of it.

People might be willing to try something new if they think they only need to commit 8 weeks to a full storyline. Really, that's about the time spent on a long feature film. (8x44 minutes = is barely 5.5 hours minus time for previews, previouslies, flashbacks, comic relief etc.)


Okay, time for me to stand down.

[Lola m]

sue said:

Ooow. oow. oow.


(I think I tend to overthink these things.)

But----if the new CW would hire a marketing genius I think they could "change the face of television."

My concept:

Veronica Mars: A Season in Three Acts.


(a bit like what the SciFi channel does).



Late Sept thru mid November: an 8 episode arc: "ACT I"
Immediately repeated in it's entirety in order during the holiday season: (mid-Nov thru the first week of Jan.) Folks who don't want to watch holiday or sports specials or repeats of shows they watched all fall or have fallen out of love with shows introduced in Sept could watch from the beginning.

Meanwhile, fans like us could rewatch without interruption and see if we can catch the clues. (Or watch holiday specials, sports or other shows.)

VM: Season 3, ACT II: 2nd week of Jan thru the 3rd week of Feb: a 6 week arc---right through the middle of sweeps. Immediately repeated from the end of Feb. through the doldrums of March. Somewhere in Jan-March there is an extra week so you can fit 6 eps and 6 repeats in by the end of March.

VM: Season 3, THE FINAL ACT: April and May---an 8 season arc.


The arcs don't have to be completely free standing or unrelated as long as stuff brought in from season 1, season 2 or earlier in season 3 is adequately introduced/reviewed. (Like if rapes on campus is going to be a theme of season 3 then some reference has to be made to Veronica's rape, but with enough info that the new viewer knows that while she suffered mightily because she believed it was rape it turned out not to be.)


And, here's the thing: With the right marketing you make this into a very big deal!. Like a triology of acts; or 3 mini-series or mini-seasons. Instead of viewing it as some sort of drawback you capitalize on it and market the heck out of it.

People might be willing to try something new if they think they only need to commit 8 weeks to a full storyline. Really, that's about the time spent on a long feature film. (8x44 minutes = is barely 5.5 hours minus time for previews, previouslies, flashbacks, comic relief etc.)


Okay, time for me to stand down.

**stares at Sue in awe and wonder**

Wow! From your fingers to the network's eyes!!

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