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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 20:00:26 GMT -5
Watch! Comment!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 20:12:45 GMT -5
The scene with Mac and V at the start was excellent. Both of them realising what their assumptions made them think . . . Keith, you should be soooo glad you didn't step into that trap yourself! Ah, a theme for the ep. Torture. How apt, what with the sorority thing and all. Interesting how Logan doesn't raise his hand . . . Oh tell me that Logan and Wallace end up partners, please!! ;D Playing prisoner and guard. She needs someone to blend in at the sorority and here comes Veronica. Oh, yeah, that's gonna work real well. "I think it's the gateway to hell." #rofl1# I love V so much. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 20:25:55 GMT -5
**snicker** Love how Veronica is now using "frak" regularly. #smirk# OK - Veronica's dress scares me almost as much as the girls do. Ah, and now we meet one of the "good" ones - Margery. So, does she turn out to actually be not good, is this a swicheroo? Or will she be another friend/connection that V gains? The prisoner and guard thing is going to be very interesting. The first guard gets "tough" and now we see if the rest fall in line or not. What will Wallace do? What will Logan do? Eeeep! Liam!! So, we see one instance of torture in a non-classroom setting. And there goes ex-con brother. Run, Keith, run!!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 20:41:05 GMT -5
Stripper!waiter Dick. Too funny! "Fulfilling my destiny." ;D Heh, and V keeps running into people she knows while she tries to play "drunk and willing". #rofl1# Great lines in this ep. ;D "We have the faux lesbian dance." "Did you get a puppy." "Vomit is the new mace." ;D ;D Hmmmm. So are there really no issues at the sorority? Maybe the drivers of the safe cars? Or . . . . are they hiding something? Or is the paper holding a grudge? I really don't like this guard guy. Or . . . maybe he's a plant by the prof to see if the other guards will join him? So, Wallace gave him sweat pants.
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Post by Sara on Oct 10, 2006 20:50:05 GMT -5
I'm also a big fan of VM's embracing the "frak." And I want that kid heading up the guards to die a painful death.
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Post by Sara on Oct 10, 2006 20:57:50 GMT -5
Okay, I needed to see more payback visited upon Captain Uncourageous there. That was kinda unsatisfying.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 21:01:18 GMT -5
I'm also a big fan of VM's embracing the "frak." And I want that kid heading up the guards to die a painful death. Interesting that the kid he picked on the most was so forgiving afterwards.
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Post by Sara on Oct 10, 2006 21:04:15 GMT -5
Sorry that you had to start this up, Lola. Since it looks like VM doesn't have a tech among the moderators, I'm hereby volunteering to set up episode threads from here on out. But if someone could remind me the first couple of weeks until I've gotten into the habit of it, I'd be most appreciative.
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Post by artemis on Oct 10, 2006 21:05:24 GMT -5
so i guess when cormac said kendall wasn't a good judge of character after all, he was referring to himself.
i was right that someone long into long-term scams wouldn't be so stupid as to keep all the money in an easily accessible place. wasn't cormac supposedly a scam artist too? you'd think he'd have known something that obvious.
logan's openness about their relationship to his classmates tonight stood in stark contrast to veronica's evasiveness to piz last week. her response about star-crossed lovers felt kind of like another poke at the fans.
i'm making it sound like i disliked this episode, but i didn't. i liked the wallace-logan screentime and how wallace seems to be remembering what it is he liked about logan last year. i liked the theme of "how far undercover do you go"- is the identity you take on really a part of you you don't usually show? or is it just pretending? wallace and his seat-neighbor clearly had opposing ideas of this, as did veronica and marjory. veronica's exposing the sorority mirrored keith's story - both of them doing what they thought was best, leading to unintended consequences that caused harm.
more thoughts after i read the other posts.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 21:09:04 GMT -5
Heee! Logan staging the escape. The battle of brains between Logan and Wallace - Logan planing the fake address, Wallace faking the time. And they had a side bet going, so we get to see Logan streak. ;D
Wallace, Wallace, Wallace. "That happens to me all the time." #rofl1#
Veronica breaks the story, but she doesn't want to. She's learned from her time in High School to see more than just the surface. She doesn't want to see all the sorority girls as bad or all the non-sorority types as bad either. She walks in the complex grey area. She is soooo gonna get on the bad side of everyone at college. ;D
Heee! Veronica not acknowledging Keith's " 'Sup".
Ah, it was the painting in the case!! I still say Kendall is alive and hiding from Liam.
Hmmmm. We have Veronica laying out the clues for us a bit more . . . directly than we've seen in seasons past.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 21:10:00 GMT -5
Sorry that you had to start this up, Lola. Since it looks like VM doesn't have a tech among the moderators, I'm hereby volunteering to set up episode threads from here on out. But if someone could remind me the first couple of weeks until I've gotten into the habit of it, I'd be most appreciative. No problemo! It really isn't hard, I just can't do the sticky thing. I'll try to remember to send you a PM or something.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 10, 2006 21:15:29 GMT -5
so i guess when cormac said kendall wasn't a good judge of character after all, he was referring to himself. i was right that someone long into long-term scams wouldn't be so stupid as to keep all the money in an easily accessible place. wasn't cormac supposedly a scam artist too? you'd think he'd have known something that obvious. Maybe he was knowledgable about scams, but not art. **nods** Definitely something we're meant to notice. Deep down, they have some issues. Nice comparison of Wallace to Veronica in this ep - each taking on a role and handling it differently. I hadn't thought of it quite like that, but they are definitely mirror images here. And Wallace kept a core of himself while Veronica sort of didn't. I think that is a big part of what she really didn't like about the situation afterwards. Also, the complication when you're working to, somewhat, fullfill a pre-decided upon agenda, rather than just investigating - like when you are a (good) detective.
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Post by Sara on Oct 10, 2006 21:16:20 GMT -5
Sorry that you had to start this up, Lola. Since it looks like VM doesn't have a tech among the moderators, I'm hereby volunteering to set up episode threads from here on out. But if someone could remind me the first couple of weeks until I've gotten into the habit of it, I'd be most appreciative. No problemo! It really isn't hard, I just can't do the sticky thing. I'll try to remember to send you a PM or something. Yeah, I mostly meant the part where I could sticky the thread and unsticky the previous week's. Otherwise no, starting a thread is definitely not brain surgery. Actually, making it stick isn't either--but don't tell anyone.
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Post by artemis on Oct 10, 2006 21:18:28 GMT -5
The battle of brains between Logan and Wallace - Logan planing the fake address, Wallace faking the time. it was great fun, wasn't it? ;D ;D i had so much love for wallace in this episode. it's always great to see him outside of his relationship with veronica. indeed. i think that h.s.!veronica might not have been so quick to abandon the newspaper, either. (especially since reporting was a long-standing extracurricular for her.) veronica has gotten better at knowing when it's smartest to simply abandon something. i agree. a tiny bit of blood spatter does not a dead kendall make. yeah, i did not like that. it made me feel like i was the one sitting in the classroom listening to a lecture. i can't imagine how hard it was for mac to be living with a rape victim. wish we'd seen more of her and her reactions in this episode. (new viewers must've been so confused about that angle.)
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Post by artemis on Oct 10, 2006 21:29:19 GMT -5
Nice comparison of Wallace to Veronica in this ep - each taking on a role and handling it differently. I hadn't thought of it quite like that, but they are definitely mirror images here. And Wallace kept a core of himself while Veronica sort of didn't. I think that is a big part of what she really didn't like about the situation afterwards. Also, the complication when you're working to, somewhat, fullfill a pre-decided upon agenda, rather than just investigating - like when you are a (good) detective. wallace and logan both kept their core identities during the experiment - they both behaved exactly as we would expect them to behave. and wallace also expected the head guard to behave in a certain way, and based his strategy partly on that; whereas i got the sense that the woman at the newspaper expected veronica to behave in a certain way as well, and picked her for the story partly because of that. i think it's interesting that veronica just wanted to photograph, but the other woman refused that; if the woman had respected veronica's wishes, would veronica even be working at the library now? but then - if veronica had said no to the assignment, would she be working at the library now? the question of individual agency and of how much of our lives is in our own power seems to be a big theme so far this season - themes like rape, prison, torture, scams - as well as how we let these outside events shape our identity and alter our choices.
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