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Post by Pixi on Nov 22, 2006 10:40:44 GMT -5
You guys think it might be Dick? As the rapist? I like the reasoning about the prank, etc. but really Dick? I simply can't imagine Rob going there after Beaver last year. And why would Dick have raped the girl from "The Rapes of Graff" last season?
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Post by leftylady on Nov 22, 2006 11:13:02 GMT -5
Have not read others' comments yet. Since I got home late last night and was falling asleep while I watched my VM tape, I'll need to rewatch to make sure I got everything straight.
Wanted to say though:
Easter Egg!! ;D
Not just a viewer bonus hidden away, but a literal Easter Egg!
I'm not sure I'm getting the LoVe dynamics lately. The previews skewed the encounters more than just a tad. I'm also not sure that I don't really hate the idiotic aerie.com. What's with the end message of: "LoVe (divided by sign) Piz = what?" followed by go to the website. If they are looking for feedback they wouldn't like what I would have to say!! (grrrh aaarghh!)
leftylady
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Post by Michelle on Nov 22, 2006 11:21:12 GMT -5
You guys think it might be Dick? As the rapist? I like the reasoning about the prank, etc. but really Dick? I simply can't imagine Rob going there after Beaver last year. And why would Dick have raped the girl from "The Rapes of Graff" last season? I don't think Dick is the rapist. You're right--it's probably going to be Moe, but I also think there will be a lot more to solving the mystery. As is typical of the show Veronica Mars--no Occam's Razer for them. Thanks for reading my review of the last ep, Pixi! I appreciate your comments. It's hard to see the tidal wave of fans moving away from the show. If this is the last season, I hope Rob Thomas goes out with a bang, not a whimper.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 22, 2006 11:31:24 GMT -5
You guys think it might be Dick? As the rapist? I like the reasoning about the prank, etc. but really Dick? I simply can't imagine Rob going there after Beaver last year. And why would Dick have raped the girl from "The Rapes of Graff" last season? I think it might be ANYBODY: I have NO idea. I'm just enjoying the ride, and babbling "could be"s along the way....
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Post by Sue on Nov 22, 2006 14:28:34 GMT -5
Look at this sad little thread - only 2 pages, whereas Heroes was 12 pages the next day at this time. But it's only an accurate reflection on a show that just doesn't get it anymore. Sigh! I've been sadly remiss in commenting on the reviews, mostly because my VM love is at an all time low but you did a terrific job Fotada on your last review. I read it and enjoyed it but just didn't have that much to say. My reactions to this show: Dohring gives another of his spectacular "This is how you act Ladies and Gentlemen" performances in Lord of the Pis and manages to break into a thousand tiny, hurting pieces at the end of the episode. As an acting teacher I just enjoy the amazing way he uses his face to say a thousand words without opening his mouth. So, so sweet. I also enjoyed the fact that he got a chance to reclaim his balls and speak up for himself - FINALLY - in this episode. His calling Veronica out on her desire to have him change was magnificent. A great scene that both Bell and Dohring nailed. I was not that big a fan of this episode. It had it's moments but overall it left me with a "eh" feeling. Yea, yea, Veronica sort of, kind of says I love you with about so little enthusiasm and emphasis that it really meant nothing. Couple that with the ignoring the phone call almost immediately afterwards means that it was just a throw the fans a bone, take it away again right away moment. That's not the love scene I've been waiting to see. Things to like: Ryan Hansen is always such a shot in the arm in the episode. Loved every minute he was onscreen. Keith and Veronica go to Disneyland. That was a cute scene, a little casual for someone breaking into someone's property for me but the lines were cute. Dean O'Dell - I just become more and more a fan each time I see him. He is doing a magnificent job. Logan - for knowing he stepped over the line and hired a bodyguard but doing it anyway, for standing up to Keith, for standing up to Veronica and for once again getting his heart shattered. The best thing about Veronica Mars for me. This is where my heart is, this is why I keep watching. Things to dislike: All the Veronica fans will jump all over me for this but I find it very, very hard to even like Veronica any more. Where are the underlying hints of vulnerability that made her snarky responses in Season 1 so heartbreaking? Where is the feeling, the empathy, the compassion? Why should I care what happens to her when she treats almost everyone so badly including her father and her boyfriend? I have tried to understand (if the writers had even half a brain they would have Veronica suffering nightmares or flashbacks to her rape, things that show us how this is affecting her and then she hides this pain by her uberbitchy/ubersarcastic lines and then, then we would sympathize) Why should I sympathize now? I honestly feel sort of clueless about the rapist. I guess the only person left standing in the field of possibilities is Moe. He does have keys to all the rooms, he made that comment about the sociology experiment changing him, I honestly have no idea who else it could be. Mercer - no, has an alibi. Feminists - no, not all of them. Parker, the one from last year - real rapes. Piz - sadly no. (obviously a future love interest of the blech, boring Duncan mode) Professor Landry - just an adulterer not a rapist Dick - no Tim Foyle - no. Who else is left? Has to be Moe. What a boring resolution. Someone barely seen and who cares. I'm seeing these kinds of lists everywhere since the resolution is next week so I just thought I'd add in my two cents. What does everyone else think? You've heard my guess and he's not even in your list: the Dean.
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Post by KMInfinity on Nov 23, 2006 10:28:30 GMT -5
I’m someone who really liked last night’s episode. This is the kind of episode that could serve as a conclusion. Mystery solved. The rapes were fake. Add a bit of exposition here or there and it’s a wrap.
Except… There’s a bunch of small anomalies that nicely put the whole arc in that “shades of gray” area, which some here have already mentioned, notably, that all the rapes couldn’t have been fake. Did the fake-rapers “do” veronica too? Who did Chip? Doubtful it was the women-why plant a clue that gave them a motive to start the whole rape-campaign to begin with? So what seems to be an episode where we move closer to the truth is actually an episode that muddies the mystery even more. Love it.
I do wonder if maybe one of the women has struck out on her own. Instead of just “faking a rape” with her fellow conspirators, she’s also adding to the rape list with Parker and others. That lack of DNA evidence sure is puzzling. I forget, (and didn’t tape-my bad) did Veronica say there was no forensic evidence? “cause that’s another whole level of lack of evidence beyond no “DNA” evidence.
Other early arc plaudits
*The character development this season arc is excellent, especially the way the relationship between Logan and Veronica was so carefully character driven. I disagree with those who think the LoVe relationship is badly written. I think this is exactly how the two of them should be behaving with each other. It’s a truism that love sometimes just isn’t enough and I think that’s true in their case. They have a lot of “changing” to do before either of them will be happy in this relationship. I also like that even minor characters are once again uniquely realized. The character of Dick deserves special mention. At the end of S2 I really had no interest in ever seeing him again. Now I’m hoping we see more of him as his actions and motivations are explored.
*Themes ware being handled well, especially “judging a book by its cover,” “trust” and “vengeance VS justice.”
*The dialogue overall maintains its snarky, witty, nuanced quality, and this episode shone in that area!
And I was worried that shorter arcs wouldn’t leave the writers room for complexity.
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Post by KMInfinity on Nov 23, 2006 10:36:23 GMT -5
Look at this sad little thread - only 2 pages, whereas Heroes was 12 pages the next day at this time. Well I certainly will get over to the Heroes thread at some point today or this weekend, and I don't know enough of the posting habits of the Scubies to understand a trend like that on this board, but I do want to mention that most people I know IRL who watch Heroes are extremely irritated with the misleading promo that led up to the most recent episode and are annoyed that the promised reveal didn't occur. So maybe the thread length for Heroes is a sign of folks' dissatisfaction? Because I have been a big fan of both shows, and I gotta say I enjoyed VM far more than Heroes this past week. In fact, if the present trends continue at Heroes, I may be dropping it from my "must watch" schedule. (Treading lightly, since I hear on good authority that comparisons are odious. )
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Post by Rob on Nov 24, 2006 1:04:15 GMT -5
Look at this sad little thread - only 2 pages, whereas Heroes was 12 pages the next day at this time. Well I certainly will get over to the Heroes thread at some point today or this weekend, and I don't know enough of the posting habits of the Scubies to understand a trend like that on this board, but I do want to mention that most people I know IRL who watch Heroes are extremely irritated with the misleading promo that led up to the most recent episode and are annoyed that the promised reveal didn't occur. So maybe the thread length for Heroes is a sign of folks' dissatisfaction? Because I have been a big fan of both shows, and I gotta say I enjoyed VM far more than Heroes this past week. In fact, if the present trends continue at Heroes, I may be dropping it from my "must watch" schedule. (Treading lightly, since I hear on good authority that comparisons are odious. ) I don't think the difference in postings signals anything significant...at least around here. Heroes is a brand new show with an enormous landscape of possibilities, both in plot and character evolution. VM, by contrast, contains characters we already know (for the most part), with a much simpler storyline. Therefore, other than speculation regarding the rapist's identity, there's really not much to talk about. I put in my two cents regarding Veronica/Logan last week. Nothing has happened to change my viewpoint. If anything, this episode makes me even more sure that Logan just doesn't get it. Just for fun, I'm going to try once more to sum things up as I see them. Hopefully, since I'm not emotionally invested in the Logan/Veronica relationship, I can present things as objectively as possible: Veronica has a negative, distrustful attitude toward life in general. This is a a very bad relationship trait, no question. When it comes to her actions, however, the girl does right by herself far more often than not. She overcomes her modest financial circumstances (due to her mother's betrayal) with work study, focuses hard on academics, helps clients overcome Neptune's corrupt system by solving cases (often for free) and oh, by the way, catching rapists and murderers. Logan, by contrast, virtually ignores his academics, goes on regular benders to Tijuana and gambles away significant portions of his trust fund. On the plus side, he definitely loves Veronica, has a great heart when he chooses to show it and clearly loves to surf. Surfing never hurt anyone. After reading the above, I honestly can't believe anyone would think Veronica has as much growing up to do as Logan. Now, did Veronica have huge advantages though high school? Of course; she had Keith, Wallace, Mac, etc. There were solid, loyal people in her life. Logan had no such benefits. Thing is, there's a big difference between recognizing the context of Logan's actions and rationalizing them. He needs to understand his actions are self-destructive, and change them. It's really that simple. Now, is Veronica qualified to be his guide through that journey? As I see it, that's the biggest question LoVe 'shippers need to ponder. In short, I'm totally on board with Veronica and Logan sharing the need to grow up before the relationship can work...but in no way do I see their problems as equal. Logan has to genuinely show interest in adjusting his lifestyle; as of yet, I've seen no evidence of this. Veronica, on the other hand, has at least identified her problem and expressed a desire to change.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 24, 2006 17:06:27 GMT -5
Well I certainly will get over to the Heroes thread at some point today or this weekend, and I don't know enough of the posting habits of the Scubies to understand a trend like that on this board, but I do want to mention that most people I know IRL who watch Heroes are extremely irritated with the misleading promo that led up to the most recent episode and are annoyed that the promised reveal didn't occur. So maybe the thread length for Heroes is a sign of folks' dissatisfaction? Because I have been a big fan of both shows, and I gotta say I enjoyed VM far more than Heroes this past week. In fact, if the present trends continue at Heroes, I may be dropping it from my "must watch" schedule. (Treading lightly, since I hear on good authority that comparisons are odious. ) I don't think the difference in postings signals anything significant...at least around here. Heroes is a brand new show with an enormous landscape of possibilities, both in plot and character evolution. VM, by contrast, contains characters we already know (for the most part), with a much simpler storyline. Therefore, other than speculation regarding the rapist's identity, there's really not much to talk about. I put in my two cents regarding Veronica/Logan last week. Nothing has happened to change my viewpoint. If anything, this episode makes me even more sure that Logan just doesn't get it. Just for fun, I'm going to try once more to sum things up as I see them. Hopefully, since I'm not emotionally invested in the Logan/Veronica relationship, I can present things as objectively as possible: Veronica has a negative, distrustful attitude toward life in general. This is a a very bad relationship trait, no question. When it comes to her actions, however, the girl does right by herself far more often than not. She overcomes her modest financial circumstances (due to her mother's betrayal) with work study, focuses hard on academics, helps clients overcome Neptune's corrupt system by solving cases (often for free) and oh, by the way, catching rapists and murderers. Logan, by contrast, virtually ignores his academics, goes on regular benders to Tijuana and gambles away significant portions of his trust fund. On the plus side, he definitely loves Veronica, has a great heart when he chooses to show it and clearly loves to surf. Surfing never hurt anyone. After reading the above, I honestly can't believe anyone would think Veronica has as much growing up to do as Logan. Now, did Veronica have huge advantages though high school? Of course; she had Keith, Wallace, Mac, etc. There were solid, loyal people in her life. Logan had no such benefits. Thing is, there's a big difference between recognizing the context of Logan's actions and rationalizing them. He needs to understand his actions are self-destructive, and change them. It's really that simple. Now, is Veronica qualified to be his guide through that journey? As I see it, that's the biggest question LoVe 'shippers need to ponder. In short, I'm totally on board with Veronica and Logan sharing the need to grow up before the relationship can work...but in no way do I see their problems as equal. Logan has to genuinely show interest in adjusting his lifestyle; as of yet, I've seen no evidence of this. Veronica, on the other hand, has at least identified her problem and expressed a desire to change. Yes, good thoughts, Rob. I like Veronica and Logan both, independently as characters. They are an interesting couple with a lot of possibilities . . . I think that they will end up wiht more positives than negatives coming out of the relationship, for both of them. But they are both young, with lots of growing to do. Oh, and ROB! Don't you owe me, like $100 or something? Didn't we bet on that OSU/Michigan game?
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Post by Rob on Nov 25, 2006 2:16:14 GMT -5
Oh, and ROB! Don't you owe me, like $100 or something? Didn't we bet on that OSU/Michigan game? I don't recall any wagering. Maybe we can bet on the rematch in January.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 25, 2006 8:49:23 GMT -5
Oh, and ROB! Don't you owe me, like $100 or something? Didn't we bet on that OSU/Michigan game? I don't recall any wagering. Maybe we can bet on the rematch in January. ACCKKK!! A rematch is soooo WRONG! Michigan took their shot, bumbling though it might have been. To let them reload and reaim . . . evil! And just to keep this on topic, I'm sure Wallace would agree with me. Only that big Wolverine fan. . . Aaron Echolls . . . if he wasn't so dead, would want to see a rematch. And now - I must finish my VM review.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 25, 2006 11:25:59 GMT -5
Teaser
Selma Rose
Hearst college origins
Chip. What's the context?
Veronica avoiding Logan? But he doesn't let her go
Logan taking the protective angle. Grr. Argh.
So how much digging around has Veronica done? Or are we to take this as evidence that she has done a lot since the last episode?
Was the drugging just a warning then?
They didn't notice she wasn't there till just then?
Ooh, pretty lighting.
Yeah, I wouldn't stop investigating, but I sure wouldn't walk alone at night for a while.
The Sherif is an idiot. I've met smarter sandwiches. There've been so many references to Lamb being incompetent, that I gotta think he's gonna turn out to be really clever some how.
Riots?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 25, 2006 11:29:15 GMT -5
Part I
Oh, so she was at the reception. OK.
Oh, this chick.
So Selma Rose disappeared into the kitchen?
Sex Quest 06. The CCC thing?
Dude, this guy? Sycophant.
Hey, it's that guy!
Reform
So her advisor was calling Selma? Did Selma have a cell phone?
Martina Vasquez. News anchor.
It's Veronica! HEE!!!!
BWAH HAH HAH!!!!!!
So Dick actually did get in to the Pi Sigs.
Dick is gonna be the one to figure this out. He's simple and direct.
Oh, Chips head was shaved and he was drugged. That was the big deal.
Dick's wearing argyle.
Ko-jacked.
Worst easter egg hunt ever. Ain't that the truth.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 25, 2006 11:32:00 GMT -5
Part II
Fulfilling my gym requirement
You really wrecked 'em. Groan.
Bonnie. Not so walk of shame. OK.
Everyone's got a different view of Selma Rose.
accident/paralysis.
111. 903. Or are these abbreviations?
Wallace. Hee.
A day. 3 years, 2 days ago.
I don't think Veronica would get library keys just because she works in the library. I never did.
Some one else in the library. Janitor. Hee.
An 09er. And one of those bikini babes. And a sorority chick.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 25, 2006 11:33:19 GMT -5
Part III
Oh, she was a Theta Beta
Gossip queen.
Brant is a more proactive Mr. Smithers.
Keith and Veronica banter. Love it.
Veronica makes the reference herself! Awesome.
Just like that time we went to Disneyland. Hee!
Doggies!
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