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Post by Pixi on Jan 24, 2007 14:57:32 GMT -5
Hee - nice storyline for Mac and well-played from the pullback to the attack kiss. Bronson is a little too cutieboy for my tastes but I'm happy Mac is back in the game. Awwww. And of course it was the sister. Isn't it always? Cutie boy? My god, I am astonished at how many of you gals seem to think he's cute, nice looking etc. That young man is jsut plain ugly! *shivers* I don't like his looks... if I met that person in real life, they might be the nicest person in the world but I would be repulsed by their features. Unfair, but true. Vlad Well I didn't think he was cute. But he does have that cutieboy aura. It's kind of hard to explain.
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Post by KMInfinity on Jan 24, 2007 17:46:26 GMT -5
A really nice episode to get back in the groove.
I'm another who thinks BeachGirl is too simplistic for a more permanent LoVe roadblock. I'm wondering if there's more to it than merely that Logan had some meaningless sex while "on a break." Veronica's line about "never getting past it" seems a little extreme, given the situation.
I know it makes sense that we won't see all the major ensemble players each week, but I do miss Wallace. I wish there were a way to tie him more closely to Veronica's daily routine. Yes, having a significant role in the plot (such as Mac's, this week) is better than a "token" appearance, but even better would be an organic sensible reason for him to interact with her regularly. Since we're all thinking about the connection with Friends, with the Rachel and Ross break, I'm wondering if it'd be silly if Mac and Veronica and Wallace all get an apartment? (But then that leaves Keith alone. hmmmm.....)
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Post by Sue on Jan 24, 2007 18:23:58 GMT -5
A really nice episode to get back in the groove. I'm another who thinks BeachGirl is too simplistic for a more permanent LoVe roadblock. I'm wondering if there's more to it than merely that Logan had some meaningless sex while "on a break." Veronica's line about "never getting past it" seems a little extreme, given the situation. I know it makes sense that we won't see all the major ensemble players each week, but I do miss Wallace. I wish there were a way to tie him more closely to Veronica's daily routine. Yes, having a significant role in the plot (such as Mac's, this week) is better than a "token" appearance, but even better would be an organic sensible reason for him to interact with her regularly. Since we're all thinking about the connection with Friends, with the Rachel and Ross break, I'm wondering if it'd be silly if Mac and Veronica and Wallace all get an apartment? (But then that leaves Keith alone. hmmmm.....) I'm thinking maybe Logan lies to her about BeachGirl. And she blows her stack not over the sexual hook-up, but over the lie. Sharing an apt is a great idea; Keith needs a girlfriend, but NOT married lady. Some thoughts I had early about making time for supporting characters and expanding relationships: At the end of last year we were distraught over the thought of shorter arcs and I know I (and I'm guessing others) would have been really distressed at the thought of presenting VM in a standalone episodes format. While I know nothing about Rob's intentions for the future I have had these thoughts: As heretical as it sounds, I might not hate a stand alone format. Yes, the first season was great but trying to play a mystery out over a long period while balancing handing out just enough clues but not too much is an incredibly difficult balancing act and takes focus away from other things. Since I "work" at home and I flip stations while cooking or folding laundry, etc. I run into old reruns of formula shows from the 90's, 80's, 70's. Some were horrid and the more they stuck to a predetermined formula they less I liked them. But take, for instance, Magnum P.I. Each week he solved a mystery but there was no formula (crime lab, perry mason style confession, columbo type investigation) to how he went about it. There was HUGE variety in the type of mystery; who was the villain, what the motive was, who was in danger, even the structure of each episode; and especially the use of supporting characters. One downside of the current VM format is that in addition to introducing, supplying motivation and clues, and solving a MOTW in 44 minutes RT is also forced to include some moving forward of the longer arc mystery as well. This is one thing that contributes to Veronica and Keith being at the center so much and leaves so so little time for supporting characters and relationship development. (Think of Magnum's long-term development of TC, Rick and Higgins and episodes that focused on each of them as individuals.) Yes, but it worked for Buffy, you say. Well, not exactly in the same way. For one thing once the season long monster was introduced you didn't have to keep it a mystery. Also, there were whole episodes which had little or nothing to do with the longer arc, especially in the early episodes of each season. Yes, in retrospect sometimes tiny little things were introduced that later showed to have more significance but most episodes revolved around the MOTW and developing the characters as persons and the relationships between/amongst them. If VM went primarily to a standalone episode format it is possible that that would leave a lot more time/scope for developing the characters as individuals and also examining their relationships with one another. And.....there could be tiny little clues in individual episodes which eventually take on larger meaning in future episodes or 2 or 3 parters. Little clues that we have no way of knowing are even relevant until later in the season when a mystery is introduced that harkens back to those other clues. Maybe we could go into a season not actually knowing what crime will be the central mystery but strewing lots of tiny bits along the way until the crime is finally committed. I think it's definitely worth exploring and could actually add to the multidimensionalism of VM. It's never good to get too locked in to any format---even that of a longer mystery arc. Maybe Rob will come up with another mystery that takes 9 episodes or 22 episodes or 3 years to solve, but meanwhile it seems to me that maybe he also has some great "short stories" to tell----especially ones that center around other characters, potentially.
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Post by jeff on Jan 24, 2007 19:07:33 GMT -5
The thing I am having problems with is this, Season 1 main arc was about the Murder of Lily Kane, Veronica's best friend. Very personal, and really emotional to her.
Season 2 was about the bus crash involving people at V's school, Not her best friends but people she knew. Also very personal. but it dealt with the people she loved as well.
Season 3 has been about a serial rapist, which in a way was personal for V, considering she was raped, but it didnt have that personal feel to me, and now it looks to be about who shot the Dean, also not a very perosonable situation, its more about her solving a crime and trying to get her on again, off again, relationship in order.
This dissapoints me, I dont feel the show is going as deep as it did the first 2 seasons, she has no real relationship with these people , other than Logan and Mac. Wallace isnt around much, it seems the show has lost that certain something that made me feel for Veronica , and really hope she solves the case, so far I have not cared if she solves a case that has happened this season. I feel they need that big event that will drive our Ms Mars to really want and need to solve the case.
of course as always this is just IMO
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 20:46:18 GMT -5
Sorta slow here, so far . . . I spent much of my evening battling with the install of my Norton upgrade and cursing all software, everywhere. Oh, I meant the show was kinda slow, not the board. Hope your Norton upgrade went OK . . .
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 20:47:42 GMT -5
now mind you I am a meat and potatoes kind of Guy , but seeing V and Mac pose naked with those signs would have gotten me closer to becoming a vegitarian than I ever have. Well, as the slutty girl said to Logan: "You're bad!"
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 20:52:28 GMT -5
I am sorry to say this but I would not have been opposed to VIZ paring, I am just over V and L not being able to get on the same page for very long, if not Piz then someone else. I know I am in the minority on this. I'm with you, actually. For my part, I'm not opposed to a VIZ pairing (is that what the hip kids are calling it?). God forbid Veronica becomes attracted to a decent-looking, less complicated guy...at least for the time being. Having said that, I'm not exactly in favor of VIZ either; I'm just looking for something interesting. The tempestuous, weeks-on, weeks-off relationship might be realistic for many 18-19 year old couples, but from a storytelling standpoint I find it wearisome. If Rob Thomas wants to break them up, just do that and stick with it for a while. Too many breakups and reconciliations will render the big relationship moments meaningless. I found Mac's budding relationship far more interesting because it was new and different. This can be done a lot more often, IMO...because Rob Thomas has created a universe with several interesting and likable characters. He'd do well to take a bit of the load away from Veronica and focus more on the ensemble. P.S. Hey, lookee here! I managed to get all the way through this post without expressing my extreme annoyance that every supporting character had things to do except Wallace. I'm a team player. Yes - I don't want to see endless "on and off" or endless "pining away for my one true love" stuff. It's realistic and normal and OK for awhile . . . but I would want to see them either let V/L stay together for awhile, or break them up for good (or a good long while, anyhow). VIZ: Just not feeling the love or sizzle. Would be an even worse snoozer than the endless on-off. WALLACE: We shall surely see more of him. I was glad we saw more of Mac, though, and that Parker was becoming more rounded out as a character. Veronica needs some gal pals.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 20:56:02 GMT -5
Yep, yep, yep, yep. Trainwreck, here we come. Well I don't fault Logan for being with someone else - they were broken up and Logan sure didn't look like he enjoyed that blowjob very much but I have a feeling he's going to try and hide it. And that will trigger the veronicater and angst and bring on the Piz. Sigh! Still - this was done well. This is how people do act during a breakup. Unhappy, trying to hook up, reconciling. Very well done. Yes, it really was realistic for the age group and for Veronica & Logan - breaking up, Logan looking for solace in "just sex" sex, Veronica showing up because he's on her mind and things are still hot between them and she can't stay away; neither one being able to resist the attraction once she shows up at his doorstep . . . it all works. I am wondering about the fall out from Logan's indiscretion, though. I got the feeling from the trailers there was going to be "more to it" than Veronica just feeling hurt about him being with someone else.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 21:00:23 GMT -5
Well I don't fault Logan for being with someone else - they were broken up and Logan sure didn't look like he enjoyed that blowjob very much but I have a feeling he's going to try and hide it. Yup, they were on a break... And Beach Girl wins the "Most Appalling Things Said Afterwards" award. Poor Logan. Oh, yes. I'd forgotten her reference to Aaron. Exactly the most appalling thing she could have said (I think I'm quoting Giles, here). It was really creepy when she said that, and definitely set the tone for the encounter.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 21:06:32 GMT -5
(disclaimer: not, of course, condoning one night stands no matter what the sitch but still): Sex is Logan's "drug of choice." Some people drink, some do drugs, some overcaffinate, some throw themselves into work, some spend endless hours on the internet, some shop. Of course, none of those activities is inherently bad when done in moderation, right motivation, yada yada. But when Logan is hurting.....he chooses sex to try to mask the hurt, avoid, deny, just feel better for the moment. Of course the "hangover" (each addiction mentioned above has it's own unique hangover repercussions) just intensifies the hurt and you spiral into a vicious cycle. And in this particular case when Logan is hit with "Aaron Echolls' son" the knife is twisted all the more in his gut. Logan knows that the sex isn't going to make his life any better---he's just using it to make the pain go away, however briefly. I don't approve but rationally V shouldn't hold it any more against him than going on a huge bender. But that's why sex is worse---it's not just physical like drinking---it involves another human being and an additional emotional pain component to everyone involved no matter how much they may try to deny it. Excellently put. Did no one else get the idea from the trailers that Veronica's upset was going to be about more than just the fact that Logan had sex so soon after their break-up?
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 21:08:47 GMT -5
Cutie boy? My god, I am astonished at how many of you gals seem to think he's cute, nice looking etc. That young man is jsut plain ugly! *shivers* I don't like his looks... if I met that person in real life, they might be the nicest person in the world but I would be repulsed by their features. Unfair, but true. Vlad Well I didn't think he was cute. But he does have that cutieboy aura. It's kind of hard to explain. He's a cutie pie! And that is final. Not classically handsome, or "drop dead gorgeous" by any stretch of the imagination - but still - cute! Nice face, good body . . . what's not to like? I can see why Mac would be attracted. I hope he is as nice as he seems to be. Mac does not need another "betrayal" type scenario, or she'll never trust herself again!
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 21:09:59 GMT -5
A really nice episode to get back in the groove. I'm another who thinks BeachGirl is too simplistic for a more permanent LoVe roadblock. I'm wondering if there's more to it than merely that Logan had some meaningless sex while "on a break." Veronica's line about "never getting past it" seems a little extreme, given the situation. I know it makes sense that we won't see all the major ensemble players each week, but I do miss Wallace. I wish there were a way to tie him more closely to Veronica's daily routine. Yes, having a significant role in the plot (such as Mac's, this week) is better than a "token" appearance, but even better would be an organic sensible reason for him to interact with her regularly. Since we're all thinking about the connection with Friends, with the Rachel and Ross break, I'm wondering if it'd be silly if Mac and Veronica and Wallace all get an apartment? (But then that leaves Keith alone. hmmmm.....) OK - so someone else does have the feeling that there will be "more to" Veronica's upset. I guess we shall see next week.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 21:12:08 GMT -5
The thing I am having problems with is this, Season 1 main arc was about the Murder of Lily Kane, Veronica's best friend. Very personal, and really emotional to her. Season 2 was about the bus crash involving people at V's school, Not her best friends but people she knew. Also very personal. but it dealt with the people she loved as well. Season 3 has been about a serial rapist, which in a way was personal for V, considering she was raped, but it didnt have that personal feel to me, and now it looks to be about who shot the Dean, also not a very perosonable situation, its more about her solving a crime and trying to get her on again, off again, relationship in order. This dissapoints me, I dont feel the show is going as deep as it did the first 2 seasons, she has no real relationship with these people , other than Logan and Mac. Wallace isnt around much, it seems the show has lost that certain something that made me feel for Veronica , and really hope she solves the case, so far I have not cared if she solves a case that has happened this season. I feel they need that big event that will drive our Ms Mars to really want and need to solve the case. of course as always this is just IMO I know what you mean, but maybe it is just a symptom of the uncertainity that surrounds the show, when it comes to renewal. I would like to see it get renewed for a full secure season 4, and see what Rob T does with it.
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Post by jeff on Jan 24, 2007 22:22:19 GMT -5
The thing I am having problems with is this, Season 1 main arc was about the Murder of Lily Kane, Veronica's best friend. Very personal, and really emotional to her. Season 2 was about the bus crash involving people at V's school, Not her best friends but people she knew. Also very personal. but it dealt with the people she loved as well. Season 3 has been about a serial rapist, which in a way was personal for V, considering she was raped, but it didnt have that personal feel to me, and now it looks to be about who shot the Dean, also not a very perosonable situation, its more about her solving a crime and trying to get her on again, off again, relationship in order. This dissapoints me, I dont feel the show is going as deep as it did the first 2 seasons, she has no real relationship with these people , other than Logan and Mac. Wallace isnt around much, it seems the show has lost that certain something that made me feel for Veronica , and really hope she solves the case, so far I have not cared if she solves a case that has happened this season. I feel they need that big event that will drive our Ms Mars to really want and need to solve the case. of course as always this is just IMO I know what you mean, but maybe it is just a symptom of the uncertainity that surrounds the show, when it comes to renewal. I would like to see it get renewed for a full secure season 4, and see what Rob T does with it. true , as would I, but I believe in order to get to season 4 he better be knocking our socks off this season, seeing as season 4 kinda depends on how many people tune in, and in order to get "new viewers" to tune in, you need to get more people talking about the show. I am not saying by no means "Jump the Shark" but you better hit us with a doozy of a twist or somthing shocking soon, and it should happen before the 4 week break in march, I feel they should clifhanger that last episode before the mini break. So hopefully they can get a good buzz going into April. Acheive Higher ratings and give us a 4th Season.
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Post by Squeemonster on Jan 24, 2007 22:36:49 GMT -5
Hee - nice storyline for Mac and well-played from the pullback to the attack kiss. Bronson is a little too cutieboy for my tastes but I'm happy Mac is back in the game. Awwww. And of course it was the sister. Isn't it always? Cutie boy? My god, I am astonished at how many of you gals seem to think he's cute, nice looking etc. That young man is jsut plain ugly! *shivers* I don't like his looks... if I met that person in real life, they might be the nicest person in the world but I would be repulsed by their features. Unfair, but true. Vlad Um . . . okaaayyyy. I do not think he is repulsive by any stretch of the imagination. He's not my type, as far as physical features go, but actually ugly and repulsive? Huh. Different opinions, different strokes . . . .
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