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Post by Squeemonster on Jan 24, 2007 22:38:01 GMT -5
A really nice episode to get back in the groove. I'm another who thinks BeachGirl is too simplistic for a more permanent LoVe roadblock. I'm wondering if there's more to it than merely that Logan had some meaningless sex while "on a break." Veronica's line about "never getting past it" seems a little extreme, given the situation. I know it makes sense that we won't see all the major ensemble players each week, but I do miss Wallace. I wish there were a way to tie him more closely to Veronica's daily routine. Yes, having a significant role in the plot (such as Mac's, this week) is better than a "token" appearance, but even better would be an organic sensible reason for him to interact with her regularly. Since we're all thinking about the connection with Friends, with the Rachel and Ross break, I'm wondering if it'd be silly if Mac and Veronica and Wallace all get an apartment? (But then that leaves Keith alone. hmmmm.....) OK - so someone else does have the feeling that there will be "more to" Veronica's upset. I guess we shall see next week. I had that feeling, too.
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Post by Squeemonster on Jan 24, 2007 22:38:55 GMT -5
I know what you mean, but maybe it is just a symptom of the uncertainity that surrounds the show, when it comes to renewal. I would like to see it get renewed for a full secure season 4, and see what Rob T does with it. true , as would I, but I believe in order to get to season 4 he better be knocking our socks off this season, seeing as season 4 kinda depends on how many people tune in, and in order to get "new viewers" to tune in, you need to get more people talking about the show. I am not saying by no means "Jump the Shark" but you better hit us with a doozy of a twist or somthing shocking soon, and it should happen before the 4 week break in march, I feel they should clifhanger that last episode before the mini break. So hopefully they can get a good buzz going into April. Acheive Higher ratings and give us a 4th Season. There's a 4 week break in March? Jeez.
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Post by jeff on Jan 24, 2007 22:40:43 GMT -5
true , as would I, but I believe in order to get to season 4 he better be knocking our socks off this season, seeing as season 4 kinda depends on how many people tune in, and in order to get "new viewers" to tune in, you need to get more people talking about the show. I am not saying by no means "Jump the Shark" but you better hit us with a doozy of a twist or somthing shocking soon, and it should happen before the 4 week break in march, I feel they should clifhanger that last episode before the mini break. So hopefully they can get a good buzz going into April. Acheive Higher ratings and give us a 4th Season. There's a 4 week break in March? Jeez. yep, at least I saw something about it on the board today, something about that stupid Pussycat Doll's next Wannabe or some crap like that
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Post by Squeemonster on Jan 24, 2007 22:46:40 GMT -5
There's a 4 week break in March? Jeez. yep, at least I saw something about it on the board today, something about that stupid Pussycat Doll's next Wannabe or some crap like that Uh...well, that just sucks.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 24, 2007 22:57:19 GMT -5
Cutie boy? My god, I am astonished at how many of you gals seem to think he's cute, nice looking etc. That young man is jsut plain ugly! *shivers* I don't like his looks... if I met that person in real life, they might be the nicest person in the world but I would be repulsed by their features. Unfair, but true. Vlad Um . . . okaaayyyy. I do not think he is repulsive by any stretch of the imagination. He's not my type, as far as physical features go, but actually ugly and repulsive? Huh. Different opinions, different strokes . . . . This makes me think of a birthday card I read while trying to find a card for my brother-in-law yesterday. I can't remember it word for word, so I am paraphrasing liberally, but it went like this: OUTSIDE OF CARD:- Three older ladies, Thelma, Ester, and Helen, went out to a male-strip club for Helen's birthday.
- A particularly handsome and well-bulit young man stripped down to nearly nothing and was dancing and gyrating right in front of their table.
- Thelma's heart was pounding and she fanned herself. Finally she was overcome, and she had a stroke!
- Ester also became flushed and overheated. Eventually, she also had a stroke!
- Helen, the birthday girl, got very excited too. But she didn't have a stroke . . .
INSIDE OF CARD: . . . because her arms were too short! Happy Birthday!! Enjoy your day to the fullest!
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Post by Pixi on Jan 25, 2007 9:00:21 GMT -5
A really nice episode to get back in the groove. I'm another who thinks BeachGirl is too simplistic for a more permanent LoVe roadblock. I'm wondering if there's more to it than merely that Logan had some meaningless sex while "on a break." Veronica's line about "never getting past it" seems a little extreme, given the situation. I know it makes sense that we won't see all the major ensemble players each week, but I do miss Wallace. I wish there were a way to tie him more closely to Veronica's daily routine. Yes, having a significant role in the plot (such as Mac's, this week) is better than a "token" appearance, but even better would be an organic sensible reason for him to interact with her regularly. Since we're all thinking about the connection with Friends, with the Rachel and Ross break, I'm wondering if it'd be silly if Mac and Veronica and Wallace all get an apartment? (But then that leaves Keith alone. hmmmm.....) I'm thinking maybe Logan lies to her about BeachGirl. And she blows her stack not over the sexual hook-up, but over the lie. Sharing an apt is a great idea; Keith needs a girlfriend, but NOT married lady. Some thoughts I had early about making time for supporting characters and expanding relationships: At the end of last year we were distraught over the thought of shorter arcs and I know I (and I'm guessing others) would have been really distressed at the thought of presenting VM in a standalone episodes format. While I know nothing about Rob's intentions for the future I have had these thoughts: As heretical as it sounds, I might not hate a stand alone format. Yes, the first season was great but trying to play a mystery out over a long period while balancing handing out just enough clues but not too much is an incredibly difficult balancing act and takes focus away from other things. Since I "work" at home and I flip stations while cooking or folding laundry, etc. I run into old reruns of formula shows from the 90's, 80's, 70's. Some were horrid and the more they stuck to a predetermined formula they less I liked them. But take, for instance, Magnum P.I. Each week he solved a mystery but there was no formula (crime lab, perry mason style confession, columbo type investigation) to how he went about it. There was HUGE variety in the type of mystery; who was the villain, what the motive was, who was in danger, even the structure of each episode; and especially the use of supporting characters. One downside of the current VM format is that in addition to introducing, supplying motivation and clues, and solving a MOTW in 44 minutes RT is also forced to include some moving forward of the longer arc mystery as well. This is one thing that contributes to Veronica and Keith being at the center so much and leaves so so little time for supporting characters and relationship development. (Think of Magnum's long-term development of TC, Rick and Higgins and episodes that focused on each of them as individuals.) Yes, but it worked for Buffy, you say. Well, not exactly in the same way. For one thing once the season long monster was introduced you didn't have to keep it a mystery. Also, there were whole episodes which had little or nothing to do with the longer arc, especially in the early episodes of each season. Yes, in retrospect sometimes tiny little things were introduced that later showed to have more significance but most episodes revolved around the MOTW and developing the characters as persons and the relationships between/amongst them. If VM went primarily to a standalone episode format it is possible that that would leave a lot more time/scope for developing the characters as individuals and also examining their relationships with one another. And.....there could be tiny little clues in individual episodes which eventually take on larger meaning in future episodes or 2 or 3 parters. Little clues that we have no way of knowing are even relevant until later in the season when a mystery is introduced that harkens back to those other clues. Maybe we could go into a season not actually knowing what crime will be the central mystery but strewing lots of tiny bits along the way until the crime is finally committed. I think it's definitely worth exploring and could actually add to the multidimensionalism of VM. It's never good to get too locked in to any format---even that of a longer mystery arc. Maybe Rob will come up with another mystery that takes 9 episodes or 22 episodes or 3 years to solve, but meanwhile it seems to me that maybe he also has some great "short stories" to tell----especially ones that center around other characters, potentially. Sue - we've been sharing thoughts a lot lately. I too think Logan lies. And I too think the possibility of stand alones are a good idea. I also immediately thought - hey we could have an episode focused on someone else. It would be fantastic because now we necessarily have to have V in every episode, moving the arc along. Good points about Magnum and Buffy. I agree.
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Post by Pixi on Jan 25, 2007 9:02:34 GMT -5
true , as would I, but I believe in order to get to season 4 he better be knocking our socks off this season, seeing as season 4 kinda depends on how many people tune in, and in order to get "new viewers" to tune in, you need to get more people talking about the show. I am not saying by no means "Jump the Shark" but you better hit us with a doozy of a twist or somthing shocking soon, and it should happen before the 4 week break in march, I feel they should clifhanger that last episode before the mini break. So hopefully they can get a good buzz going into April. Acheive Higher ratings and give us a 4th Season. There's a 4 week break in March? Jeez. Yep. So we can see the Pussycat Dolls reality show. Aren't you excited? (please insert sarcastic tone) ETA: Oops, I see Jeff already got this.
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Post by Pixi on Jan 25, 2007 9:06:01 GMT -5
Spring - I didn't post a lot about this ep as I waxed on and on about it over in LJland but if I didn't make it clear, I am sure it is far more than the blow job.
I think Logan will lie about being with someone else. And that will make V upset.
Also - you guys know the CW promo monkey. All of those scenes we saw will not be in next week's ep. Remember the Logan and Veronica break up scene? We saw it 2 or 3 weeks before it finally aired. The general concensus seems to be the promo has scenes it in from upcoming eps not just the upcoming ep.
Bottom line - I loved this ep. It was fun, it was flowing, it worked and was just plain enjoyable to watch. I thought it was a great start to the new arc and I enjoyed every moment of it.
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Post by Sue on Jan 25, 2007 9:37:14 GMT -5
Did no one else get the idea from the trailers that Veronica's upset was going to be about more than just the fact that Logan had sex so soon after their break-up? By now you've read my theory that maybe he lies about it and she's more upset by the lying than the actual sex. Alternately it's just a case of the way the promo was edited together and her asking him "were you with anyone?" has no direct relation at all to later events. In fact, I guess I have to rewatch the promo cause I wonder whether when she's ranting about "I can't do this anymore" she's even talking about or to Logan. (lousy memory and those promos go by so quickly) ETA: Or, just read Pixi's post above.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2007 13:14:04 GMT -5
Hee - nice storyline for Mac and well-played from the pullback to the attack kiss. Bronson is a little too cutieboy for my tastes but I'm happy Mac is back in the game. Awwww. And of course it was the sister. Isn't it always? Yes, that was the weakest (fortunately brief) moment of the show. It was just way too obvious and hackneyed. Dude! So right there with you. I wonder how many folks assumed it was the sister, or something like that, practically from the moment the door opened. Actually, that makes me think of a recent "Black Books" ep I was watching. Fran had seen her boyfriend thru a cafe window, sitting with another woman and touching her face. Later, after she's made a complete idiot of herself and the relationship is totally wrecked, she'd talking to Bernard and he just sort of looks at her and says "Sister?" and she says "yep" and he says "comforting her?" and she says "lost her job". It was played very funny - both of them just being all "well of course, it's always the sister". ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2007 13:15:04 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the scene at the bar with Keith and Landry. Nicely done, nice set up and snap. Hee! Honestly, I don't see how it can be Landry or Lucky Tim. They seem so obvious. As does wifey. But then no one really excites me for this mystery at this point. I did like the way they eased into it and nice, nice, nice having it be declared a suicide. Putting Lamb (once again) in opposition to the Marses. [Oh, and, I'm still sorry that there has never been any follow-up on the story of Meg's abused little sister.] I'd like to see some follow-up / fall-out from that as well. Whether it comes from direct storyline or just more insight into Lamb.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2007 13:17:15 GMT -5
A pretty solid, entertaining ep. I laughed so hard when Dick snapped a picture of his privates, my cat, who had been sitting next to me, flew off the couch. Hee! I liked the way the explored the benefits and risks of reaching out to others and getting into relationships: Veronica and Logan trying to recover after their breakup; Mac opening herself to Bronson after being hurt by Cassidy; Piz trying to send out feelers to Veronica, and the guy Veronica was talking to at the party who was still hung up on his ex. Even the lab assistant who grew attached to Oscar the monkey illustrated the risks of letting emotions rule our actions, for better or worse. He saved Oscar from being killed, but that didn't stop the lead scientist from ordering another monkey. Science marches on, I think he said. Wasn't Bronson's last name Pope? Maybe he's related to Mr. Pope, of FBLA fame? That would be neat--I liked him a lot. Oooh, good thoughts about a general "relationships" theme - reaching out, benefits and risks, whether or not they are over, how to get over (or not get over) losing someone, etc. I wonder if this relates to the Dean's murder as well?
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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2007 13:19:06 GMT -5
Well I don't fault Logan for being with someone else - they were broken up and Logan sure didn't look like he enjoyed that blowjob very much but I have a feeling he's going to try and hide it. Yup, they were on a break... And Beach Girl wins the "Most Appalling Things Said Afterwards" award. Poor Logan. Oy! Most Appalling! Basically, if Logan and the audience didn't already know she was Not Very Nice and Rather Stupid As Well, prior to that? Well, it made it crystal clear.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2007 13:23:01 GMT -5
A really nice episode to get back in the groove. I'm another who thinks BeachGirl is too simplistic for a more permanent LoVe roadblock. I'm wondering if there's more to it than merely that Logan had some meaningless sex while "on a break." Veronica's line about "never getting past it" seems a little extreme, given the situation. I know it makes sense that we won't see all the major ensemble players each week, but I do miss Wallace. I wish there were a way to tie him more closely to Veronica's daily routine. Yes, having a significant role in the plot (such as Mac's, this week) is better than a "token" appearance, but even better would be an organic sensible reason for him to interact with her regularly. Since we're all thinking about the connection with Friends, with the Rachel and Ross break, I'm wondering if it'd be silly if Mac and Veronica and Wallace all get an apartment? (But then that leaves Keith alone. hmmmm.....) A link for both Mac and Wallace to Veronica's regular schedule would be great. Something that serves the same function as the high school library for the slayerettes, or the later research sessions at the Magic Box.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2007 13:27:27 GMT -5
The thing I am having problems with is this, Season 1 main arc was about the Murder of Lily Kane, Veronica's best friend. Very personal, and really emotional to her. Season 2 was about the bus crash involving people at V's school, Not her best friends but people she knew. Also very personal. but it dealt with the people she loved as well. Season 3 has been about a serial rapist, which in a way was personal for V, considering she was raped, but it didnt have that personal feel to me, and now it looks to be about who shot the Dean, also not a very perosonable situation, its more about her solving a crime and trying to get her on again, off again, relationship in order. This dissapoints me, I dont feel the show is going as deep as it did the first 2 seasons, she has no real relationship with these people , other than Logan and Mac. Wallace isnt around much, it seems the show has lost that certain something that made me feel for Veronica , and really hope she solves the case, so far I have not cared if she solves a case that has happened this season. I feel they need that big event that will drive our Ms Mars to really want and need to solve the case. of course as always this is just IMO Hmmmm. I can see what you mean about things not being as . . . deep feeling. Perhaps if there were more connections to the larger vibe of Veronica's life. Like season 1 connected the larger mystery to Veronica being the disliked girl at school. And season 2 explored a return to "popular" girl, but what that means when you have gone through things that change you from the person you were before. When you know life is more complicated. To me, a natural fit for college-age would be more exploration of "what do I want to do / be" as an adult.
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