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Post by Dalton on Feb 18, 2004 1:26:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the unhallowed ground of the Soulful Spike Society (SSS or 'S' cubed). This topic area is devoted to Spikaholics, Spuffyites, Spike shippers of all types, plus any James Marsters information. Share your knowledge, insights, observations, speculations, or other information on our favorite character/actor in or out of any episode. Straying off topic not a problem here. We welcome posts on any other aspect of the BtVS series also, but please, no spoilers. See also "The Soulful Spike Society" and/or "All Things Spike/James Marsters" (Parts 1-33) farther down the Miscellaneous Board. Visit our sister web site for the Soulful Spike Society.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 16:58:14 GMT -5
From out of nowhere he sneaks in to be the First!!! Bhwaaw ha ha ha ha ha.. snicker...snort...sniff. Edited By Vlad I at 5/23/2003 2:29:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 16:58:37 GMT -5
You are fast. I think the others are asleep becauase they are victims rather than vampires, but I don't want to detract from your achievement. So Yay Vlad!(Aside: did I sound convincing?)
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 16:59:39 GMT -5
Vlad - you da man.
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:00:18 GMT -5
Spring, I'm guessing you don't check the e-mail address you gave me, but go ahead and check today if you can.
James Gaskins
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:01:42 GMT -5
I posted this over at the old thread, cause it's morning, and I'm slow like that. Others (Patti & David, I think) said: //Spike said Dracula just had a lot of cheap gypsy tricks. I loved that explanation. // I'm sure that's very much the case, at least regarding Drac's ability to do magic and fly and stuff. But it doesn't account for why Dracula fed without going into game face, the way all the other vampires do (not including the Turok-Han). Of course, this might also have been Joss' way of not countering the popular Dracula mythology that Dracula became a vampire when he sold his soul to the devil. According to Welcome to the Hellmouth, the first vampire was created when the last demon fed on a human and mingled their blood, and then that human-demon-hybrid fed, etc. Dracula has a different mythology, and by having there be subtle differences between him and the other vampires, ME left a door open for both mythologies to co-exist. Mary replies: I wondered about this too - Drac's place in the Buffyverse. My own mind figured it as Drac was very, very old, and was able to control his demon in ways younger vamps could not - hence no game face. This contradicts characters like The Master however, so my mind played with that as well and decided that different vamps may have different powers, etc. Just like people have different skills and characteristics. My daughter was a gymnast and can do things that make me gasp (literally). I have a human body, too, and I've never been able to do those things. That's not to say my body is incapable of doing them (though, believe me, it is NOT capable!), but I never took the time to develop the skills. Because we HAVE seen different kinds of vampires in the Buffyverse, we probably need to be rather fluid in our understanding of them. Maybe there really aren't a lot of hard and fast rules.
Mary Statz
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:02:42 GMT -5
Just a comment. One of my online friends has met JM several times, and has been in the enviable position (don't PANT, Patti!!) of being able to spend a considerable amount of time with him with only one or two others present. And she honestly cannot say enough nice things about him. She finds him extremely kind and thoughtful, highly intelligent, enthusiastic about his craft and genuinely caring about his fans. I just thought I'd pass that along. I don't think anyone here DOUBTED that - but it's kind of nice to see it confirmed by someone who's had a little more one-on-one contact with him...
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:03:35 GMT -5
David/Patti, Buffy's lack of the tell-tale cramps from the movie has always bothered me. Though you both probably already know this, Joss mentioned it and why he got rid of it in his interview with Salon (http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/int/2003/05/20/whedon/index.html): "...I had to jettison one of the rules from the movie, which was that Buffy had sort of a cramping every time she was around a vampire. In a series I didn't want her to always know when she was around a vampire. And that's too bad in a way because it was a very primal, feminist concept that she literally feels it in her womb, as it were. But I had seven years and she needed to be surprised."
Rae Hanson
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:04:02 GMT -5
After the great talk last night about canon and what constitutes it (i.e. Joss' comments in interviews, etc.), I spent some time thinking about some of the things that have been said in the flurry of interviews heralding the end of the series. I tried to avoid a lot of them because I was paranoid about being spoiled, but of course I came across them everywhere. And it occurred to me that I MIGHT have let some of the things said by some of the actors, etc. color my perceptions of the finale - particularly the B/S interaction, and my thoughts on the declaration of love. We DID get bombarded with a lot of B/A forever stuff right at the end. SMG said that although Buffy loves Spike, she's not IN love with him. BUT... That is SMG's opinion, and maybe it really shouldn't carry any more weight than my own in my mind. One online friend has stated the opinion that she believes that SMG shies away from the B/S relationship in part because her character does not come off as well in that relationship - that Buffy did not exactly act in a real 'heroy' fashion with Spike at all times. That had never occurred to me, but who knows? Maybe it did have some effect on her thinking. So what does all this mean? That I'm going to watch the last couple episodes again (soon, not yet, I just can't), and look at what happens on the screen more carefully, and try to suss out my own interpretations without considering anything any of the cast or producers, etc. said off screen. I don't know what the results will be, but at least they'll be my own. Mary
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:04:28 GMT -5
From out of nowhere he sneaks in to be the First!!! Bhwaaw ha ha ha ha ha.. snicker...snort...sniff. I always suspected you were the First, Vlad...
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:05:07 GMT -5
Thank you Rae. When this topic came up last night I KNEW I had seen something recently that Joss had said about that very subject, but I had no idea where or when the statement had been made.
Mary Statz
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:06:13 GMT -5
We established two species of vamps from the canon, the one we're all familiar with, the Sunnydale regulars and the Turok Han. We know there are literally hundreds of types of demons. Why is it so difficult to accept that Dracula and his progeny are a third species, with different abilities, limitations etc.? Dracula is neither exceptionally old nor exceptionally young for a vampire--in his late 500's. So control of his features isn't a factor. He does not have a "game face." Neither does he have retractible fangs. Spike's comment about Dracula's "gypsy tricks" sounds very much like his take on Angel, and makes sense. Spike always reacts that way when mentioning any other attractive male vampire. Spike also says Drac owes him money, which I also don't quite buy. Can't see them hanging out anywhere or hunting together, or socializing any other way.
Diane U
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:06:58 GMT -5
MARY, all - some thoughts for when you rewatch: Rewatched the finale all the way through last night for the first time . . .noticed some things . . . How much that amulet reminded me of the amulet Spike puts on in The Harsh Light of Day – thinking it’s The Gem of Amara, though it isn’t. He waits for it to “do something,” much as he does for the amulet in the finale, but nothing happens. Listen to what Harmony says to him: HARMONY: So is it doing it? Do you feel it. I mean, you don't look different, if you were wondering. I thought maybe you'd look taller or glow or something. Hmm. Also, I thought of this exchange in Crush: SPIKE: If you don't admit ... that there's something there ... some tiny feeling for me ... then I'll untie Dru, let her kill you instead . . . Just give me something ... a crumb ... the barest smidgen ... tell me ... maybe, someday, there's a chance. BUFFY: Spike.... The only chance you had with me was when I was unconscious. It reminded me so much of the “crumb” from her cookie that Buffy gave Angel, saying in so many words “maybe someday, there’s a chance” and the way he said, “Well, at least that’s something.” (paraphrasing – he used the word something, I know). But when she finally offers Spike a smidgen, with her “I love you,” he no longer wants a smidgen. He wants nothing at all. That word, “nothing” is used over and over in BtVS to describe Spike, and it is no coincidence that the first words we hear after his demise are (from Vi, to Rhona): “This is nothing! This is nothing.” But of course, it is also everything.
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:07:30 GMT -5
James - you're right, it's been days since I checked that email. But now, I have. Thanks for the heads up, and for the benefit of the doubt you gave me (i.e., for not going directly to speculating on your visibility).
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 17:08:00 GMT -5
Nice mini-interview with Joss, where he basically says that he would have preferred that there be less press about James going to AtS before the BtVS finale, but that the WB had a nice "new shiny blond thing" to show people and there was no way they were gonna hold back on the announcement. Yay, James. Finally getting some of the recognition and appreciation (in the public eye) that's eluded him for some time.
Athene V
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