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Post by Sue on Feb 6, 2007 22:02:30 GMT -5
odd that there's such a focus on vanity plates in this episode! And names, so many real/fake names: Loved the "Hester", "Carson Drew and Nancy", "Nadia Comanechie". I REALLY liked the ep. I liked that the TV preacher wasn't the bad guy; that he was a real person---in fact, a good person who loves his daughter and eschews anger. Logan was wonderful. I wish her would interact with others more. Where the heck is Wallace? Is Percy Daggs working on another project? Have to go watch Boston Legal.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:05:35 GMT -5
Oooh, nice boots! And don't you diss the cute skirt, church dude. Hester?!? !!? Ok. The minister guy seems very sincere about being happy about her pregnancy and being a grandpa. So he's probably not responsible. Yeah. The doc isn't gonna give you patient info, V. A guy shot himself. "Oh, that's what it was." Not the most perceptive guy on the planet. "Wait, I just remembered!" Yeah, being a "good time" detective girl tends to make this witness have a bit better memory than for Tim, eh? ;D Weevil!! Yay, it's Weevil!! **does the happy weevil dance** Ahem. "Is it a favor when it's something we both would enjoy?" Heeee! And yes, it is still a favor, V. Oh, Veronica, Veronica, Veronica. Stealing and crushing Madison's car? Um. That is crazy. Even for you. Although, the line "did I come her for therapy or to get a car crushed and cubed" does have a rather amusing ring to it. $500. Hmmmmm. Maybe she won't do it after all. Woah. Pictures?! Sent to her dad?! Did the very un-fun guy from the church follow her? Or someone else? 'Cuz that is waaaay messed up.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:17:54 GMT -5
"That's how we pay the rent." Heee! Good one, Keith. I had that same thought. ;D "Does everyone go to heaven?" "Actually, what does it say? I've got intro to theology next week." ;D Carson Drew and my assistant Nancy?!! !1! Oh that's too too perfect. "She really is troubled." **snicker** Some excellent lines in this ep. Don't play dumb, Dick. Um. I don't think he's playing. I think he really thinks that is Nadia's name. On the other hand, we all know that he is skeevy enough to do something like this. Keith, don't fall for the classic noir set-up! Don't just go over there, call the cops or someone.
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Post by Karen on Feb 6, 2007 22:37:05 GMT -5
odd that there's such a focus on vanity plates in this episode! I noticed that, too. What does it all mean? Anyone else get the strange attraction vibe between Keith and the dead Dean's wife?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:39:06 GMT -5
Ah. The meth-addicted ex-husband. I wondered why the "previously on" clips showed him. As messed up as he was, he did an OK job of faking it in front of the kid at least.
She's gonna try to turn you into a crutch, Keith. Ah - he uses it as a way to snoop. Egg under the wiper, so it was that car. What about the surly teen-aged son who was gonna be sent off to "discipline" school. Maybe he drove the car over and fought with dad?
Drunk and calling and begging to V. Just digging the hole deeper buddy.
Actually, the pregnant daughter who decides to keep the baby is probably just the perfect thing to trot out in front of the congregation. Although I think the dad is too nice to do that, I wouldn't put it past the CFO guy.
Oh, damn. Damn it was Phylis. And I liked her! But you just don't do that stuff to people without their permission. I mean, talk to her if you feel that strongly. Talk to her as a long-time friend. And offer support and so on. But you don't drug someone and make those kind of decisions for them. You can never try to run someone's life like that.
Ah. Hearing the minister guy talk about anger tearing apart your soul makes her realise just how crazy she was getting about Madison. Yay! I mean, Veronica, how could you not see you were really going over the line on that one?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:42:39 GMT -5
(on the scene I missed: Yeah, Madison is her version of the antichrist.) Heh. Yeah, I can imagine just about anyone letting a girl like that in. Yeah - just to shut her up if for no other reason. ;D It really was a very nice scam, wasn't it? She was acting just as unreasonable and snotty as he thinks she is so he didn't even question what was happening. It fit his world view. ;D Could Dick actually be . . . growing and maturing as a person? Naaaaaah.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:44:31 GMT -5
Whoa. Logan screwed up royally this time. Madison! That's just all kinds of wrong. He must have been very drunk, or maybe even drugged - it wouldn't be the first time Madison pulled that stunt. He's got to get a clue one of these times. That boy could give lessons in self-destructive behavior choices.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:46:28 GMT -5
Well, and then he lied about it too. This is not gonna get fixed, I think. he never said the name of the woman he regretted sleeping with while they were broken up, did he? it seems very veronica to assume he lied, but i'm not sure he actually did... Ya know . . . I think you're right about not saying the name. I was thinking about scary-beach-girl at the time, so . . .
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:49:15 GMT -5
"Honey, that's how we pay the rent" So she was tailed by the preacher. "Harrassing women in crisis since 1973" "My name is Carson Drew, and this is my assistant Nancy" HA! Jack Chick press, then. Totally. I forgot about that line! So funny. ;D I'm telling you. Never underestimate the dimness of Dick. Yeah! I mean, who wouldn't? I agree with her assessment of Lamb and co. ;D but I also think she's starting to feel a bit dependent on Keith.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:53:32 GMT -5
Stealing a turkey? Asshole. If you didn't want to give the marrow, you don't get to act like a father, you useless sack of crap. "I'm not sure if 'okay' is the right word" So he's tweaking... Mrs. O'Dell is hitting on Keith, or something? And he's using the opportunity to investigate. You got that kind of vibe off her too, eh? True. Even as a drunken self-pitying gormless git, he's still pretty. Wordy McWord. They totally took me by surprise on this one. I liked Phylis! **snicker** Amusing as the cubing would have been, I'm glad she stopped it. I think she would have been sorry later that she stooped to doing that in the craziness of the moment. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:55:11 GMT -5
odd that there's such a focus on vanity plates in this episode! And names, so many real/fake names: Loved the "Hester", "Carson Drew and Nancy", "Nadia Comanechie". I REALLY liked the ep. I liked that the TV preacher wasn't the bad guy; that he was a real person---in fact, a good person who loves his daughter and eschews anger. Logan was wonderful. I wish her would interact with others more. Where the heck is Wallace? Is Percy Daggs working on another project? Have to go watch Boston Legal. Nice comparison of the vanity plates and fake names. Where is Wallace, dagnabit!! I miss my Wallace. **pouts**
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Post by Lola m on Feb 6, 2007 22:57:15 GMT -5
odd that there's such a focus on vanity plates in this episode! I noticed that, too. What does it all mean? Anyone else get the strange attraction vibe between Keith and the dead Dean's wife? **nods** It's giving me classic noir uneasiness too. I mean, the sexy client? The dead guy's wife that is possibly a suspect? Danger, Keith Robinson, danger!
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Post by Pixi on Feb 7, 2007 10:11:56 GMT -5
You know how when you're angry, you really shouldn't say anything till you've had a chance to calm down? Unless you're venting to your best friend who basically just kind of nods and goes uh huh, yea, and so forth. And then tells you she really wasn't listening anyway.
Well I sort of feel I better adopt that policy with regards to last night's episode because I am not a happy camper. What I liked: Veronica and Keith acting like a family again and not a burlesque show. Using the alias Carson and Nancy Drew - hee! A beautiful performance by the actor playing the televangelist. Well written and the warmth and love and feeling just flowed from that man. Bravo.
What I disliked - pretty much everything else.
So my questions:
1. Why give Logan back his balls and let him break up in a mature manner and then two episodes later pull a reverseo and let him be the sad sack loser boyfriend again so that Miss Veronica can tell Dad - Logan and I broke up again - MY idea this time. Does she have to be in charge? Is this supposed to make me feel sympathetic? Did Logan rear end somebody's car on the writer's staff? Why the need to make him always, always look like an asshole?
2. Am I supposed to feel sympathetic to a character who spends most of the episode gleefully contemplately cubing someone's car? Seriously, am I? I was liking Veronica again and this just put her squarely back on the dislike square for me.
3. What would have happened if Weevil got caught stealing a car for Veronica, violating his parole and sent back to jail? Is this a good thing to entice someone to commit felonies for you?
4. Was this mystery supposed to be mysterious? Because it was pretty obvious who the culprit was. Unlike last week's constantly twisting mystery, I was pretty much bored with this MOTW.
5. How did the show make me uninterested in the Dean's murder? I was interested, very interested in Spit and Eggs but I'm kind of meh about the whole thing now. I do like that they have a murder for a mystery next week. And the promos were good for once.
6. Am I just supposed to forget that Madison did NOT in fact roofie Veronica's drink? That she was an intended victim that night too. That Madison gave her a trip to the Dentist.
7. How did Dick, the guy who gleefully encouraged Beaver to rape Veronica and was prepared to roofie his girlfriend, how did this guy get a free pass from everyone and suddenly become a lovable scamp?
I have questions I can't answer and I'm frustrated. I've stayed loyal while many have fled but I'm just not a happy camper.
Some may conclude this is just shipper disappointment talking but I loved Spit and Eggs. I was great with the breakup there. It was inherent to the story, the relationship and everything else. This breakup? Shouts plot contrivance so we can put Piz in the driver's seat to me. And I just want to call Jason Dohring and say sorry man for the way the writers have screwed you this year into playing a one note emoboy.
I'm pretty sure everyone on this board will probably disagree with me but honestly, I don't want to be negative about this show. I love this show. And I've really loved the last two episodes. I just feel so frustrated right now.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 7, 2007 16:10:27 GMT -5
You know how when you're angry, you really shouldn't say anything till you've had a chance to calm down? Unless you're venting to your best friend who basically just kind of nods and goes uh huh, yea, and so forth. And then tells you she really wasn't listening anyway. Well I sort of feel I better adopt that policy with regards to last night's episode because I am not a happy camper. What I liked: Veronica and Keith acting like a family again and not a burlesque show. Using the alias Carson and Nancy Drew - hee! A beautiful performance by the actor playing the televangelist. Well written and the warmth and love and feeling just flowed from that man. Bravo. What I disliked - pretty much everything else. So my questions: Agreed. I was not happy with the way he was portrayed, though I do disagree in that I felt sorry for the shoddy way he was being treated by Veronica. I think the alcohol was supposed to be the precipitating factor in his pity ditty. Agreed, completely. I was really in the I don't like Veronica much tonight camp. Especially when she puts someone else at risk: Weevil for example. Completely agree. Weevil doesn't see straight when it comes to favors for Veronica. Why is that? And, how dare she do that to him?! What if he gets caught "parking the car back on the street"? I mean he didn't get caught stealing the vehicle, but that's not the point. He could have been caught and in deep doggy doo doo. I don't have many thoughts on these comments, but I did really like the guy who portrayed the pastor. I thought he did a really good job and his emotions were believable and heartfelt. I tend to agree, but for some reason Dick has been portrayed this way this season. I'm wondering why, as well. I really hope that Piz is not put into the driver's seat. I see no chemistry between the actor and KB. Maybe it's just me, though. And, I tend to agree that the S&E breakup was good and necessary. Both Veronica and Logan need to grow up and grow up separately. Kind of like Buffy and Spike. Or, Buffy and Angel for that matter. See? I don't disagree with everything you said. ;D So, not everyone disagrees.
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Post by Michelle on Feb 7, 2007 16:10:49 GMT -5
4. Was this mystery supposed to be mysterious? Because it was pretty obvious who the culprit was. Unlike last week's constantly twisting mystery, I was pretty much bored with this MOTW. It may have been obvious to you, but I'll admit to my dimwittedness and say that I was surprised. I may be in the minority though--I LIKE to be surprised. I was one of those weird kids who never tried to peak at their presents before Christmas. But regarding the show, I thought they did a pretty good job misleading us. We had a nice list of possible suspects--Dick, Tim, Nadia, as well as Bonnie's father. I absolutely agree with you there. I feel that Veronica's sudden hatred against Madison is very contrived. I can understand Veronica not being Madison's number one fan, but I never saw her as any more of a thorn in Veronica's side than say, Dick is. And a few episodes back, she tolerated Dick putting his arm around her. The only thing I can wank about this is that Veronica is transferring her anger at Logan onto Madison, which actually is a pretty common thing when you think about it. In fact, right now in the news there's a story of an astronaut, Lisa Nowak, driving hundreds of miles WEARING A DIAPER so she won't have to make any pit stops, just so she could attack a woman she suspected of having an affair with her husband. And men as well as women react this way. But did you notice that when Veronica talked about cubing a car, Weevil assumed she meant Logan's? Because really, that would make more "sense," if cubing a car can be considered sensical! But when people have been hurt, they don't tend to make sense. That is a very, very, very, very, very, VERY good question. Very. And, why is Dick suddenly the judgmental one, telling Logan that you don't do that to a buddy, when Dick had actually made moves on Veronica in the past??? Remember the Anti-Prom last year, when he asked Veronica what his chances were, and she replied, "A googleplex to one"? And what exactly was Dick's claim to Madison anyway? Weren't they generally more "off" than "on"? The last thing we viewers knew, Madison was dating Lamb, not Dick. I'm not as down on this episode as you are Pixi, but I understand a lot of your points. Here's what redeemed the episode for me: --Veronica admitted, several times in fact, that her reaction to Logan's fling with Madison was not exactly sane. She's not coming off as judgmental and superior (something she's been accused of quite a bit), she's coming off as over-emotional and distressed. Love makes you do the wacky. I don't like Veronica stalking Madison, or asking Weevil to cube her car, but, as I explained above, it's not an uncommon reaction. And even if I don't agree with her actions, I like the fact that she's upset about what happened, because it shows that she really does care for Logan a great deal. --I like the way the mystery helped highlight the way other people view their sexual relationships, particularly in college. There was Nadia, who made out with Dick "for like 5 minutes," and gave him a fake name. She didn't care if he had a girlfriend, and didn't plan to ever see him again. And that's OK; that's a perfectly acceptable, common thing in college. It's not the huge soap opera that Veronica is making it out to be with Logan & Madison. And of course, that leads to Dick. Dick is constantly on the hunt, moving from girl to girl in the hopes of getting some action. And he's being viewed, as you said Pixi, as a lovable scamp. Except for his actions in the flashbacks of Season 1 to which you referred, I would say that Dick is pretty lovable. But then there's Bonnie. Bonnie is a very sexually open, and not very particular about her partners either. Unfortunately, that can have some serious consequences, like getting pregnant and not knowing who the father is. But she had several choices she could have made, choices that weren't available to young girls in the not too distant past. She could have the baby and raise it herself, she could have the baby and get married, she could have the baby and give it up for adoption, or she could terminate the pregnancy. When I read the spoiler weeks ago that Veronica would find out Logan had a thing with Madison, I was really concerned that it would be used to villainize Logan. So I was pleasantly surprised by this episode, because I think that by showing these other people who have viewpoints more in line with Logan than with Veronica, no one comes off as a villain. I can empathize with both Logan and Veronica in this situation. Though I agree with you--I was not happy to see Logan acting all emo again. When Dick told Logan he was being pathetic sitting in the dark, I thought, "It's scary that I am agreeing with Dick!" Let's hope that this is the last episode of emo Logan.
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