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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2007 19:44:24 GMT -5
Act V Jake Kane? So he's like . . . a big cheese guy in the "castle" group? With all sorts of info on a new cutting-edge computer software . . . Um. Watta ya bet Veronica takes it? Catching her clothes on the doggy door is going to be her undoing. Otherwise, why show it happening? The Duncan picture moving from night to day for the scene change was. . . effective. And creepy. Keith called in about the stolen hard drive. Clarence! It is old home week! Keith on the case . . . this is gonna get messy. A thread. Cameras next door. Ah, and a guard that is not gonna go out of his way to help Keith. Heh. I loved Mac being forced to say she can't hack the password her computer, but there is another option. She sooooo didn't like admitting that. ;D Oh, Keith. He knows it's her. Looking for the sweater and finding the truth. Oh crap. Wiedman is following in Keith's footsteps? He's gonna figure it out too. Veronica buys time by denying what she did to her dad. This gonna get sooooooooo messy. And Jake Kane is hella mad. Angry angry angry man. Ah. Going over Keith's head to have the prosecutor involved. Keith says "get a court order". Um. That's not gonna look good. And a reporter in the room? Oh. Oh. Oh. Keith on the phone, trying and trying to reach her. And then. Damn. Gonna "fix" the evidence, Keith? That's . . . Well. That's a father's reaction. And it's gonna cost you the election.
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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2007 19:57:12 GMT -5
The hard drive had a list of all the castle guys. Ever. And their confessions?! So that's how the society stays so secret - they've got dirt on everyone. Maybe that's how they choose members. Guys who have a blackmail-able past? So they can control them later? Holy crap. That's a confession. Um. Mafia dad or something? And he's just smiling away. Total sociopath. Yeah, I think you better let that one alone, Veronica. Ah, but she gives the simple list to the newspaper woman. Not the secrets, just the names. Nice. Spread out the info, make some of it public and once it's out, then the damage is spread out too. Logan comes to apologize. But she's right, the person to apologize to is the person you beat up - Piz. Eeep. The castle guy with the real scary secret . . . "He's connected. Like 'connected' connected." Warn Logan that this is over his head. Whoa! And Logan takes him out anyway! That is just so . . . Logan. And you can see that Veronica knows that. "You're gonna die." "Yeah. Someday." And then he apologizes to Piz. Classic. Absolutely classic Logan. Heh. "So, are you like the butler now?" Keep jabbing, V. An attempt to threaten Jake to not involve Keith and it doesn't work. (Gave me a nice giggle with the "steamy boarding school" bit, though.) Veronica is over her head too. Veronica to dad "you know I love you more than anything". And it all goes to hell. Dad up on charges, there goes the election. Oh, excellent use of music. Just like classic season 1 moments. Yep. I love these final eps. Really truly.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 25, 2007 13:39:23 GMT -5
I meant to clarify my comment about Logan turning into Aaron.
What I was commenting on was the senseless, uncontrolled violence. Logan didn't just deliver one or two punches on Piz or whats-his-name, he whaled on them, impulsively and uncontrollably. That's what alarmed me and reminded me so strongly of Aaron beating up Trina's boyfriend or whacking Lily incredibly hard in the head. Thankfully, Logan's very much unlike his father in many other ways.
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Post by KMInfinity on May 26, 2007 2:08:03 GMT -5
I'm with Lola, I really liked this ending. I also really loved Not Fade Away...which is what this reminded me of (Sue? Karen? Someone else suggested this and that's exactly right.) I like the ambiguity, and think it's really brave to not end with everything tied up in a bow...except character continuity. Yeah. I read somewhere that RT deliberately wrote the end as if it would be renewed, preferring to have faith. He said he knew his choice might piss off a lot of VM fans (haven't read if that's true) but he wanted to bring as much pressure as possible to bear on CW and by NOT tying everything up in a bow he was in for a penny, in for a pound. Plus, a series finale after 7 or even 5 years? Sure, some kind of closure is expected and fans deserve it. After only 3 seasons? No. IMO, it was right to leave the audience in the middle of things. I would think for RT imposing closure at that point would have seemed like complicity in the show's death. Of course, I am pissed I don't get to see what's next, but I don't blame RT for that. Yes.
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Post by Queen E on May 26, 2007 6:22:59 GMT -5
I'm with Lola, I really liked this ending. I also really loved Not Fade Away...which is what this reminded me of (Sue? Karen? Someone else suggested this and that's exactly right.) I like the ambiguity, and think it's really brave to not end with everything tied up in a bow...except character continuity. Yeah. I read somewhere that RT deliberately wrote the end as if it would be renewed, preferring to have faith. He said he knew his choice might piss off a lot of VM fans (haven't read if that's true) but he wanted to bring as much pressure as possible to bear on CW and by NOT tying everything up in a bow he was in for a penny, in for a pound. Plus, a series finale after 7 or even 5 years? Sure, some kind of closure is expected and fans deserve it. After only 3 seasons? No. IMO, it was right to leave the audience in the middle of things. I would think for RT imposing closure at that point would have seemed like complicity in the show's death. Of course, I am pissed I don't get to see what's next, but I don't blame RT for that. Yes. I've heard that too...and it makes sense to me. And even as it stands, the end is perfect noir. The "corruption" is exposed, but it doesn't make the world any warmer or better, just the "heroes" wiser and sadder.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 11:42:50 GMT -5
Poor V. Back to where she started. **nods** Such a strong call-back to the opening ep of the whole series. The way everyone is looking at her, telling stories and spreading rumors.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 11:47:56 GMT -5
Okay, I think Veronica's being a bit unfair here. After what happened with Lily and the tape of her with Aaron, is she honestly surprised Logan would have such a knee-jerk reaction to seeing that? I tend to think she was having her own knee-jerk reactions to the news and, somewhat, taking it out on the messenger. Wanting to believe that the news is not true at all at first (denial!) She had that sort of sick look on her face as she was saying stuff about it not being what he said it was. And then, of course, she moves to deciding that if there is a tape it couldn't possibly be Piz and/or that if it was then it was some kind of mistake (bargaining!). And fianlly she moves into her own version of what Logan did. (Anger!) Which all tells me that the whole thing was pushing her own buttons as much as it pushed Logan's.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 11:52:21 GMT -5
Hey, they cut the credits out! Yeah - it's like they were doing a two-hour finale but also two one-hour episodes in a combo kind of way. And **nods a lot** **nods** And that is very interesting to me, because considering his own tangled history with Lily and all, you'd think he'd also have some buttons to push around the idea of secretly taped sex like Veronica and Logan do. It was a nicely done, and sad, element to have Wallace innocently involved in the whole mess.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 11:54:14 GMT -5
Yes, she's grilling you. "You want WHAT?" She's running a con on WALLACE? "And you thought a photo of you in boxers would HURT your chances in the polls?" "Smile pretty" Ah. Skull and bones. Thanks, Rob. oh, no, actually, this sounds like a fun vindictive lark, not "way too much ot ask" "you know I can't draw" heh.. So Hearst went to Yale. ;D Love the way you put that. **nods** It was a powederkeg waiting to go off, I'm thinking. **nods**
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 12:02:39 GMT -5
Jake Kane. So. Clarence. I can't see Clarence being involved in this. okay, yeah, I can, but still. Don't wanna. I was really glad we got to see Clarence again. And they ended up involving him in a way that fit perfectly with his complete loyalty to Jake Kane. I also liked that thay didn't have Mac actually be able to do it herself. That they did a more realistic "giant cutting edge university computer network and it takes some time, yo" thing. Totally unhinged. For a while there, I thought he was gonna go all Aaron Echolls on us. Yep. Looked exactly like what it was, I'm sorry to say.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 12:04:00 GMT -5
So she's got all the power in the world, Logan's gonna die, and Keith doesn't have to commit sepuku only because this is America and not Nippon. bleah. **nods** Except for the bleah part.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 12:26:37 GMT -5
So she's got all the power in the world, Logan's gonna die, and Keith doesn't have to commit sepuku only because this is America and not Nippon. bleah. And to Sara's next comment as well (she said "it sucked.") Yeah, as a series finale it did suck. As a set up for another season I thought it had great potential. Dark, very dark, but great potential. Of course I hated that Keith compromised himself for her and that she put him in that position. Makes me think of the situation if Buffy had ended at the point in season 6 where Willow was evil and Buffy was lost and everything was bad. But there was still redemption to be had. And growth. Potential. Love for one another. More story. It's too bad we don't get to see Veronica explaining to Keith why she did it. And see Cliff defending them both. And see them picking up the pieces of their lives. (Maybe going after some of the people on the list who committed way way worse crimes than breaking and entering and even burglary). And it is scary to think that Logan has possibly gotten himself into trouble he can't get out of. I'll readily agree that it was a lousy place to end a series. Sort of wish he'd started Season 3 with this storyline and then saw it through. Thing is, though, that was one of the problems with VM: adults eschewed it because it was "teen drama" and on the CW. And (IMO) it's awfully mature for the majority of teens. College age, sure fine, but who watches much TV in college? The other problem was its network, time, and competition. Sad. Cause it really did have a lot of potential. Really, if had hadn't been the last ep. I would have said it was one of the better eps. Even though I didn't like many of the behaviors. I can't comment on the first hour as I missed that one---didn't get home until 8. I so would have loved to see Veronica and Keith go up against Jake, Clarence and Kane corp. But as the good guys. Pretty gray tonight. Both of them. **nods** Very gray finale. And I would have loved to see the next season . . .
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 12:31:05 GMT -5
OK, I thought these two episodes brought me back to the Veronica Mars that I loved and looked foward too every week! They were 2 of the best episodes of the season for me. And quite frankly this would have been one completely AWESOME story arc to have focused on this year instead of the whole dean murder. Veronica trying to figure out who the Castle were, and who was behind the vid. They could have started this arc 6 episodes into the season and had me wishing every night was Tuesday night. I am sort of pissed that I had to sit through the whole who murdered the dean arc, and RT throws this at me the last 2 episodes. This could have been strung out for at least 10 episodes if not an entire season. I am getting more pissed the more I think about it. I liked the Dean's murder arc (liked the rape arc a little less, but it also had it's moments), but this would have been an excellent long-playing arc running over both of those! Or, you know, an excellent arc for next season. The best things about this finale, to me, was the way everyone was truly in character. Everyone acted, to me, exactly as I think they would, for both good and bad. Gonna miss it, yes indeed.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 12:31:58 GMT -5
Well, damn. I thought these last episodes got better and better, and I did love the finale. Things will go on in Neptune as they always have. The few and powerful will keep on being corrupt. Those from the wrong side of the tracks will have to struggle against that corruption. Sometimes they'll rise above it, sometimes they'll say 'fuck it' and carve out their own kind of existence. Exactly! **sniffles a bit** You got it, sister.
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 12:34:36 GMT -5
That "what did you do?" sounds a whole lot by SMG as Buffy. Love Wallace coming to Veronica and Piz's defense. Parker breaks up with Logan. This show just got really soapy all of a sudden. Some one's always supposed to pay, isn't that the rule we live by?Very interesting... Yeah, where did that come from? Did he learn that from his dad? Some one may have to pay, but that doesn't mean that you should be the one to dole out the punishment. I'm thinking dad. But also, that is kind of Veronica's motto, too. And yeah, it's not necessarily you that should do it. And you should make sure the right person pays. And payback doesn't have to mean physical violence - although I'll bet it always meant that with dad.
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