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Post by havoc on Mar 25, 2005 23:55:23 GMT -5
C!Boomer told Helo to shoot her, but he couldn't finish the job. It's almost like that was the plan (but not a conscious plan of C!Boomer's) - because he now seems to be somewhat sympathetic to her. Bad shot and not thinking clearly IMHO. I'd have finished her.. but then I'm a cynic. He may not be lol
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Post by Lola m on Mar 26, 2005 0:08:21 GMT -5
I agree - on Kara's part. But Baltar really wanted it to mean more than just a fun romp. Do you think he's in love with her? I thought what he did to Boomer was inexcuseable, too. I also think her Cylon programming didn't allow her to be successful in her suicide attempt. Apollo was really out of line. He has no claims on Kara, but very strong feelings. I think it's interesting wordplay - Kara being on the hunt to find "Apollo's" 'arrow'. **snortle** I had that same thought about the "arrow". I'll be over in the 12 year old corner. ;D
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Post by havoc on Mar 26, 2005 0:16:32 GMT -5
**snortle** I had that same thought about the "arrow". I'll be over in the 12 year old corner. ;D Gee, I was the one with the clean mind in the group? LOL
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Post by Just Willow on Mar 26, 2005 16:43:43 GMT -5
I agree - on Kara's part. But Baltar really wanted it to mean more than just a fun romp. Do you think he's in love with her? I thought what he did to Boomer was inexcuseable, too. I also think her Cylon programming didn't allow her to be successful in her suicide attempt. Apollo was really out of line. He has no claims on Kara, but very strong feelings. I think it's interesting wordplay - Kara being on the hunt to find "Apollo's" 'arrow'. I think Baltar's pride was hurt - moaning someone else's name - surefire mood breaker, I'd say. Apollo is jealous. That was such a gender reversal scene. Apollo all outraged and jealous, Starbuck all 'get over it, it's just sex'... stuff I didn't understand: Six sending Baltar down to be killed - (except she's losing control over him - maybe she was jealous enough to kill him?) Baltar encouraging Boomer to kill herself - directly in opposition to what Six told him about Boomer. The President buying in so thoroughly - those drugs must be powerful. Starbuck going against military orders? I could not believe her doing this. Very very intense well played episode - harsh, ugly, no one was shown in a pretty light in this episode. only ONE to get to some sort of season resolution? Can we say 'cliffhanger'?
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Post by Shan on Mar 26, 2005 18:40:05 GMT -5
This was an oddly satisfying episode for me. I didn't see Baltar as trying to urge Boomer to kill herself at all. To me, this episide showed him in the most exposed, emotionally honest way I've seen him so far. At first I thought he'd gone into her quarters looking for Kara, but then realized that Boomer doesn't share with Kara, so then I thought that maybe he went there because he thought Boomer might have something to do with whatever threat #6 had warned him about. Funnily enough, I've never seen Boomer as a threat to the Glactica, because of her ongoing internal conflict. So I didn't relate Baltar's safety concern directly to Boomer...especially when #6 suggested that he wanted to sleep with her....But he's never been aware of anything about Boomer except the fact that she's a cylon and doesn't know it. So I thought that maybe he went there because he might find someone who understood his OWN conflict: who am I? Whose side am I on?
When Baltar left and the shot immediately came from Boomer's quarters, I was shocked. I truly didn't expect her to try to kill herself. Maybe that's why I didn't see Baltar's conversation with her as any kind of incentive to do it. Especially after he kissed her on the forehead, as if he thought of her as another person...
Enh. It's confusing. Why is that satisfying to me? I must be sick.
Can I go home now?
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Post by Shan on Mar 26, 2005 18:53:58 GMT -5
Ok, another thing? I wasn't that thrilled with the Starbuck/Adama interaction over whether or not he knew where earth was. My own internal version of Starbuck's character would have asked him point blank whether or not he knew. She wouldn't have done what the Starbuck in the ep did and pussyfooted around and/or accepted his fob-offs.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 27, 2005 22:04:44 GMT -5
Ok, another thing? I wasn't that thrilled with the Starbuck/Adama interaction over whether or not he knew where earth was. My own internal version of Starbuck's character would have asked him point blank whether or not he knew. She wouldn't have done what the Starbuck in the ep did and pussyfooted around and/or accepted his fob-offs. I go back and forth on that, 'cuz I kinda agree. The Starbuck we've come to know is just more straightforward. But then I looked at the whole ep and the whole arc we've had so far. And it might fit when you put all the pieces together. Starbuck feeling pressured to be more of a leader and perhaps some part of her wanting to buck that kind of repsponsibility, to do something to prove she's really still that wild irresponsible rougue pilot. Also the ugly scene with Apollo and feeling trapped by the path she's gone down with Baltar and Apollo and just wanting away from it all. And lastly, there's that scene with President Roslin, where she is shown to have really believed in the idea of Earth actually existing and Adama leading them all there. So suspicion that he lied would have pushed all the wrong buttons with her and wanting to believe in this wild idea of heading back to Caprica might seem like the answer to all her problems. So then she can't ask Adama right out, because he'd have more of a clue what she's thinking of and she might not be able to pull off her escape. Lola But, even with all that, it still doesn't really feel completely in character to me.
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Post by Karen on Mar 27, 2005 22:27:51 GMT -5
Bad shot and not thinking clearly IMHO. I'd have finished her.. but then I'm a cynic. He may not be lol She's his way off the planet. He's no dummy - plus, they have a connection now - and she's cute and helpless looking.
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Post by Karen on Mar 27, 2005 22:32:44 GMT -5
Ok, another thing? I wasn't that thrilled with the Starbuck/Adama interaction over whether or not he knew where earth was. My own internal version of Starbuck's character would have asked him point blank whether or not he knew. She wouldn't have done what the Starbuck in the ep did and pussyfooted around and/or accepted his fob-offs. I agree because I have seen Starbuck as being more forthright, too. So then we have to ask ourselves why she didn't just ask him outright. All I could come up with - in my discussions in my head - is that it's because Leoben really did get inside her head, and Kobol and the promise of Earth, and all it means to her deep inside, is something we don't see on the surface bravado. If she had asked him point blank, I think there would have been a confrontation and at that point - because he disappointed her - she had made a decision to side with the President of finding Apollo's arrow, and didn't want to tip her hand.
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Post by havoc on Mar 31, 2005 2:52:50 GMT -5
She's his way off the planet. He's no dummy - plus, they have a connection now - and she's cute and helpless looking. LOL. The review this week was really tough to get through. Haven't been this torn over a review since I started writing them. I've seen the last episode. I will not give anything away; but, I will say that this storyline will be even more worthy of discussion come friday night. And more than that, the writers have left us with a lot more to discuss at that point.. and a few reasons to own TV bricks.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Apr 4, 2005 21:25:48 GMT -5
LOL. The review this week was really tough to get through. Haven't been this torn over a review since I started writing them. I've seen the last episode. I will not give anything away; but, I will say that this storyline will be even more worthy of discussion come friday night. And more than that, the writers have left us with a lot more to discuss at that point.. and a few reasons to own TV bricks. be careful havoc...I mean next season of course- you're sorta spoiling us here, giving us moods and such...I've now seen the last ep but if I hadn't when I read this, I'd still know that something was going to make me want to throw bricks...and I never want to know anything at all about the next episode. And your review was really good! They've been getting better and better in my opinion. I'm torn on this episode also...in my mind, this show has been very 'hard sci-fi' in the good old sense - but now there is this arrow of Apollo and the President's new-found fervency, and it seems veering more to the fantasy side... of course, I wasn't a viewer of the original series, so perhaps those elements were there all along. I just know so MUCH happened, that startled me in this episode. And I don't think I blinked very often.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 5, 2005 0:38:34 GMT -5
Another intriguing episode and another interesting review, havoc!
Great description of the opening shots. In the next episode, we’ll all go right over that edge, won’t we.
Eetah on your description of Roslin’s (and Six’s and Roslin’s aide’s) reaction to “plaything” as “classic”. BSG may not have a reputation as a comedy, but I see plenty of examples of a very dry wit and sly humor.
Your description of the heart of the conflict between Adama and Starbuck was very true – “unwillingness to be honest with each other” will be a continual wall between them until they are each willing to change.
I too believe that Gaius was deliberately aiming Galactica!Boomer toward suicide and that Six did not in anyway expect this. She seemed genuinely surprised by his action. I wonder if Boomer’s bad aim was caused by Cylon and emotional “human” desires coming into conflict, since it seems as if unexpectedly human emotion is the weakness of that particular model. Perhaps her emotional human side attempted suicide, but the Cylon in her altered her aim at the last moment.
You gave a very interesting description of the change in relationship between Adama and Starbuck when she realizes he lied about knowing the location of Earth – tables being turned – his pilot is about to mutiny and his actions and decisions are partly responsible. And of course we will see the parallel to that with Apollo in the next episode. I had some reservations about the indirect manner in which Starbuck approached Adama, but at the same time I can see how it, and her subsequent run to Caprica would fit with the issues she is dealing with. Your idea that she can’t accuse him of lying directly also seems consistent with the characters and their situation.
Now that I’ve watched it, I’m looking forward to reading what everyone has posted about the final ep of the season and to reading your review!
Lola
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