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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 14:55:53 GMT -5
Nan, I second your linguistic exposure and add to it a book my YA students have been reading: "Angus, Thongs, and Full-Frontal Snogging" which has a complete glossary for clueless Americans of snogging, nudie pants, and shirty. Imagine "Bridget Jones Diary" for the barely adolescent.
Becky Henderson
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 14:57:17 GMT -5
Having two open 'Parts' is very confusing I think. I am posting here, not going back to 32 except to read. I have enough trouble keeping up as it is. I have now watched 'Chosen' in its entirety 3 times. Guess what? Still crying each time, but for different reasons. I've watched the Buffy/Angel sequence 6 times, the Buffy/Spike sequences in the basement about 7 times, Spike's death scene four times, the rest, 3 times. (Sue, enjoy the numbers!:} ) I LOVE the Buffy-Angel sequence. It seems just right, the characters interact as they 'should' to me. I think the scene with Angel is as much of a gift to Spike lovers as to Angel lovers. (As I've said, I love them both, just not equally...) Angel's reaction to Spike's soul is the second best laugh I get in the whole episode. When Angel says 'he's not your boyfriend?' Buffy says 'He is...in my HEART.' (I choose to hear that as meaning 'he's my boyfriend in my heart'. You feel free to hear it however you choose. This episode is all about choice, you know. I love the cocokie dough thing, and how uncomfortable Angel is with it. That was very Angel. I love Angel assuming HE is to wear the amulet, and Buffy instead giving it to Spike. (And I choose not to believe she did it cause Spike's expendable, she did it because Spike is her Champion.) Last week, Buffy told Spike 'maybe, when this is over...' and he stopped her and said 'Let's go be heroes.' This week, Buffy told Angel that maybe, years from now, and no promises...and Angel said 'I'm not getting any older.' Buffy is clearly half-baked. So half-baked. Let's see...why do I love the scenes in the basement with Spike? Because...they are perfect? Oh yeah, that's why. Spike pummeling the 'Angelface' he's pinning on the bag. (Notice the bringer eyes on the thing? Too funny.) 'He wears lifts' 'maybe there could be oil' Spike's tongue comment, and re-thinking 'you have Angelbreath' 'I don't know what I'd have done if you'd gone up those stairs' the look in their eyes and Buffy caressing Spike's cheek 'I'm drowning in footwear' (I'm now of the 'Spike dreaming of life with Buffy' point of view) the shot of Spike and Buffy facing each other in the basement, on the NEXT night...and I'm not so sure the clothes stayed on that night. That was a fill-the-blank-with-the-action-of-your-choice moment. Spike's death scene - ok, beautiful, heroic, redemptive, sacrificey, unconditional love, special effects, acting superb - Spike still dead, Patti still crying. Does Buffy NOT love him? Don't know about you others, but if I didn't love a guy, I wouldn't look into his eyes the way she did, and caress his cheek like that, and laugh with him and open up to him emtionally more than to any other person and choose to sleep in his arms the last 3 nights of my possible life, but that's just me... I think she loved him. Why did he not accept that statement of love? Was it a statement from Joss - so we know that Spike's sacrifce was unconditional? That his redemption was complete? If so, it is the first time I couldn't believe James Marsters...I have known what he was saying (I think) in every scene he's been in but this one - this puzzles me. Maybe it is outside my life experience and I can't relate. I just see Buffy slipping her hand in his hand, see their hands burning together and she smiles, like she knows something, but I don't know what she's thinking...and then she 'says it' and he's been gently pushing her to say it all season (well, twice, in 'First Date' and 'End of Days') but when she does, he doesn't believe her. Still not getting the need for that, EXCEPT... Spike is going to be alive next season, and Buffy may turn up, and they certainly can't be alive and in love because they would be together, and they clearly aren't going to be. I think this is the real reason Spike doesn't believe her. It is necessary that he doesn't. I am therefore disappointed in Joss in this aspect. I've believed him almost always. But this looks like a device to me. other stuff, clearly of secondary importance to me than the SPIKE story, but still important Willow has been lurking on the boards! She knows we hate the tongue stud! Too funny...Joss is so evil. He knew we'd hate it when it was put in the script. He did it to annoy. I loved it. I also loved Dawn's 'getting it' and everyone's rush to change the subject. Andrew's 'shout out' to his brother...and that whole list he didn't get to read. OH I loved that! I really liked the CGI show of Sunnydale falling into the earth and the bus racing away. That was coooool. I liked Buffy's racetop run to catch the bus. I loved the SITS for the first and only time ever. I hated seeing Amanda die. I liked her all along. I even didn't hate Kennedy. But I was manipulated into not hating her. I hate that. The Willow spell was shortchanged, just as everything dealing with the core Scoobies was. I didn't need 2 long scenes with Faith and Wood. I like Faith, didn't need her taking up so much time this episode. Didn't need Wood taking one second. Still don't like Wood, although it was fun seeing him deal with Faith's attitude at the school. Anya deserved to AT LEAST get pulled out of the school to die in Xander's arms. That was a little too real for me. And Xander joking about it was just WRONG. I don't think he would have. quip not needed there. What is this MALL fixation the group has developed? NEVER has shopping been what the Scoobies have been about. Why didn't they mourn the Bronze instead? That would have made sense. They could have quipped about no more 'roach killing' parties or something. That road scene was flat to me. I think Joss couldn't handle any more of his own emotion and pulled away at the end. No group HUG? My gosh....was Joss really showing us the actual dynamics in the group there? Michelle and James the only two who can stand Sarah anymore? I'm sure I've left out my FAVORITE part, or the part I really HATED and will have to say 'oh yeah, me too!' later when someone mentions it, but at least this is most of my major thoughts. Last - why am I still breaking into tears over this episode? Because we are going to be writing stories, and talking about what we think they'll do in the future, and loving the past but we'll never ever again know what's coming next. There is no 'coming next' for this group as a group. Unless they appear on Angel, this is probably all we will 'know' of our friends and it wasn't enough. It would never be enough.
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 14:58:22 GMT -5
I just got your e-mail about Old Blood, and responded - I didn't see this post earlier. Let me know if there's any more info you'd like, or if there's anything I can do! Great, great story, Nan.
Mary Statz
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 14:59:24 GMT -5
This is a puzzlement...I had already pre-ordered Season Two, and when I check my pending orders, it is still there, with a release date of August 20-something. But when I try to order it again, I do get the 'not yet released' message, and an offer to put me on the list for notification. Very strange. I believe I will email Amazon and ask them what's up with this. If I get an answer, I will post it.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:00:00 GMT -5
Michelle said: 'And wouldn't it have been great to see him bald if he had been in Star Trek: Nemesis!' Not sharing the 'baldness' excitement. Spike somehow got his motorcycle back, which he managed to drive to Africa, his coat back from the school, though he left it at Buffy's, he turned up with a new blue shirt and re-blonde hair while he was crazy in the basement, and he's somehow coming back from the dead. Again. I think blonde hair is not going to be a problem.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:00:28 GMT -5
Michelle, I think LA has many clothing stores, and I have already pictured Spike shopping for a new duster...on Angel's credit card.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:01:08 GMT -5
Betsy said: But he sure looks good enough to eat don't you all think? Oh yeah. And all sorts of cookie dough analogies just spring to mind...
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:02:03 GMT -5
I don't like it either. I'm posting here, and knowing I'm missing stuff there.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:02:54 GMT -5
Nan, I'm just wondering why this happened? Was there some kind of group decision to change the way we have been doing things? I left the board at 2am last night, and poof! Rule change, by 3 pm today...confusing.
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:03:59 GMT -5
David said: I could snog her like there was no tomorrow, and still have my soul in the morning. So deal with that, you poof!" David I love the whole thing. I just want one script revision. In Spike's last set of lines, can we insert one word? Like this... I could snog her AGAIN like there was no tomorrow, and still have my soul in the morning. So deal with that, you poof!"
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:04:57 GMT -5
Nope, just arbitrary me. We'd decided to have a new thread for the finale, and it seemed (to me) to make sense to keep it that way. So I started this new "general" thread this morning, to take up posts NOT about the finale. All my fault, my call. As I mentioned to David, who also doesn't like two open boards, this is what happens when one group has separate threads alive at the same time that they may post to. If many don't like it now, they won't like it any better when we go to the new board. Several people have said (if I'm recalling right) that they look forward to this available feature of the new board. It's something we might want to think about in light of present experience on whether that's in fact a feature we'd want to take advantage of or not. Again, if it's proving annoying, my apologies. I just thought sometime we might want to have the finale posts as a separate thread, all by itself. If bad, my bad. Nan
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:05:47 GMT -5
Nan, you take criticism extremely well. Me not so much, so I admire you for that as well as other stuff (minion here). I'm thinking when we get the new board, it will be a 'given' that we can start separate threads. Then people can go off and discuss hobbies or fanfic recs or favorite books easily. I'm thinking the major board(s) will still have random thoughts ocurring, that happens always unless we turn this into some kind of formal scholarly thing, which I'd hate. I mean, we could have a formal scholarly thread or threads as well, but I fell in love with this board for the free flowing exchange and friendly folk. And the Spike lovingness of them. But right now, we haven't been doing separation, and this was the finale, and people were talking about the finale both places. I finally put my own 'thoughts' post in both places so it wouldn't get ignored, because I hope someone will have something to add or agree or disagree with it. Even though as usual, I am half a day behind everyone else. Today I know why though. I slept half a day, in a fit of escape from the reality of the show ending.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:06:46 GMT -5
I whine, bitch,rant and grumble, but I never 'maunder'.
Rusty Goode
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:07:14 GMT -5
Rusty, I think you and I are the only kids on either thread, cool or otherwise!
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Post by Dalton on Apr 19, 2004 15:07:51 GMT -5
Well patti, I always consider you cool.
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