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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 14:02:14 GMT -5
The spot for any and all Torchwood talk.
Hey, UK S'cubies need love too, you know?
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Oct 25, 2006 14:07:06 GMT -5
The spot for any and all Torchwood talk. Hey, UK S'cubies need love too, you know? #wavey# er, Torchwood isn't Doctor Who. No more than Angel is Buffy, you know? /picky, sorry while I'm here beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/tag/torchwoodwhere I've been babbling about Torchwood since it was on BBC3 ETA: much later - I added more tags, so this episode is on beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/tag/torchwood+1-01others are listed under tag later entries are more likely to refer to later episodes too. |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Oct 25, 2006 14:08:22 GMT -5
The spot for any and all Torchwood talk. Hey, UK S'cubies need love too, you know? Radio Times reckon that 1.2 is on right after 1.1 does that discuss go here or in a seperate thread? |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 14:09:38 GMT -5
The spot for any and all Torchwood talk. Hey, UK S'cubies need love too, you know?  er, Torchwood isn't Doctor Who. No more than Angel is Buffy, you know? /picky, sorry while I'm here beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/tag/torchwoodwhere I've been babbling about Torchwood since it was on BBC3 Oh, I know. But since there's only been one episode, I didn't want to create a whole new category just yet. At the end of the first season, I think I will make a spot for it, especially if it's going to be shown in the US. Currently, there's only 5 possible discussion participants: You, me, Riff, Dev, and Cal. |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 14:10:22 GMT -5
The spot for any and all Torchwood talk. Hey, UK S'cubies need love too, you know? Radio Times reckon that 1.2 is on right after 1.1 does that discuss go here or in a seperate thread? Oh, thanks for the heads up. I'll create a new thread for ep 2. |
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Post by Riff on Oct 25, 2006 14:48:57 GMT -5
Oh, I know. But since there's only been one episode, I didn't want to create a whole new category just yet. At the end of the first season, I think I will make a spot for it, especially if it's going to be shown in the US. Currently, there's only 5 possible discussion participants: You, me, Riff, Dev, and Cal. Besides, all you have to do is move the letters around.  Actually, it's interesting. Jack talks about many events in the series. The spot outside the Millennium Fountain where people can't be seen is where the TARDIS stood in "Boom Town". Jack actually has the Doctor's severed hand from "The Christmas Invasion". So there are powerful connections, and yet they do feel like seperate universes. DW may have it's darkness, but it's generally optimistic... Torchwood feels bleaker to me than AtS ever did, except at points in Season 3 and 4, and the tail end of Season 5. So far, it's a zillion times darker than AtS Season 1. However, it is public knowledge that Jack will be in DW Season 3 (29). I wonder how that will work? |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 14:56:45 GMT -5
Reason #642 that British TV is not American TV:
I swear somebody just dropped the F-bomb.
I'm at the 10-minute mark and already fascinated. The poor dead guy, realizing that he'd been dead and there was nothing beyond...
Yup. Dark.
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Post by Riff on Oct 25, 2006 15:12:34 GMT -5
Reason #642 that British TV is not American TV: I swear somebody just dropped the F-bomb. I'm at the 10-minute mark and already fascinated. The poor dead guy, realizing that he'd been dead and there was nothing beyond... Yup. Dark. An experience of nothing. That experience in itself proves nothing, of course (unless one has a rather simplistic view of these matters), though I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Russell is saying. Or is it? He can be hard to pin down, and will seemingly go against his own beliefs for the sake of drama. Were we getting a bit of the writer's philosophy, or was it simply there as powerful drama? The important thing wasn't that the afterlife was "disproven"; it's that the poor murder victim believed that. Yes. That is very, very dark. Whatever, it's what Jack thinks about this that counts. He seemed disturbed, but hardly gave the impression his world view was shattered. Fascinating stuff, and promising for the future development of the character. |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 15:31:01 GMT -5
Reason #642 that British TV is not American TV: I swear somebody just dropped the F-bomb. I'm at the 10-minute mark and already fascinated. The poor dead guy, realizing that he'd been dead and there was nothing beyond... Yup. Dark. An experience of nothing. That experience in itself proves nothing, of course (unless one has a rather simplistic view of these matters), though I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Russell is saying. Or is it? He can be hard to pin down, and will seemingly go against his own beliefs for the sake of drama. Were we getting a bit of the writer's philosophy, or was it simply there as powerful drama? The important thing wasn't that the afterlife was "disproven"; it's that the poor murder victim believed that. Yes. That is very, very dark. Whatever, it's what Jack thinks about this that counts. He seemed disturbed, but hardly gave the impression his world view was shattered. Fascinating stuff, and promising for the future development of the character. Ah, you're making my nascent tv scholarness come to the fore. It's funny how many religious themes worked their way into AtS, BtVS, and Firefly, when Joss is an avowed atheist; an argument could be made that it served the stories, so personal philosophy be damned. It wouldn't be a long journey to infer that RTD would do the same...and this definitely makes Torchwood distinct from Doctor Who. (Which is vital if it is to survive on its own.) And given Jack's a) adaptability and b) connection with "the Lonely God" as the cat-nun referred to the Doctor, he knows that there is some kind of life somewhere...and I would suppose that's as far as it goes at this point. OK, back to the episode. |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Oct 25, 2006 15:37:22 GMT -5
Reason #642 that British TV is not American TV: I swear somebody just dropped the F-bomb. I'm at the 10-minute mark and already fascinated. The poor dead guy, realizing that he'd been dead and there was nothing beyond... Yup. Dark. if this surprises you... *settles in fascinated to see your reactions to later parts* They had them say Fuck early on to make sure the parental units got the idea this was Not For Kids, is what I've been reading. |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 15:58:03 GMT -5
Reason #642 that British TV is not American TV: I swear somebody just dropped the F-bomb. I'm at the 10-minute mark and already fascinated. The poor dead guy, realizing that he'd been dead and there was nothing beyond... Yup. Dark. if this surprises you... *settles in fascinated to see your reactions to later parts* They had them say Fuck early on to make sure the parental units got the idea this was Not For Kids, is what I've been reading. OK, nearing the end... Sweet Jesus, I LOVE British television! Honestly, I don't know if you're aware of the kind of insane dealings happened behind the scenes on Buffy just to get the Willow/Tara kiss in "The Body" past the censors. Whereas here there is a show in which not only is the hero bisexual (which, I can't emphasize enough, would NEVER happen on American TV), but there is a general tone of the casual acceptance of nonheterosexual behavior. (Just saw the bar scene with Dr. Owen (?) and the couple he's taking home.) My mind is blown. |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 15:59:18 GMT -5
Oh, and nice power shot of Captain Jack above the city; do you think this is a deliberate shout-out to Angel? (Or Batman, which I believe is the origin of the "Angel above the city" shot.)
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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 16:16:54 GMT -5
Whoa.
Shot in the head; I actually gasped...so Bad Wolf saved Captain Jack. Unaware of the side effects, perhaps? Or was that the intention all along? Now we have two who can regenerate, after a fashion. Maybe Jack is the ultimate companion, seeing as he can't be killed either.
This is excellent, really. Dark, yes; but I really liked how the character of Suzie underscored the point of being too insulated and how that warps your sense of reality.
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Post by Shan on Oct 25, 2006 21:30:23 GMT -5
I LOVE LOVE LOVED this but kind of random, not in any particular order of importance, thoughts:
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I don't think it's all that dark. I don't know why, it just doesn't feel bleak and hopless or...whatever. There are a lot of things to look forward to, IMO, and the characters seem to present that. Jack is quite taken with Gwen. Perhaps for the same reason I am: she's intensely curious, intelligent, gutsy and connected. And Gwen herself is the antithesis of dark, gloomy, etc. She's thoughtful. Thoughtful is different from dark and doesn't necessarily lead to it.
We have all the Jack backstory to look forward to. Gwen will start digging for it, this we know.
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As I watched the scene, I was surprised that Jack even thought to ask the re-vivified corpse about the "beyond". Then, getting the rapid-fire bits and pieces of the story of the glove, I actually became not only disappointed in him that he'd asked, but disappointed in him that he'd wasted time asking.
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Erin, I get what you mean about the different approach to sexuality that UK television takes compared to the US (yes, I know Joss was packing up his desk and getting ready to leave over the Willow/Tara scene in "The Body" when the phone rang and the execs said they'd leave it in). My own personal take (separated from cultural references because most of the time I live under a rock) is....what...A couple of kissing scenes? What's the big deal? <snipped>
I was more disturbed by Jack taking a bullet to the forehead and then Susie committing suicide than anything to do with sex.
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Cardiff sure has changed in the past 20 years... I don't recognize ANYTHING.
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Being interrupted repeatedly plays hell with trying to pay attention to what's going on.
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Who ARE all you people?
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Post by Shan on Oct 25, 2006 21:32:40 GMT -5
Oh, and nice power shot of Captain Jack above the city; do you think this is a deliberate shout-out to Angel? (Or Batman, which I believe is the origin of the "Angel above the city" shot.) DLM had ALL of them up there. Okay, DLM could have been a shout-out to Angel as well, but...there are lots of above the city shots. I think they're about isolation, myself. |
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