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Post by Queen E on Oct 25, 2006 14:12:31 GMT -5
Torchwood is neither a torch nor a wood. Discuss.
Or, you know, discuss the episode instead.
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Oct 25, 2006 14:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by Riff on Oct 25, 2006 14:39:07 GMT -5
Torchwood is neither a torch nor a wood. Discuss. yet still it is hot like burning That's certainly true for this ep! I wonder if the BBC will come to regret having Torchwood mentioned in the last Christmas special and the entire last season of DW? *laughs* It's practically certain that kids will see it sooner or later. The sex alien thing isn't terribly original (though the idea that it wanted sex with humans as a kind of drug was interesting). Oddly, the sex angle was hardly dealt with on a thematic level. No, this ep is really about the "new girl". It also introduces us to more of Jack's character and motivation. I'm sure we can all guess who that hand once belonged to. |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Oct 25, 2006 15:35:57 GMT -5
yet still it is hot like burning That's certainly true for this ep! I wonder if the BBC will come to regret having Torchwood mentioned in the last Christmas special and the entire last season of DW? *laughs* It's practically certain that kids will see it sooner or later. The sex alien thing isn't terribly original (though the idea that it wanted sex with humans as a kind of drug was interesting). Oddly, the sex angle was hardly dealt with on a thematic level. No, this ep is really about the "new girl". It also introduces us to more of Jack's character and motivation. I'm sure we can all guess who that hand once belonged to. Well it said in the Radio Times so yes. |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 26, 2006 15:33:51 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic.
To answer Riff, I think that the sex thematic was less about sex and more about the more general themes of "connection" and "consumption." Gwen is connecting with the group at Torchwood; will her life turn to dust because of it?
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Post by Onjel wahhhhh on Oct 26, 2006 21:24:59 GMT -5
I wanna watch Torchwood! Wahhhhhhhhhhh!   You guys sound like you are having such fun! Soldier on. ;D |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Oct 27, 2006 12:19:21 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic. To answer Riff, I think that the sex thematic was less about sex and more about the more general themes of "connection" and "consumption." Gwen is connecting with the group at Torchwood; will her life turn to dust because of it? huh. smart. |
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Post by Shan on Oct 27, 2006 17:52:50 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic. To answer Riff, I think that the sex thematic was less about sex and more about the more general themes of "connection" and "consumption." Gwen is connecting with the group at Torchwood; will her life turn to dust because of it? That's interesting. I saw the sex-alien as an addicted creature that didn't care what happened to anyone else as long as it got the "hit" it was after. The other two on the crew - I forget their names, because I forget names - were also headed in that direction. The woman with the glove didn't care about killing at the time she was killing, so long as she could get her "hit" from the glove. The doctor dude got his "hit" with the alien super-pheremone and didn't care that he was having sex with people under false pretenses. Murder and murder and rape (imo) for the hit. Alien or human, addiction = bad. That's what I got from it anyway. In addition to the introduction of the group dynamic. That was a good connection there. <edit> I think Jack wants to add Gwen to the crew to (among other things) keep himself from becoming obsessed with only the "hit" of nabbing the alien. He knows he needs the connection Gwen brings. |
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Post by Queen E on Oct 27, 2006 21:38:37 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic. To answer Riff, I think that the sex thematic was less about sex and more about the more general themes of "connection" and "consumption." Gwen is connecting with the group at Torchwood; will her life turn to dust because of it? That's interesting. I saw the sex-alien as an addicted creature that didn't care what happened to anyone else as long as it got the "hit" it was after. The other two on the crew - I forget their names, because I forget names - were also headed in that direction. The woman with the glove didn't care about killing at the time she was killing, so long as she could get her "hit" from the glove. The doctor dude got his "hit" with the alien super-pheremone and didn't care that he was having sex with people under false pretenses. Murder and murder and rape (imo) for the hit. Alien or human, addiction = bad. That's what I got from it anyway. In addition to the introduction of the group dynamic. That was a good connection there. <edit> I think Jack wants to add Gwen to the crew to (among other things) keep himself from becoming obsessed with only the "hit" of nabbing the alien. He knows he needs the connection Gwen brings. Aw! Thanks for that. The thing about the alien, though, is that once it is sharing a consciousness with a human host, it really changes the whole dynamic. The alien might not have cared, but she did. And the "connection" was getting weaker and weaker; which, you're right, is the addiction metaphor to a tee...the first hit is free, and nothing feels as good as the first hit. I don't know, there was kind of a mix of different things going on here, I think. What did you think about her being saved by Jack's kiss? |
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Post by Shan on Oct 28, 2006 8:43:12 GMT -5
That's interesting. I saw the sex-alien as an addicted creature that didn't care what happened to anyone else as long as it got the "hit" it was after. The other two on the crew - I forget their names, because I forget names - were also headed in that direction. The woman with the glove didn't care about killing at the time she was killing, so long as she could get her "hit" from the glove. The doctor dude got his "hit" with the alien super-pheremone and didn't care that he was having sex with people under false pretenses. Murder and murder and rape (imo) for the hit. Alien or human, addiction = bad. That's what I got from it anyway. In addition to the introduction of the group dynamic. That was a good connection there. <edit> I think Jack wants to add Gwen to the crew to (among other things) keep himself from becoming obsessed with only the "hit" of nabbing the alien. He knows he needs the connection Gwen brings. Aw! Thanks for that. The thing about the alien, though, is that once it is sharing a consciousness with a human host, it really changes the whole dynamic. The alien might not have cared, but she did. And the "connection" was getting weaker and weaker; which, you're right, is the addiction metaphor to a tee...the first hit is free, and nothing feels as good as the first hit. I don't know, there was kind of a mix of different things going on here, I think. What did you think about her being saved by Jack's kiss? Addicts ARE conflicted, though. The original person is still in there, like with Carys. It's just that the addiction becomes the stronger driving force than the conscience, maybe not for EVERY single decision but enough times for it to get to the point where it not only destroys the people around the addict but eventually the addicts themselves. That's what happened to the woman with the glove. That's what was happening to Carys. Her body was failing. Which leads to the kiss...They just did it to trick the alien out of Carys before she died, making it think it was going into Gwen so that Jack could have sex with Gwen/alien and give it the biggest!high!ever. The addict was hoist on its own petard, as it were. |
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Post by Shan on Oct 28, 2006 8:44:13 GMT -5
What's up with the alien saying "It has to be a man", though?
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Post by Queen E on Oct 28, 2006 10:59:29 GMT -5
What's up with the alien saying "It has to be a man", though? I don't know...there could be something particular with men's response to stimulus that the alien needed. I don't think (although it's only the second episode, so I can't say for certain) that they are trying to say that no other kind of sex is as good or anything. Also, it's a good way to, you know, not kill Gwen. |
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Post by Onjel on Nov 5, 2006 2:47:26 GMT -5
Well, the first thing that came to mind was that comment of Spike's about "Mr. and Mrs. Big Pile of Dust". Why it had to be a man? Easy. I think. The process of climaxing while in the midst of coitus fills the alien with the orgasmic energy, in addition to absorbing the energy expended by the male from the rest of his body. Trying not to be too graphic here. What was interesting is that the alien didn't recognize Gwen as female until it saw her cleavage. You'd think it would have figured it out from the full body press. |
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2006 20:29:11 GMT -5
yet still it is hot like burning That's certainly true for this ep! I wonder if the BBC will come to regret having Torchwood mentioned in the last Christmas special and the entire last season of DW? *laughs* It's practically certain that kids will see it sooner or later. The sex alien thing isn't terribly original (though the idea that it wanted sex with humans as a kind of drug was interesting). Oddly, the sex angle was hardly dealt with on a thematic level. No, this ep is really about the "new girl". It also introduces us to more of Jack's character and motivation. I'm sure we can all guess who that hand once belonged to. *whew* We're not in Kansas, anymore, Toto.  One thing that struck me was that they mentioned again that there had been no one named Jack Harkness in America for 50 years. Did the original being that is now Captain Jack take over that human's body? I loved his reaction after Gwen kissed him - and that just after he was talking about how the alien came all that way for the climax energy, and still died alone.  Ep 3 next! |
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2006 20:34:13 GMT -5
Interesting! And again I find the comparisons to Angel; just like in "Lonely Hearts" we have an alien that feeds on sexual energy. And, similarly again, we are learning about how the 5 of them function as a group. If episode 1 is always the individual introduction to characters, episode 2 functions as an introduction to the group dynamic. To answer Riff, I think that the sex thematic was less about sex and more about the more general themes of "connection" and "consumption." Gwen is connecting with the group at Torchwood; will her life turn to dust because of it? Cool! I thought of the demon in Angel, too! Good point about them showing us how they function as a group. Funny how Owen assumes Jack is gay, Toshiko and Gwen see him as straight and Ianto doesn't seem to care. |
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You guys sound like you are having such fun! Soldier on. ;D
