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Post by Rachael on Nov 17, 2005 23:29:44 GMT -5
Hee! A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 17, 2005 23:40:01 GMT -5
I don't know about you all, but if Nadia's really gonna be cured, I'm gonna forgive Sloane nearly anything he does to keep her that way.
It'll be unfortunate if it's, say, a chronic condition that requires monthly injections to keep her sane. And yet still I'll probably forgive. I mean, what would you do?
Yup. He's gonna have to sell his soul for Nadia's mind. Fair trade. His soul wasn't worth all that much anyway.
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Post by Sara on Nov 18, 2005 9:08:59 GMT -5
YES!! Sark is back, they're putting the show back after Lost... life is good. ;D Sark is a bad guy, right? A cute, bad guy. Yay for the return of Lost/Alias!! Yes, he's a cute bad guy. With a British accent. I'll be in my bunk...
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Post by Sara on Nov 18, 2005 9:14:40 GMT -5
I don't know about you all, but if Nadia's really gonna be cured, I'm gonna forgive Sloane nearly anything he does to keep her that way. It'll be unfortunate if it's, say, a chronic condition that requires monthly injections to keep her sane. And yet still I'll probably forgive. I mean, what would you do? Yup. He's gonna have to sell his soul for Nadia's mind. Fair trade. His soul wasn't worth all that much anyway. Right now, I tend to agree. However, when the time comes that he has to trade an innocent life for Nadia's... then I might have to reassess how far I'm willing to extend my ability to forgive. And there's also the question of how Nadia herself would feel--if she'd been asked whether she'd want her dad to save her at the expense of stopping an organization that we know has already hurt a lot of innocent people (like the people who died when Dean blew up the office), I suspect she'd want him to serve the greater good first. Especially since you have to presume that if the Twelve have discovered a way to help Nadia, someone else eventually could too.
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Post by Sara on Nov 18, 2005 9:24:10 GMT -5
<snip for space> What would she feel guilty about? She didn't betray him: he betrayed himself.... she just didn't really follow up on the security more than he expected... <snip> I'm wondering if any guilt she'd feel would be due to what happened out on that oil rig in last week's episode. 'Cause I think a strong argument could be made that she intentionally failed to secure the item from Rachel--after all, Petyon coolly shot every guard she came across, yet when she had the drop on Rachel and could have put a bullet through her skull before Rachel even knew she was there Peyton opted to threaten her? And lost in hand-to-hand combat against a woman who wasn't nearly as well-trained a fighter as she herself was? Unlikely, to say the least. But if you consider the hit in confidence Dean took after that mission failed... then suddenly it looks like Peyton did indeed succeed in her what she set out to do.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 18, 2005 9:52:50 GMT -5
I don't know about you all, but if Nadia's really gonna be cured, I'm gonna forgive Sloane nearly anything he does to keep her that way. It'll be unfortunate if it's, say, a chronic condition that requires monthly injections to keep her sane. And yet still I'll probably forgive. I mean, what would you do? Yup. He's gonna have to sell his soul for Nadia's mind. Fair trade. His soul wasn't worth all that much anyway. Right now, I tend to agree. However, when the time comes that he has to trade an innocent life for Nadia's... then I might have to reassess how far I'm willing to extend my ability to forgive. And there's also the question of how Nadia herself would feel--if she'd been asked whether she'd want her dad to save her at the expense of stopping an organization that we know has already hurt a lot of innocent people (like the people who died when Dean blew up the office), I suspect she'd want him to serve the greater good first. Especially since you have to presume that if the Twelve have discovered a way to help Nadia, someone else eventually could too. And see, I'm sitting here wondering just how many innocent lives I might sacrifice if it would save my daughter's life. It would depend, for me, if it was a one-shot cure, or it seemed they could keep making me do it, forever. If it's a treatment that repeats...well, you draw blood and look for the new thing in it.
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Post by Sara on Nov 18, 2005 10:27:58 GMT -5
Right now, I tend to agree. However, when the time comes that he has to trade an innocent life for Nadia's... then I might have to reassess how far I'm willing to extend my ability to forgive. And there's also the question of how Nadia herself would feel--if she'd been asked whether she'd want her dad to save her at the expense of stopping an organization that we know has already hurt a lot of innocent people (like the people who died when Dean blew up the office), I suspect she'd want him to serve the greater good first. Especially since you have to presume that if the Twelve have discovered a way to help Nadia, someone else eventually could too. And see, I'm sitting here wondering just how many innocent lives I might sacrifice if it would save my daughter's life. It would depend, for me, if it was a one-shot cure, or it seemed they could keep making me do it, forever. If it's a treatment that repeats...well, you draw blood and look for the new thing in it. Oh yeah--if I were in Sloane's place, I have absolutely no idea what I would or wouldn't be willing to do to save the life of my child. But I also don't know if, somewhere in the back of my mind, I would also have to ask myself: is this what my child would want me to do? How is she going to feel when she wakes up and learns that she's alive because an innocent person (or persons) died? Would she even want to live if that was the cost? In Nadia's case, for over a year she watched her father struggle to overcome his past and remake his present. Hell, she watched him remake himself. And now he's essentially sacrificing that new self and once again walking a path he'd promised Nadia he'd never take again, all to save her. But would she really want that for him? I dunno. Debating the question of what Nadia would really want is pretty easy from an intellectual standpoint; as I said, if I were actually in Sloane's position I don't know if I'd even consider Nadia's feelings in my drive to save my child.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 18, 2005 11:01:12 GMT -5
And see, I'm sitting here wondering just how many innocent lives I might sacrifice if it would save my daughter's life. It would depend, for me, if it was a one-shot cure, or it seemed they could keep making me do it, forever. If it's a treatment that repeats...well, you draw blood and look for the new thing in it. Oh yeah--if I were in Sloane's place, I have absolutely no idea what I would or wouldn't be willing to do to save the life of my child. But I also don't know if, somewhere in the back of my mind, I would also have to ask myself: is this what my child would want me to do? How is she going to feel when she wakes up and learns that she's alive because an innocent person (or persons) died? Would she even want to live if that was the cost? In Nadia's case, for over a year she watched her father struggle to overcome his past and remake his present. Hell, she watched him remake himself. And now he's essentially sacrificing that new self and once again walking a path he'd promised Nadia he'd never take again, all to save her. But would she really want that for him? I dunno. Debating the question of what Nadia would really want is pretty easy from an intellectual standpoint; as I said, if I were actually in Sloane's position I don't know if I'd even consider Nadia's feelings in my drive to save my child. I know I wouldn't. My mind says, "Yeah, you might never talk to me again if I do this. But at least you'll be alive to make that choice." 'Cause, like it or not, morality is different when applied to the people you love and/or share genes with than it is when applied to strangers. For many people, anyway.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2005 9:28:10 GMT -5
Interesting factoid about Rachel's callsign, Oracle. Besides the obvious parallel, what with Rachel being a woman who revealed a truth to others, Oracle is also the current code name of former Batgirl Barbara Gordon in the comics. And Oracle's specialty is getting computers to do everything but stand up and dance the tarantella. Given that Rachel has a geekish background, I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was that Oracle she had in mind when choosing her own code name. Neat. Thanks for the interesting fact. Funnily enough I actually watched Batman Begins this weekend while watching the Alias episode too. Life is so funky that way sometimes. (Oh and I loved Batman begins. It was as good as everyone said - except for Katie Holmes who was too one-dimentional in the role. )
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2005 9:28:52 GMT -5
Loved the shovel and hit him again. Loved it!
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2005 9:36:56 GMT -5
AWESOME!!! LSD!? Oh, that is so great... "facilitate the process" oh, heh.. "I see you've done this before" HEEEEEE!! That's old Floyd, isn't it? The LSD and Marshall scenes were fabulous!
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2005 9:40:27 GMT -5
YES!! Sark is back, they're putting the show back after Lost... life is good. ;D Yeah - Sark! I like the switching to after Lost too easier to tape.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 25, 2005 14:54:07 GMT -5
<snip for space> What would she feel guilty about? She didn't betray him: he betrayed himself.... she just didn't really follow up on the security more than he expected... <snip> I'm wondering if any guilt she'd feel would be due to what happened out on that oil rig in last week's episode. 'Cause I think a strong argument could be made that she intentionally failed to secure the item from Rachel--after all, Petyon coolly shot every guard she came across, yet when she had the drop on Rachel and could have put a bullet through her skull before Rachel even knew she was there Peyton opted to threaten her? And lost in hand-to-hand combat against a woman who wasn't nearly as well-trained a fighter as she herself was? Unlikely, to say the least. But if you consider the hit in confidence Dean took after that mission failed... then suddenly it looks like Peyton did indeed succeed in her what she set out to do. VERY good point. Leaving her alive also served the purpose of revealing to APO that they had a mole of some sort in their midst, which would potentially cut off Dean's access to information.
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