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Post by Riff on Mar 18, 2006 3:45:22 GMT -5
And of course he has to run thru the swirling blade thingees. ;D Find the Zen Time Lord within, Doctor! Awwww. Jade went up in flames. And some of the other guests. Of course it's really silly that everything is fixed by just pulling a lever after running thru fan blades.Oh my heavens! "Moisturize me" is really how she goes! You know, Doctor Who has always been like that. Extremely silly science. But it's never the point, so I never really care. As, for example, Rose should be toast at least three times over, 'cause...well, it'd be more than hot enough to kill her pretty much the second that shield started to come down. But, on another front...boy, that was a bit dark for the Doctor, eh? I mean, he just let the last human die, right in front of his eyes. Meanwhile, there was gonna be amnesty for the plastic consciousness thingy, which had also murdered innocent sentients.... Oh, as for the Doctor being dark, I think that had a lot to do with emphasising the ep's theme of death: that it is inevitable and has it's right time, that we try to hold it back, that sometimes it comes earlier than it should.
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Post by Riff on Mar 18, 2006 3:54:35 GMT -5
The eps you just saw are two of the weakest in the Season. If you liked them, you have some great television coming your way.
There are some other questionable stories, but from now on most are good, and, I promise, by the end of the finale you'll be hooked.
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Post by Cal on Mar 18, 2006 7:19:30 GMT -5
The eps you just saw are two of the weakest in the Season. If you liked them, you have some great television coming your way. There are some other questionable stories, but from now on most are good, and, I promise, by the end of the finale you'll be hooked. Most definitely hooked. Especially when... and the Doctor did... Yes, definitely hooked. ;D Have you any idea when the next series starts over here yet, Riff? I can't wait.
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Post by Karen on Mar 18, 2006 9:54:40 GMT -5
Ooooh! Scary plastic people! **trying very hard to remember my old Dr Who memories** Are these plastic people villians that previous Doctors faced? **can't remember, gives up trying to remember** I knew the arm would be dangerous! ;D They're called Autons. The Third Doctor encountered them and the Nestene Consciousness twice. In fact, they were the first baddies he faced. Gotta love the continuity. From IMDB: In the first episode, "Rose", the Doctor faces and defeats the Nestenes and their animated plastic Autons for the third time - Jon Pertwee's Doctor encountered them twice in the original "Doctor Who" (1963) series in the early 1970s. Also, there were three fan-produced "Auton" spin-off video releases in the 1990s, Auton (1997) (V), Auton 2: Sentinel (1998) (V) and Auton 3 (1999)
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Post by Rachael on Mar 18, 2006 11:19:36 GMT -5
Ooooh! Scary plastic people! **trying very hard to remember my old Dr Who memories** Are these plastic people villians that previous Doctors faced? **can't remember, gives up trying to remember** I knew the arm would be dangerous! ;D They're called Autons. The Third Doctor encountered them and the Nestene Consciousness twice. In fact, they were the first baddies he faced. I remember the Nestenes. And also, now that you use the term in writing, the Autons. But...those were not the Autons I remember. And how are you this morning, Doctor?
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Post by Rachael on Mar 18, 2006 11:23:50 GMT -5
I was kinda hoping for some indication of the fact that (from a human perspective), "The Doctor" has been multiple men, all existing simultanously, as well. I mean, at least eight lives, all time travelers, all obsessed with fixing human problems - damn Doctor's been in multiple places at once, in various incarnations, probably, many times. It would be interesting to see how they'd handle one of those stories in which the Doctor's various selves meet up. It'd be quite a crowd, now. I've always been amazed that he can resist doing it more often. I mean, wouldn't you be really curious about your future selves? And with that ego, and the Doctor's (mostly) lack of worry about contaminating future timelines, it'd seem even more likely. ;D I've always enjoyed how they just don't DEAL with things like paradoxes and multiple selves existing all at the same time, and how you could (if you really wanted) keep going back to a place where something really bad happened until you fixed it. There are rules, obviously, but they have to do with "good story" and nothing to do with "rational science".
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Post by Rachael on Mar 18, 2006 11:33:25 GMT -5
You know, Doctor Who has always been like that. Extremely silly science. But it's never the point, so I never really care. As, for example, Rose should be toast at least three times over, 'cause...well, it'd be more than hot enough to kill her pretty much the second that shield started to come down. But, on another front...boy, that was a bit dark for the Doctor, eh? I mean, he just let the last human die, right in front of his eyes. Meanwhile, there was gonna be amnesty for the plastic consciousness thingy, which had also murdered innocent sentients.... Oh, as for the Doctor being dark, I think that had a lot to do with emphasising the ep's theme of death: that it is inevitable and has it's right time, that we try to hold it back, that sometimes it comes earlier than it should. Sure...but I was also thinking in terms of characterization, in addition to thematic and plot reasons. This Doctor is already showing signs of being more...ethically liberal?...than some of his predecessors. There's precedent for it, in the old series - some Doctors were more likely to let their emotions guide their ethical choices than others. And I was thinking that having your entire planet destroyed before its time might make you a bit darker, more prone to, say, vengefulness. Speaking of which...I cannot say how much I HATED where that was going. I was mostly spoiled for the end of Gallifrey going in, and the Sci Fi Channel ads didn't help. "He's the last of his kind." But...NNNNOOOOOO! There's a level of sadness in that, that I just can't cope with. I detest "last of his kind" stories. There's nothing more lonely. Which is why I keep blocking it out.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 18, 2006 11:35:40 GMT -5
The eps you just saw are two of the weakest in the Season. If you liked them, you have some great television coming your way. There are some other questionable stories, but from now on most are good, and, I promise, by the end of the finale you'll be hooked. Oh, hooked already. Those were classic Doctor Who, at least in feel. If the "feel" had been wrong, I'd never have been able to fall back into the story so easily. In fact, I felt that the feel of the television movie was wrong...enough so that I don't remember it, except to remember that I didn't like it. There's this gap in my knowledge. Actually, I don't know how the seventh Doctor finished, either. We never got those eps on my PBS channel here. Meh.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 21, 2006 10:57:32 GMT -5
Seems like silly fun.
The actor who plays The Doctor seems to be having a lot of fun with his role.
Telepathic field is a good explanation for why everybody understands English.
These bugs were in Minority Report.
So these were the weakest episodes? I can live with that ;D
Is this show more story-arcing or stand-alone episodes. Cause I can see myself getting really into it if everything ties together, but only watching it in passing if it's just stand-alones.
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Post by Riff on Mar 21, 2006 11:17:44 GMT -5
The eps you just saw are two of the weakest in the Season. If you liked them, you have some great television coming your way. There are some other questionable stories, but from now on most are good, and, I promise, by the end of the finale you'll be hooked. Most definitely hooked. Especially when... and the Doctor did... Yes, definitely hooked. ;D Have you any idea when the next series starts over here yet, Riff? I can't wait. I think Season Two starts on Saturday the 15th May.
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Post by Riff on Mar 21, 2006 11:18:59 GMT -5
They're called Autons. The Third Doctor encountered them and the Nestene Consciousness twice. In fact, they were the first baddies he faced. I remember the Nestenes. And also, now that you use the term in writing, the Autons. But...those were not the Autons I remember. And how are you this morning, Doctor? *wide-eyed innocence*
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Post by Riff on Mar 21, 2006 11:25:52 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see how they'd handle one of those stories in which the Doctor's various selves meet up. It'd be quite a crowd, now. I've always been amazed that he can resist doing it more often. I mean, wouldn't you be really curious about your future selves? And with that ego, and the Doctor's (mostly) lack of worry about contaminating future timelines, it'd seem even more likely. ;D I've always enjoyed how they just don't DEAL with things like paradoxes and multiple selves existing all at the same time, and how you could (if you really wanted) keep going back to a place where something really bad happened until you fixed it. There are rules, obviously, but they have to do with "good story" and nothing to do with "rational science". Oh, absolutely. It was established during the First Doctor's tenure that history cannot be altered, because the time traveller has always been part of it. This later became known as the Blinovitch Limitation Effect. If you don't mind me being fan-boyish for a second, the Eye of Harmony was constructed by the Time Lords to prevent multiple time streams/realities. With them and the Eye now gone, time becomes chaotic and in flux (and the Doctor requires another power source for the TARDIS).
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Post by Riff on Mar 21, 2006 11:35:13 GMT -5
Oh, as for the Doctor being dark, I think that had a lot to do with emphasising the ep's theme of death: that it is inevitable and has it's right time, that we try to hold it back, that sometimes it comes earlier than it should. Sure...but I was also thinking in terms of characterization, in addition to thematic and plot reasons. This Doctor is already showing signs of being more...ethically liberal?...than some of his predecessors. There's precedent for it, in the old series - some Doctors were more likely to let their emotions guide their ethical choices than others. And I was thinking that having your entire planet destroyed before its time might make you a bit darker, more prone to, say, vengefulness. Speaking of which...I cannot say how much I HATED where that was going. I was mostly spoiled for the end of Gallifrey going in, and the Sci Fi Channel ads didn't help. "He's the last of his kind." But...NNNNOOOOOO! There's a level of sadness in that, that I just can't cope with. I detest "last of his kind" stories. There's nothing more lonely. Which is why I keep blocking it out. As you say, there are precedents. Something that particularly comes to mind in the Sixth Doctor killing in cold blood (though he was never the most stable chap). I imagine it's now no secret that the Ninth Doctor is seriously traumatised. Some of his remarks in "Rose" suggest he has just regenerated, and I don't think it's too outrageous to suggest that the War is what brought this about and that this is a traumatised incarnation. Quite, but I'm afraid it's worse than that. All of this may be dealt with in more detail in a few episodes.
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Post by Riff on Mar 21, 2006 11:46:29 GMT -5
The eps you just saw are two of the weakest in the Season. If you liked them, you have some great television coming your way. There are some other questionable stories, but from now on most are good, and, I promise, by the end of the finale you'll be hooked. Oh, hooked already. Those were classic Doctor Who, at least in feel. If the "feel" had been wrong, I'd never have been able to fall back into the story so easily. In fact, I felt that the feel of the television movie was wrong...enough so that I don't remember it, except to remember that I didn't like it. There's this gap in my knowledge. Actually, I don't know how the seventh Doctor finished, either. We never got those eps on my PBS channel here. Meh. The biggest shame about the television movie is that Paul McGann is excellent as the Doctor. However, he lives on in the Big Finish audio plays (along with Peter Davidson, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy, and assorted companions), and in some cases has fine scripts to work with. I suspect that the Eighth Doctor came to an end during the War the Ninth Doctor spoke of. The Seventh Doctor "died" on the operating table in the television movie, having been shot. Understandably, surgeons were unprepared for the two hearts and binary vascular system. ;D
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Post by Riff on Mar 21, 2006 11:54:52 GMT -5
Seems like silly fun. The actor who plays The Doctor seems to be having a lot of fun with his role. Telepathic field is a good explanation for why everybody understands English. These bugs were in Minority Report. So these were the weakest episodes? I can live with that ;D Is this show more story-arcing or stand-alone episodes. Cause I can see myself getting really into it if everything ties together, but only watching it in passing if it's just stand-alones. The answer is that they're both. In fact, all the episodes tie together, but you may not notice how at first - it's quite surreptitious. Everything is leading to the finale. *laughs* It may seem like silly fun now, but wait a few episodes. This series can go from infantile farce to grim meditations on mortality and selfhood in the blink of an eye. It is fun, but there are some chilling moments that speak of death, existentialism, and entropy (in the poetic sense, Rachael ).
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