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Post by Lola m on May 15, 2006 10:51:23 GMT -5
**nods** Me too!! Very eerie moment, eh? *smiles* I liked it, and viewers voted it the best moment in BBC drama last year. I'm not surprised.
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Post by Lola m on May 15, 2006 10:55:22 GMT -5
It's interesting watching the two episodes through a second time. The first episode is still creepy, but in a different way. I really like episodes that are interesting the first time when you don't know what happens, and the second time through when you do. The second time, one's sympathies (or at least mine) were more with the Gas Mask Kid rather than Nancy. Rather than the creepiness coming from some kind of unstoppable zombie, it comes from fears of shame of acknowledging one's offspring. Interesting. I got that the Zombie kid was targeting Nancy specifically by the end of the first episode, but I totally didn't put it together that she was actually Jamies mom, not his sister. I got a motherly vibe, but I was thinking more "surrogate mother," mostly because the actors didn't look far enough apart in age to possibly be mother and son. There were several shots of the Doctor in the first part where you could see the wheels turning in his head as he was figuring it out, but of course, I missed all those the first time through. **nods** I love rewatching episodes (heck, whole seasons) again, watching for those moments. Momentas that are now more "aha!", moments that have double or alternate meanings now that I know what's to come, etc.
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Post by Matthew on May 15, 2006 10:55:32 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhh - it's the nanogenes . . . . run amok . . . . Well, that's just fairly ooksome. Eeeeeeep! Here they all come! The nanogenes are getting them ready to fight. Jamie. Oh my . . . is she his mummy? Yes, yes she is. That's why he's saying "are you my mummy" . . . So, basically, the solution is to answer him? Ah ha! Ah ha!!! Find the mother and figure out how people are supposed to be to be fixed! And Jack swoops in to grab the bomb.
Just lovely, that was. A perfectly marvelous ep!! What bomb was that? Ah, you mean the one with the words SCHLECHTER WOLF printed on it? Oh, fer... Thanks, Riff. I was wondering where this ep's ref was...
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Post by Lola m on May 15, 2006 10:56:00 GMT -5
"Just this once, EVERYONE lives!" I loved this episode. And The Doctor happy - really happy, not just mocking - adorable. Plus, with the dancing...oh. my. goddess. **joins you in the love**
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Post by Lola m on May 15, 2006 10:56:59 GMT -5
What bomb was that? Ah, you mean the one with the words SCHLECHTER WOLF printed on it? Oh, fer... Thanks, Riff. I was wondering where this ep's ref was... I missed it too. I was too busy laughing over the movie reference and being scared for Jack.
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Post by Riff on May 15, 2006 11:01:27 GMT -5
It's interesting watching the two episodes through a second time. The first episode is still creepy, but in a different way. I really like episodes that are interesting the first time when you don't know what happens, and the second time through when you do. The second time, one's sympathies (or at least mine) were more with the Gas Mask Kid rather than Nancy. Rather than the creepiness coming from some kind of unstoppable zombie, it comes from fears of shame of acknowledging one's offspring. Interesting. I got that the Zombie kid was targeting Nancy specifically by the end of the first episode, but I totally didn't put it together that she was actually Jamies mom, not his sister. I got a motherly vibe, but I was thinking more "surrogate mother," mostly because the actors didn't look far enough apart in age to possibly be mother and son. There were several shots of the Doctor in the first part where you could see the wheels turning in his head as he was figuring it out, but of course, I missed all those the first time through. I think my sympathies are with both of them, because they're both victims of an unpleasantly judgemental society, one that was judgemental toward women especially. Even today, things are far from perfect. It's saddening to think of the number of RL tragedies of this sort that there must have been (and, presumably, are still going on in the world's more sexist cultures).
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Post by Riff on May 15, 2006 11:04:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry too much. For some reason, the nanogenes didn't reverse the genetic damage of the aging process. You can't fix something if you don't know what it started out as. Once something is mutated, it's mutated.... I may well be completely wrong, but since they were able to rebuild everyone based on Nancy's DNA, and since they began by restoring a child, I would have thought that the template (which they were able to apply universally) would tell them how to reverse all damage.
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Post by Riff on May 15, 2006 11:04:59 GMT -5
I knew this was going to start. ;D How could it not? I mean, you know us . . . *sigh* True.
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Post by Riff on May 15, 2006 11:08:26 GMT -5
*smiles* I liked it, and viewers voted it the best moment in BBC drama last year. I'm not surprised. *smiles* Another poll also voted for a DW moment, a different one. But that one hasn't been on the SciFi Channel yet.
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Post by Riff on May 15, 2006 11:10:15 GMT -5
What bomb was that? Ah, you mean the one with the words SCHLECHTER WOLF printed on it? Oh, fer... Thanks, Riff. I was wondering where this ep's ref was... You're welcome. I'm just trying to be a better person. ;D
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Post by Riff on May 15, 2006 11:11:43 GMT -5
Oh, fer... Thanks, Riff. I was wondering where this ep's ref was... I missed it too. I was too busy laughing over the movie reference and being scared for Jack. Scared for him? Already? ;D I don't think you'll miss next week's reference.
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Post by Rachael on May 15, 2006 11:47:41 GMT -5
You can't fix something if you don't know what it started out as. Once something is mutated, it's mutated.... I may well be completely wrong, but since they were able to rebuild everyone based on Nancy's DNA, and since they began by restoring a child, I would have thought that the template (which they were able to apply universally) would tell them how to reverse all damage. Now, see, we don't wanna go into the actual genetic science of the ep, which - I just don't wanna go there and get all "it doesn't WORK that way"! I cut them slack with Nancy, because she was the mother, and you could rebuild the dead child at least halfway by using Mom's DNA. If you were GOOD, and presumably the nanogenes are. And you could have a good idea what a "normal" human genome would look like, too. Nonetheless, each person is different in large part due to thousands of genetic differences, tiny ones, from person to person. That they couldn't replicate accurately, without a template to start from. Each person provides a mostly unchanged personal template, which would tell you what their eyes and legs and whatnot should look like. But stuff that results from accumulated genetic damage would probably be unfixable, since you'd have no good template to work from.
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Post by Riff on May 15, 2006 12:45:06 GMT -5
I may well be completely wrong, but since they were able to rebuild everyone based on Nancy's DNA, and since they began by restoring a child, I would have thought that the template (which they were able to apply universally) would tell them how to reverse all damage. Now, see, we don't wanna go into the actual genetic science of the ep, which - I just don't wanna go there and get all "it doesn't WORK that way"! I cut them slack with Nancy, because she was the mother, and you could rebuild the dead child at least halfway by using Mom's DNA. If you were GOOD, and presumably the nanogenes are. And you could have a good idea what a "normal" human genome would look like, too. Nonetheless, each person is different in large part due to thousands of genetic differences, tiny ones, from person to person. That they couldn't replicate accurately, without a template to start from. Each person provides a mostly unchanged personal template, which would tell you what their eyes and legs and whatnot should look like. But stuff that results from accumulated genetic damage would probably be unfixable, since you'd have no good template to work from. All that would be true, except that the nanogenes are magic. *laughs* I'll bow to your knowledge and make a resolution not to take soft sf too seriously when it comes to the science.
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